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Jun 29, 2014 09:47:18   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
A very simple question. Just suppose that one party sometime in the near future has total control of the future of America...lock, stock and barrel. Do you think that the far-left would censor all right-wing news on all venues of the media including past, present and future? Also. do you think that if the shoe was on the other foot, would the far-right react in the same way? Lemme hear some 'useful i***t' response to this.

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Jun 29, 2014 09:52:12   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
cesspool jones wrote:
A very simple question. Just suppose that one party sometime in the near future has total control of the future of America...lock, stock and barrel. Do you think that the far-left would censor all right-wing news on all venues of the media including past, present and future? Also. do you think that if the shoe was on the other foot, would the far-right react in the same way? Lemme hear some 'useful i***t' response to this.



1984 is an accurate description of what the left would do, and is doing. 1984 light is what the right would do in the same circumstances. At this point in time, neither side is interested in what is good for the country. The only difference is that the left wants to redo American tomorrow and the right is interested in gradual creep, less obvious and would take longer, but the ultimate goal is about the same.

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Jun 29, 2014 10:02:23   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
no propaganda please wrote:
1984 is an accurate description of what the left would do, and is doing. 1984 light is what the right would do in the same circumstances. At this point in time, neither side is interested in what is good for the country. The only difference is that the left wants to redo American tomorrow and the right is interested in gradual creep, less obvious and would take longer, but the ultimate goal is about the same.


i hear ya on the left's dissatisfaction with this country's history (why?) but your view on the right's future actions has me wondering.

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Jun 29, 2014 10:08:22   #
LAwrence
 
cesspool jones wrote:
A very simple question. Just suppose that one party sometime in the near future has total control of the future of America...lock, stock and barrel. Do you think that the far-left would censor all right-wing news on all venues of the media including past, present and future? Also. do you think that if the shoe was on the other foot, would the far-right react in the same way? Lemme hear some 'useful i***t' response to this.


Doesn't make any difference. Both parties are completely corrupted. Two sides of the same coin.

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Jun 29, 2014 10:15:09   #
petertimber
 
Cesspool I daresay the only way we could have a government is to adhere to the basic tenets of the Constitution as they were written ( so stated by SCJUS Scalia). This means a government where even congressman cannot remain more than 2 terms in their Senatorial or Representative capacities. A government equal to the powerful individual States that formed the Union and where the US Government is responsible for foreign affairs, Interstate trade,Postal services, defense/w State M*****as component to assure States rights. Immigration for the benefit of the USA and its people. Space and international treaties. After that its the States who rule as they wish and we would have a State assurance of individual freedom and rule or else people will just move on to another more congenial state. One more important thing is that any Supreme Court Decision affecting the USA as a nation would have to enjoy the approval of 2/3 of the states thus any decision made by the Supreme Court cannot be intimidated for a specific decision.

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Jun 29, 2014 10:36:49   #
autocthon Loc: Batcave
 
no propaganda please wrote:
1984 is an accurate description of what the left would do, and is doing. 1984 light is what the right would do in the same circumstances. At this point in time, neither side is interested in what is good for the country. The only difference is that the left wants to redo American tomorrow and the right is interested in gradual creep, less obvious and would take longer, but the ultimate goal is about the same.


While I agree with much of what you say I disagree with other parts. You cast the Republican tent over everyone right of center. If this were true then there would be no reason for a Tea party or RINO's. Within the shade of this tent you then ascribe the same goals: mainly a slower version of the march to the left. I think you are VERY wrong in doing this. Most of us conservatives don't want to slow it down, we want to reverse it. Since all governments are flawed (as are all human systems), I would much rather make my own mistakes and decisions than have someone else make them for me.

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Jun 29, 2014 11:18:57   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
autocthon wrote:
While I agree with much of what you say I disagree with other parts. You cast the Republican tent over everyone right of center. If this were true then there would be no reason for a Tea party or RINO's. Within the shade of this tent you then ascribe the same goals: mainly a slower version of the march to the left. I think you are VERY wrong in doing this. Most of us conservatives don't want to slow it down, we want to reverse it. Since all governments are flawed (as are all human systems), I would much rather make my own mistakes and decisions than have someone else make them for me.
While I agree with much of what you say I disagree... (show quote)


Definitely the Tea party is doing a better job of trying to keep the country going in the direction it should be going, abiding by the Constitution, but, unfortunately they are not making as much headway as they should. Until they can put their arguments together better, it will be hard for them to have the influence they should have. The RINOs are my main concern. The "progressives" are collectivists and they are doing the most damage, but the middle right are far too willing to bend over and accept the lefts claims and actions.
I, too would like to make my own decisions regarding my own life.

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Jun 29, 2014 14:09:41   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
petertimber wrote:
Cesspool I daresay the only way we could have a government is to adhere to the basic tenets of the Constitution as they were written ( so stated by SCJUS Scalia). This means a government where even congressman cannot remain more than 2 terms in their Senatorial or Representative capacities. A government equal to the powerful individual States that formed the Union and where the US Government is responsible for foreign affairs, Interstate trade,Postal services, defense/w State M*****as component to assure States rights. Immigration for the benefit of the USA and its people. Space and international treaties. After that its the States who rule as they wish and we would have a State assurance of individual freedom and rule or else people will just move on to another more congenial state. One more important thing is that any Supreme Court Decision affecting the USA as a nation would have to enjoy the approval of 2/3 of the states thus any decision made by the Supreme Court cannot be intimidated for a specific decision.
Cesspool I daresay the only way we could have a go... (show quote)


2/3 of the states approval for supreme court rulings is about the most brilliant thing i've ever heard on OPP. nice work!!!

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Jun 29, 2014 14:50:40   #
dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)
 
petertimber wrote:
Cesspool I daresay the only way we could have a government is to adhere to the basic tenets of the Constitution as they were written ( so stated by SCJUS Scalia). This means a government where even congressman cannot remain more than 2 terms in their Senatorial or Representative capacities. A government equal to the powerful individual States that formed the Union and where the US Government is responsible for foreign affairs, Interstate trade,Postal services, defense/w State M*****as component to assure States rights. Immigration for the benefit of the USA and its people. Space and international treaties. After that its the States who rule as they wish and we would have a State assurance of individual freedom and rule or else people will just move on to another more congenial state. One more important thing is that any Supreme Court Decision affecting the USA as a nation would have to enjoy the approval of 2/3 of the states thus any decision made by the Supreme Court cannot be intimidated for a specific decision.
Cesspool I daresay the only way we could have a go... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :-D :-D

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Jun 29, 2014 21:47:33   #
autocthon Loc: Batcave
 
petertimber wrote:
Cesspool I daresay the only way we could have a government is to adhere to the basic tenets of the Constitution as they were written ( so stated by SCJUS Scalia). This means a government where even congressman cannot remain more than 2 terms in their Senatorial or Representative capacities. A government equal to the powerful individual States that formed the Union and where the US Government is responsible for foreign affairs, Interstate trade,Postal services, defense/w State M*****as component to assure States rights. Immigration for the benefit of the USA and its people. Space and international treaties. After that its the States who rule as they wish and we would have a State assurance of individual freedom and rule or else people will just move on to another more congenial state. One more important thing is that any Supreme Court Decision affecting the USA as a nation would have to enjoy the approval of 2/3 of the states thus any decision made by the Supreme Court cannot be intimidated for a specific decision.
Cesspool I daresay the only way we could have a go... (show quote)


I think I understand what you are trying to say and it sounds good to me. But how can you intimidate a decision?

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Jun 29, 2014 22:29:52   #
petertimber
 
A phone call the night before.

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Jun 30, 2014 09:29:56   #
autocthon Loc: Batcave
 
petertimber wrote:
A phone call the night before.


What I was getting at was that a decision is an intangible thing. You may intimidate the decision makers but not the decision. Kinda like saying you're intimidating religion.

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Jun 30, 2014 15:31:32   #
petertimber
 
Its understood what was meant.......and I cannot believe your that out of it?

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Jun 30, 2014 20:57:50   #
autocthon Loc: Batcave
 
petertimber wrote:
Its understood what was meant.......and I cannot believe your that out of it?


Sorry, I was trying to gently educate you on the English language so you could make your points more coherently and not come across as a product of the current educational system. By the way, it's you're, not "your", and it's it's, not "its". And no, I'm not trying to put you down, I'm trying to help you come across as intelligent as you are.

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Jul 1, 2014 02:45:09   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
cesspool jones wrote:
A very simple question. Just suppose that one party sometime in the near future has total control of the future of America...lock, stock and barrel. Do you think that the far-left would censor all right-wing news on all venues of the media including past, present and future? Also. do you think that if the shoe was on the other foot, would the far-right react in the same way? Lemme hear some 'useful i***t' response to this.


I'll do my best! :lol: We're already a one party system disguised as two parties. It's called the 'Establishment', and it includes most of the House and Senate, Democrats and Republicans. They are part of the Oligarchy, bedfellows of the moneyed elite and they are widening the gap between the super-rich and the rest of us at an alarming rate.

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