Lonewolf

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

I would like to call your attention to the following quote from the article you cite:

"According to a CDC estimate, there were more than 60 million swine flu cases reported in the U.S. between April 2009 — when the disease was first detected in California — and April 2010, with more than 12,000 people dying."

Do you not think that it is a bit premature for the media to be going absolutely "bat s**t crazy" on C****-** when we really do not have a real good handle on the lethality of this disease?

According to WIKIPEDIA - "As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 v***s, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.[117] [118]"

How many deaths to date have occured in the US from C****-**? How did the media react to President Obama's handling of the Swine Flu epidemic in which 12,000 people died?

Do you not see an inconsistency in how the media is treating each of these epidemics?

While this may prove to be a very deadly disease, it is still too early to make the assumption that the "sky is falling", and civilization as we know it is about to end.

Mark my words, within the next several weeks there will be plenty of testing kits available for testing of anyone who is sick.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

And Obama never called a travel ban. He also didn't even call it a national emergency until 1,0000 Americans were dead. I really don't blame him for those deaths. It's the flu. S**t happens.

Lonewolf

Lonewolf

According to the latest CDC worse case model from 200,000 to 1.7 million Americans might die!

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

You mean the CDC that botched the rollout of c****av***s diagnostic tests throughout the country in the first place.

"On February 5 the CDC began to send out c****av***s test kits, but many of the kits were soon found to have faulty negative controls (what shows up when c****av***s is absent), caused by contaminated reagents. This was probably a side effect of a rushed job to put the kits together. Labs with failed negative controls had to ship their samples to the CDC itself for testing."

"According to Duane Newton, the director of clinical microbiology at the University of Michigan, the biggest limitation in diagnostics is not the technology, but rather the regulatory approval process for new tests and platforms. While this process is critical for ensuring safety and efficacy, the necessary delays often “hamper the willingness and ability of manufacturers and laboratories to invest resources into developing and implementing new tests,” he says.

Case in point: FDA rules initially prevented state and commercial labs from developing their own c****av***s diagnostic tests, even if they could develop c****av***s PCR primers on their own. So when the only available test suddenly turned out to be bunk, no one could actually say what primer sets worked.

The CDC and FDA reversed course and lifted this rule on February 29, and commercial and academic labs are now allowed to participate.

So maybe if the CDC and FDA didn't screw up the process of obtaining proper testing kits, and more people were tested, we would see the mortality rate go down, similar to S. Korea, since they are only testing the most severe cases in the US and getting a bogus estimate.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Just to be clear.....


The Trump Administration actually had the FDA issue a ruling that the US would not use any tests for C****-** developed outside the US. There has been a WHO-approved test available for 7 weeks but the Trump administration’s position prevented that test from being used. Thus, we have a backlog—tons of people who need tests and not enough tests to administer. For instance, Germany tests more people PER DAY then the US has tested in total.

Here is the proof that it was a Trump policy on the tests, not an Obama one. AP FACT CHECK: Trump's mislaid blame on Obama for v***s test

Lonewolf

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

Technically you are correct, but let's look a bit deeper.

"Under a 2004 federal law, the FDA has wide power to authorize drugs, tests, and other therapies during emergencies. That means no legal authority was hindering the Trump administration when it earlier decided to limit testing to public health labs using the CDC test.

"All they did was reverse a policy that they themselves set," said Dr. Joshua Sharfstein, an FDA official during the Obama administration who is now a vice dean at Johns Hopkins-Bloomberg School of Public Health."

Now having said that, "Trump and Pence appeared to be referring, in part, to draft FDA guidance circulated during the Obama administration in 2014 that called for tighter regulation of so-called laboratory-developed tests, a market traditionally not overseen by the agency. That nonbinding guidance cited a need for accurate and reliable tests to help consumers make better health care decisions. But that guidance, which did not pertain to public health emergencies such as the c****av***s, never went into effect."

Which now calls into question, should tests developed outside this country have been employed, how accurate were they, and would reliance on those tests have given accurate or inaccurate data, for both individuals and government policy makers to rely upon.

"The accuracy of the current C****-** tests is not precisely known. Reasonable estimates, based on test performance in China and the performance of the influenza tests, are that the tests will correctly identify around 60 percent of the patients with the disease and correctly identify 90 percent of the patients that are disease-free." https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2020/03/the-accuracy-of-c****-**-tests.html

Perhaps once the accuracy of the new tests are determined, we will know if this was a correct decision on the part of the Trump administration.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Might. You might be one of em. Some crap can't be controlled. I believe I can wait it out, but if I can't it's not in my hands. Kick back, relax and thank the Lord for the blessings you do have.

Lonewolf

That's exactly what I'm doing , I have friends that think this is a joke and will go away I hope there right but I'm doing what they did 100 years ago isolate as much as posibul.
Good luck

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Ok, an explanation.. but does not appease me much, we still have SK doing more checks per day then we have done in total . to date..