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Apr 9, 2020 15:04:45   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
If that's so, how come we didn't recognize the evil we were commiting, like supporting F*****t dictators in the name of "Anti-C*******m," meddling in the internal affairs of other countries, supposedly to protect "National Security," but actually to protect Corporate interests, starting unnecessary wars and/or getting involved in other countries' wars (South America, Vietnam, the Middle East, etc), allowing the FBI and the CIA to harass and spy on people, whether legally or illegally, tolerating r****m and segregation (just like our ancestors tolerated s***ery), telling children to respect authority figures, while behind the scenes, many of them were commiting immoral acts (crooked cops, dishonest judges, p*******e priests, etc), admiring phonies, frauds, and hypocrites (J. Edgar Hoover, Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, the two President Bushes, etc), ignoring domestic abuse (wife-beating, child neglect) because it was a "family matter" that was "none of our business," wasting money on unnecessary military weapons just to benefit the Military-Industrial Complex, instead of spending the money for better and more peaceful purposes, ignoring environmental pollution until it's too late, and so on and so on?

Explain that, if you can!
If that's so, how come we didn't recognize the evi... (show quote)



This is the Rumi that we all love! Explains why you are a pacifist! I read on another thread that one of your other alter egos were bragging about fighting for their “brothers!” I just don’t understand why you do that!
Others will eventually realize that it is you, they always do!

Good Luck!

Rumi, Boy, Daredevil, And very probably, PixieJulie!

All have declared to be “not liberal” “non partisan”! The exact words of their master........and liberal to their core! Much more evidence to be revealed!
😉.

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Apr 9, 2020 15:33:27   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
For your information, Khrushchev never made that statement about "small doses of Socialism." Some right-wing fanatic invented this quotation, which is actually a combination of two phony speeches: one where Khrushchev supposedly said that America would not accept C*******m outright, "but we can feed them small doses of Socialism, until they find out they have C*******m," and a plan allegedly written by Lenin just before his death in 1924 in which he was supposed to have said that the C*******ts would first take over Europe, and then Asia and Africa, then the Americas, and finally, "we shall surround the United States, that last bastion of capitalism, and we will not have to fight. It will fall like an overripe fruit into our hands." But, neither Lenin nor Khrushchev ever uttered any of these words.

I suggest you consult the book "They Never Said It," by John George and Paul F. Boller, Jr., (Copyright 1989), which list the two false quotes attributed to Khrushchev (which both use the "small doses of Socialism" line), as well as Lenin's "Overripe Fruit" quote, plus 25 other phony and misleading utterances credited to him.

After hearing about the phony Khrushchev quote, U.S. Senator Lee Metcalf said that those who dreamed up such bogus speeches and yet continued to repeat them while knowing that they were frauds "are cut from the same cloth as C*******ts and F*****ts."

But wait, there's more (like they say in some commercials)! The book also reveals that Khrushchev also never said that "American liberals are too liberal (or "too soft") to fight," Gus Hall, the head of the American C*******t Party for years, never made that bloodcurdling speech about how he dreamed of "the hour when the last minister is strangled to death with the guts of the last Congressman" (which he supposedly delivered at the 1961 funeral of fellow C*******t Eugene Dennis, which was covered by several newspapers, including the New York Times, which mentioned no such speech), that Dmitry Manislusky (I think that's how his last name is spelled) never spoke about how the "Reds" will smash the capitalist nations "with our clenched fist" (he allegedly said this at the "Lenin School Of Political Warfare in Moscow," an institution that, in reality, never existed), that labor leader Walter Reuther never wrote a letter praising the Soviet labor movement, or attacking capitalism, or ending up with "Carry on the fight for a Soviet America" (there were at least three versions of this phony letter, and all three of them were inserted into the Congressional Record by anti-labor Congressmen), that President Franklin Delano Roosevelt never told Congressman Martin Dies, the head of the House Un-American Activities Committee, that "Some of the best friends I've got are C*******ts" (despite what John Stormer's Anti-C*******t book "None Dare Call It Treason" would have us believe), and so on.

This is all part of a peculiar habit of the far-right: the way they exaggerate the threat of C*******m by, among other things, inventing false statements which they attribute to C*******t leaders, not to mention equally phony quotes supposedly said by Non-C*******ts for the purpose of labeling them as "Reds" or "Red" sympathizers, creating "C****e plots" where they don't exist (like for example, claiming that the Civil Rights movement was C*******t-inspired), or even fabricating non-existent C*******t threats to our "National Security" in other countries in order to justify o*******wing harmless foreign governments that threatened the interests of U.S.-owned businesses. That's what the C.I.A. did when they ousted the Prime Minister of Iran in 1953, and replaced him with the tyrannical Shah (King) to protect the oil interests that were owned by the United States and the United Kingdom, when they o*******w Guatamala's liberal president, Jacobo Arbenz Guzman, and put in a military dictatorship to safeguard the interests of the United Fruit Company in 1954, when they forced out Chile's Democratic-Socialist president, Salvador Allende (who later committed suicide) in 1973, and put into power the military dictator, General Augusto Pinochet, for the benefit of several American corporations stationed there. They not only put these tyrants in power, but helped them to oppress the people by teaching their armies and their Secret Police forces how to torture and murder their enemies. I suspect the C.I.A. learned all this from the N**i officials they helped to escape justice through "Operation Paperclip," because the United States Government felt it was "in our interest" to do so, because now the Russians were our enemies instead of the Germans (never mind the fact that the Soviet Union was one of our most important Allies during World War Two, which did more to slow down the N**i drive across Europe than all the other Allied nations put together).

Then, there was the C.I.A.'s penchant for commiting terrorist acts in Southeast Asia and blaming them on the C*******ts, thus justifying further U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. As if that wasn't bad enough, the agency even had a plan ("Operation Northwoods" it was called) to commit similar acts of terror in the United States itself, thus k*****g or wounding innocent American citizens, and then frame equally innocent Cubans for the crimes, in order to make it appear that Fidel Castro, Cuba's C*******t Premier, had ordered and masterminded the attacks himself (the agency probably learned that from those Operation Paperclip N**is, because they sometimes tried to frame the Reds for crimes the N**is themselves committed, like the burning of the Reichstag building in Berlin in 1933). This would have given the U.S. Government a reason (or excuse, depending on your point of view) to invade Cuba and oust Castro. However, President John F. Kennedy vetoed the idea, because he felt it was wrong, and because he suspected that the real reason for certain people to want to get rid of Castro was because he had nationalized American business interests and had closed down hotels, brothels, and gambling casinos owned by American businessmen and by the Mafia, who also used to smuggle dope out of Cuba, a racket that was also stopped by Castro. This is why the mob conspired with the C.I.A. to k**l Castro, and not because he was a threat to the United States.

This is also why Kennedy wanted to abolish the C.I.A., because he saw that it was using Anti-C*******m as a racket.

It's no wonder that so many people believe that the agency was involved in the assassination of the President in 1963 in Dallas, Texas (a hotbed of right-wing extremism), and that they framed Lee Harvey Oswald for the crime because he was a C*******t!

Again, the far-right was using Anti-C*******m as a racket, or as an excuse to get rid of people they didn't like or were a menace to their personal interests, especially profitable interests. Again, this was a N**i tactic (the N**is h**ed C*******m too, as did the Ku Klux Klan, considered by many to be "America's N**is"). It sort of makes one wonder whether the so-called "Cold War" was not so much about saving the world from C*******m, as it was about using the "Red Menace" as part of a plot to establish a F*****t Police State in America, and/or to make the American people so afraid, not just of the "C****es," but of anything that was the slightest bit to the left (like American liberals and Democrats, for instance), that they would willingly accept a N**i-like regime just so they'll feel "safe." (This is basically what happened in Chile in 1973, when agents provocateur of the C.I.A., Chile's extreme right, and even Cuban exiles, used psychological warfare, including the manipulation of the country's economic problems to make things even worse and thus blame it all on President Allende, to make Chile ripe for a F*****t military c**p; of course, many of Chile's citizens came to regret supporting the c**p when they realized what a despot General Pinochet was).

So, it's no surprise that you're now trying to make it appear that the goals of the C*******t Party U.S.A. are similar to that of the Democratic Party. It's all the same tactic used by the paranoid right in Iran, Guatemala, Chile, Vietnam, Cuba, etc, and by the N**is in Germany (not to mention the F*****ts in Italy): discredit all Democrats and liberals by linking them to C*******m, or at least, to Socialism. It's also no surprise that the same far-right fanatics support Donald Trump, who has practically made war on the United States Constitution and is basically leading us to F*****m. And the worst part is that too many Americans (who are supposed to believe in freedom) are letting Trump get away with it because he supposedly "improved the economy."

So what? Hitler improved Germany's economy too!
For your information, Khrushchev never made that s... (show quote)
Ideological subversion: KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov's warning to America.

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Apr 9, 2020 16:06:23   #
Boy from the Bronx
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Boy From the Bronx,|you write so many falsehoods, I don't know where to begin.
Let's quote Ezra Taft Benson (Eisenhower's Secretary of Agriculture) on his personal interview of Nikita Khruschev:

You Will Fall Like Over Ripe Fruit into our Hands (speech of Ezra Taff Benson)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNyI78XneQU

LDS Church History
a chronological tour through LDS history. Current topic: Ezra Taft Benson
Ezra Taft Benson, Tue J** 6, 1959

"-- mid-September 1959
[Benson] reluctantly played host to Nikita S. Khrushchev during a portion of the larger-than-life Russian leader's mid-September 1959 trip to the United States. 'I must say,' Benson later wrote, not mincing his words, 'my enthusiasm for the project could have been put in a small thimble. By my lights, Khrushchev was, and is, an evil man. He has about as much conception of moral right and wrong as a jungle animal.' ('I still feel it was a mistake,' he added some twenty years later, 'to invite this godless despot as a state visitor. To this day I get an uneasy feeling when I think of that experience.')

"Finding himself returning to Washington in the same car as the Khrushchevs, Reed, who felt convinced that the encounter was 'not coincidental,' told the guests that 'long after c*******m has faded away the Church of Jesus Christ would stand triumphant.' Thereafter, according to his father, for "over 45 minutes Reed kindly but firmly spelled out the basic tenets of Mormonism as first one and then another asked questions and sometimes tried to rebut him." "It was good to have a c*******t captive audience that couldn't walk out on me," Reed later quipped. 'The car was going too fast for that.' "Knowing full well that c*******ts are violators of the moral law," his father predicted, 'yet it is my faith that in the Lord's due time He will find a way to break down this murderous conspiracy and bring the t***h and liberty to those Russians who are honest in heart.

"Benson provided an additional account of his meeting with Khrushchev that included details absent from his published memoirs and details not found in any contemporary newspaper account of the event:

"As we talked face-to-face, he [Khrushchev] indicated that my grandchildren would live under c*******m. After assuring him that I expected to do all in my power to assure that his and all other grandchildren will live under freedom, he arrogantly declared in substance: "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept c*******m outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have c*******m. We'll so weaken your economy until you'll fall like overripe fruit into our hands."

"Benson repeated this sensationalized version of the incident— as Mr. Khrushchev said to me face-to-to-face . . . —nearly thirteen years later. Benson,

"Dew includes the episode of Benson's comments to Khrushchev in her biography of Benson, Gibbsons does not.

"In earlier speeches, Benson took note of the same ideas but attributed them as follows:

"'Khrushchev said this to an American television audience,' 'Khrushchev is reported to have said," and "Khrushchev tells us [i.e., Americans generally] to our face . . .'

"In fact, a month before Benson's meeting with Khrushchev, U.S. Vice-President Richard M. Nixon had re ported publicly on his own recent encounter: 'Mr. Khrushchev predicted that our grandchildren in the U.S. would live under C*******m, and he reiterated this to me in our talks.'

"The next year at the Republican National Convention, Nixon added: 'When Mr. Khrushchev says that our grandchildren will live under c*******m, let us say his grandchildren will live in freedom.' (3)

Endnotes:
1 - McKay, David O., Office Journal
2 - Wikipedia, Chronology of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (LDS Church), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_Quorum_of_the_Twelve_Apostles_(LDS_Church)
3 - Gary James Bergera, 'Weak-Kneed Republicans and Socialist Democrats': Ezra Taft Benson as U.S. Secretary of Agriculture, 1953-61, Part 2, Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, (Winter 2008, vol 41)

LDS History Chronology: Ezra Taft Benson

Mormon History Timeline: the life of Ezra Taft Benson
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/

Perhaps we could interview President Obama's former DCI John Brennan about Gus Hall's c*******t political platform.
Boy From the Bronx,|you write so many falsehoods, ... (show quote)


If Khrushchev made this statement about "small doses of Socialism," why does John George and Paul F. Boller, Jr.'s book "They Never Said It" (Oxford University Press, 1989) say that he didn't say it. Why did Senator Lee Metcalf say, after discovering the dubiousness of the Khrushchev quote, that those who make up phony statements such as this and yet continue to repeat them knowing that they are false "are cut from the same cloth as C*******ts and F*****ts"?

We have only Ezra Taft Benson's word that Khrushchev actually made this inflammatory statement. That makes Benson's accusation little more than hearsay testimony, which we all know is notoriously unreliable, which is why it's inadmissible as evidence in a court of law.

How do we know Mr. Benson wasn't lying, that he didn't just make up this quote out of thin air? In 1969, he wrote a book called "An Enemy Hath Done This," in which he referred to a statement supposedly made by one of the C*******t leaders (I forget which leader it was or what it was he allegedly said; I haven't seen the book in several years, on account of I lost it when our house was foreclosed on). Unfortunately, this quotation turned out to be bogus, which means that Benson was either misinformed or he was lying. If he could lie about a phony quote in his book, couldn't he also lie about Khrushchev ranting about "small doses of Socialism"?

This wouldn't be the first time somebody put words into the mouth of a C*******t that, in reality, he didn't utter. "They Never Said It," as I've pointed out before, lists 25 false or misleading utterances credited to Vladimir Lenin (including his "Overripe Fruit" quote, which Khrushchev was allegedly expanding on in his supposed "Small Doses Of Socialism" quip). It also contains Gus Hall's equally dubious eulogy at the funeral of fellow C*******t Eugene Dennis in 1961, during which Hall was supposed to have said "I dream of the hour when the last preacher is strangled to death with the guts of the last Congressman," (none of the newspapers that covered the funeral mentioned any such speech made by either Hall or anyone else), as well as Dmitry Manislusky's"Clenched Fist" statement, which he was supposed to have made at the "Lenin School Of Political Warfare in Moscow" (which didn't exist), and Laventy Beria's alleged suggestion that the Soviets use psychiatry to weaken the minds of those they wish to conquer, or to corrupt the minds of teenagers as a means of making them more vulnerable to oppression.

Furthermore, I personally don't trust anything the Mormons say or do. Some of them still practice polygamy, you know, even though it's illegal.

As for Richard Nixon saying that Khrushchev personally told him that "your grandchildren will live under C*******m," I wouldn't trust anything he did or said either. Don't forget, we're talking about Nixon, who was as much a political gangster as his friend, Senator Joseph McCarthy. We're speaking of the man known as "Tricky Dickie," whose entire political career was built on lies, deceit, and "dirty tricks," who, like Senator McCarthy, often used smear tactics to make his enemies and critics look like "Reds" or "t*****rs," (like, for example, during his campaign for Governor of California in 1962, when he tried to discredit his opponent, the incumbent Governor Eugene "Pat" Brown, by taking photos of him out of context to make Brown look like a C*******t sympathizer; fortunately, Brown's supporters found out about the ruse and exposed it in a TV commercial; Nixon lost), who eventually won the presidency in 1968 through the use of the "Southern Strategy," whereby he and his campaigners appealed to the prejudices of mainly white Southerners through subtle code words (like saying he'll appoint "strict constitutionalists" to the Supreme Court, meaning judges who would rule against Civil Rights laws on the grounds of "States' Rights"), and who, in the end, was named as an "unindicted co-conspirator" in the Watergate scandal, thus forcing him to become the first U.S. President to resign his post.

In other words, how do we know that Nixon's story about Khrushchev telling him that his grandchildren will "live under C*******m" isn't just another one of Nixon's lies?

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Apr 9, 2020 16:34:32   #
Boy from the Bronx
 
TexaCan wrote:
This is the Rumi that we all love! Explains why you are a pacifist! I read on another thread that one of your other alter egos were bragging about fighting for their “brothers!” I just don’t understand why you do that!
Others will eventually realize that it is you, they always do!

Good Luck!

Rumi, Boy, Daredevil, And very probably, PixieJulie!

All have declared to be “not liberal” “non partisan”! The exact words of their master........and liberal to their core! Much more evidence to be revealed!
😉.
This is the Rumi that we all love! Explains why y... (show quote)


You obviously have me confused with someone else. I am none of these people you refer to; I am neither "Rumi," nor "Daredevil," nor "Pixie Julie." I am just plain "Boy From The Bronx," that's all.

What's more, I have never written anything on this thread about "fighting for my brothers," wh**ever that means.

In any case, you didn't answer my question: how can you say that people years ago could always "recognize evil," when they couldn't recognize the evil they were commiting, tolerating, or ignoring,(r****m, warmongering, domestic abuse, crimes committed by "authority figures," pollution, etc)?

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Apr 10, 2020 13:50:41   #
Abel
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
Where's your proof that the l*****ts have taken over the schools from pre-K to graduate school? How do we know you're not just another paranoid right-winger who sees "Red plots" everywhere?


Just open your eyes sonny.

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Apr 10, 2020 14:04:48   #
Abel
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
That crack about President Obama's "shovel ready jobs" reminds me of how critics of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt ridiculed his New Deal program, including his "Alphabet Agencies" like the Work Progress Administration (W.P.A.), which they mockingly referred to as "the shovel brigade." Sound familiar?

Incidentally, I don't see what any of this has to do with the C****av***s or its effects on the Stock Market.


There was nothing wrong with the WPA programs. If we would re-initiate them we would be getting some of the infrastructure in the USA repaired while providing jobs for people who now sit on their asses and draw welfare.

As far as the stock market, it is more nervous than a whore in church. C***d19 was just a trick to allow the stock market players to sell off stocks in order to drive the market down so they can re-buy what they sold when the price is down, which is one of the ways they make their money. The stock market is just a game the wealthy play to fleece money from people who don't know how to play their game; kinda like playing poker.

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Apr 10, 2020 16:02:00   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Abel wrote:
There was nothing wrong with the WPA programs. If we would re-initiate them we would be getting some of the infrastructure in the USA repaired while providing jobs for people who now sit on their asses and draw welfare.

As far as the stock market, it is more nervous than a whore in church. C***d19 was just a trick to allow the stock market players to sell off stocks in order to drive the market down so they can re-buy what they sold when the price is down, which is one of the ways they make their money. The stock market is just a game the wealthy play to fleece money from people who don't know how to play their game; kinda like playing poker.
There was nothing wrong with the WPA programs. If ... (show quote)



Pretty much got this correct Abel... agree with you..

except C***d19 is no trick...

Near time for fishing season...
Near time for fishing season......

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Apr 11, 2020 12:29:54   #
Cuda2020
 
maximus wrote:
Not one Republican owned a s***e in 1860. Republicans passed the Equal Rights Act with far more v**es than Democrats. In fact, the Act could have been passed years earlier had the Democrats not fought so hard against it. The welfare and public housing debacle that the Democrats came up with fits 5 signs of s***ery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytytwTyDDzI


You keep the people all together. They have a place to stay but it's like living in a can of sardines. You give them their food. You give them money but not enough to get ahead. If they work, they lose all the benefits. Fathers are not allowed to stay with their children. They're not forced TO work, they are forced NOT to work.
Democrats gave the people of color a living of sorts, but they saw the wealth of the Caucasian people that they could never achieve.
That...IS modern day s***ery, mostly thought up by Democrats.
I'm not saying that Republicans are better than Democrats, but I DO believe that they have made better choices, late term a******n being high on the list. Open borders and "free stuff" are a couple more.
Another thing, the 'big switch' from Demoocrat to Republican just didn't happen. Don't take my word for it...just listen to Dan O'Donnall...

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2018-05-01-the-myth-of-the-republican-

If you don't believe him, look up Dinesh D'Souza.

Strom Thurman was the only Democrat to switch to being a Republican.

The switch for b***k A******ns came in 4 years during the 1930's. They switched, (reluctantly for they were leaving the party that abolished s***ery and did not oppress the black man), to Democratic for the benefits of the New Deal by FDR that they could get.

The idea that Republicans are r****t came from LBJ in 1964. Here is an ad put out by the LBJ campaign that suggested that Goldwater was connected with the KKK and other w***e s*********ts. There was zero evidence of this but the American people bought it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiG0AE8zdTU

So, if it seems like I'm hard on Democrats, I have a pretty long rap sheet to base it on.
Not one Republican owned a s***e in 1860. Republic... (show quote)


Jeez do some research before you post, the party's have completely switched, the republican party is nowhere near that party since it's inception from Jefferson and its first republican president with Lincoln. Go take a history class.

As far as anyone working the system whether it's some redneck, a white collar worker, or projects dude, it hasn't to do with the system trying to work, or a party, it has to do with the people playing it, so quit your party blame BS. In America, none of them is chained to where they live.

We've seen the numbers of the KKK and s*********ts not climb but soar since Trump, why do you think that is?

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Apr 11, 2020 14:51:30   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Jeez do some research before you post, the party's have completely switched, the republican party is nowhere near that party since it's inception from Jefferson and its first republican president with Lincoln. Go take a history class.

As far as anyone working the system whether it's some redneck, a white collar worker, or projects dude, it hasn't to do with the system trying to work, or a party, it has to do with the people playing it, so quit your party blame BS. In America, none of them is chained to where they live.

We've seen the numbers of the KKK and s*********ts not climb but soar since Trump, why do you think that is?
Jeez do some research before you post, the party's... (show quote)


I HAVE done my research. There was only a small number (4 or 5) that switched parties. Democrats never switched anything except they went after the black v**e after they did all they could to prevent it. They have them convinced though, that's why so many live in ghettos and projects...democrats. YOU do some research and look up how many from both sides v**ed for the Equal Rights Amendment. Democrats STILL don't give a crap about minorities...that is...AFTER they v**e.
Look it up if you dare...the actual v****g numbers verify what I have said.

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Apr 11, 2020 15:13:50   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
maximus wrote:
I HAVE done my research. There was only a small number (4 or 5) that switched parties. Democrats never switched anything except they went after the black v**e after they did all they could to prevent it. They have them convinced though, that's why so many live in ghettos and projects...democrats. YOU do some research and look up how many from both sides v**ed for the Equal Rights Amendment. Democrats STILL don't give a crap about minorities...that is...AFTER they v**e.
Look it up if you dare...the actual v****g numbers verify what I have said.
I HAVE done my research. There was only a small nu... (show quote)


Max, the refusal to accept clear historical fact by the right wingers is amazing..

You will never accept it , I know, but one more after about a dozen other explanatioins, this very simple and well known event..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

In American politics, the Southern strategy was a Republican Party e*******l strategy to increase political support among white v**ers in the South by appealing to r****m against African Americans.[1][2][3] As the civil rights movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as p**********l candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative v**ers in the South who had traditionally supported the Democratic Party rather than the Republican Party. It also helped to push the Republican Party much more to the right.[4]



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Apr 11, 2020 17:08:47   #
Abel
 
permafrost wrote:
Max, the refusal to accept clear historical fact by the right wingers is amazing..

You will never accept it , I know, but one more after about a dozen other explanatioins, this very simple and well known event..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

In American politics, the Southern strategy was a Republican Party e*******l strategy to increase political support among white v**ers in the South by appealing to r****m against African Americans.[1][2][3] As the civil rights movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as p**********l candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative v**ers in the South who had traditionally supported the Democratic Party rather than the Republican Party. It also helped to push the Republican Party much more to the right.[4]
Max, the refusal to accept clear historical fact b... (show quote)


I married into a hard core Democrat party a couple of years before I could v**e. When it came around to my v****g for the first time my father-in-law and the rest of the family all told me that if I v**ed for Goldwater like I said I was going to, things would get a hell of a lot worse. Well, they were right, for a change, and I v**ed for Goldwater, and sure as hell things did get a hell of a lot worse!! As I got a little more education, I changed to a Republican, and saw improvement, but not much, so later on I became an Independent. Never could convince my wife to kick Democrat ideas to the curb, and we were married for fifty years, until the "great" medical system of the USA k**led her with their slash/poison/burn cancer hokus-pokus for a stage-zero non-malignant tumor; sure hope her Democrat political views didn't open the door into hell for her as she didn't like hot weather.

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Apr 11, 2020 17:26:56   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Abel wrote:
I married into a hard core Democrat party a couple of years before I could v**e. When it came around to my v****g for the first time my father-in-law and the rest of the family all told me that if I v**ed for Goldwater like I said I was going to, things would get a hell of a lot worse. Well, they were right, for a change, and I v**ed for Goldwater, and sure as hell things did get a hell of a lot worse!! As I got a little more education, I changed to a Republican, and saw improvement, but not much, so later on I became an Independent. Never could convince my wife to kick Democrat ideas to the curb, and we were married for fifty years, until the "great" medical system of the USA k**led her with their slash/poison/burn cancer hokus-pokus for a stage-zero non-malignant tumor; sure hope her Democrat political views didn't open the door into hell for her as she didn't like hot weather.
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sorry about your wife Abel.

I Like that joke also, it works with any name inserted, yet I always forget to use it..



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Apr 12, 2020 00:19:25   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
permafrost wrote:
Max, the refusal to accept clear historical fact by the right wingers is amazing..

You will never accept it , I know, but one more after about a dozen other explanatioins, this very simple and well known event..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

In American politics, the Southern strategy was a Republican Party e*******l strategy to increase political support among white v**ers in the South by appealing to r****m against African Americans.[1][2][3] As the civil rights movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as p**********l candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative v**ers in the South who had traditionally supported the Democratic Party rather than the Republican Party. It also helped to push the Republican Party much more to the right.[4]
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The Myth of the Republican-Democrat 'Switch'
By Dan O'Donnell
May 1, 2018

When faced with the sobering reality that Democrats supported s***ery, started the Civil War when the abolitionist Republican Party won the Presidency, established the Ku Klux Klan to brutalize newly freed s***es and keep them from v****g, opposed the Civil Rights Movement, modern-day liberals reflexively perpetuate rather pernicious myth--that the r****t southern Democrats of the 1950s and 1960s became Republicans, leading to the so-called "switch" of the parties.

This is as ridiculous as it is easily debunked.

The Republican Party, of course, was founded in 1848 with the abolition of s***ery as its core mission. Almost immediately after its second p**********l candidate, Abraham Lincoln, won the 1860 e******n, Democrat-controlled southern states seceded on the assumption that Lincoln would destroy their s***e-based economies.

Once the Civil War ended, the newly freed s***es as expected flocked to the Republican Party, but Democrat control of the South from Reconstruction until the Civil Rights Era was near total. In 1960, Democrats held every Senate seat south of the Mason-Dixon line. In the 13 states that made up the Confederacy a century earlier, Democrats held a staggering 117-8 advantage in the House of Representatives. The Democratic Party was so strong in the south that those 117 House members made up a full 41% of Democrats' 283-153 advantage in the Chamber.

Likewise, throughout the late 1950s and early 1960s, Democratic governors and overwhelmingly Democratic State Legislatures controlled the South, which steadfastly opposed the push for civil rights. In contrast, Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower, openly praised school desegregation in the Brown v. Board of Education decision and sent federalized Arkansas National Guard troops to Little Rock to protect nine black students after Democratic Governor Orval Faubus threatened to keep them out of a previously all-white high school.

Eisenhower was a phenomenally popular war hero when he was elected in 1952, and even though only one Republican had ever before won any southern states in the E*******l College (Herbert Hoover in 1928), Eisenhower began to make inroads for the Republican Party; winning Florida, Texas, Virginia, and Tennessee. In his landslide victory four years later, Eisenhower picked up Louisiana and Kentucky.

His personal appeal, though, didn't transcend the Democratic Party's hold on the South, and when he left office in 1961, that hold was arguably stronger than it had been in decades. As Southern Democrats clung to traditional segregation, though, the rest of the country was changing, and the push for civil rights had begun.

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Apr 12, 2020 00:20:24   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
permafrost wrote:
Max, the refusal to accept clear historical fact by the right wingers is amazing..

You will never accept it , I know, but one more after about a dozen other explanatioins, this very simple and well known event..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

In American politics, the Southern strategy was a Republican Party e*******l strategy to increase political support among white v**ers in the South by appealing to r****m against African Americans.[1][2][3] As the civil rights movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as p**********l candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative v**ers in the South who had traditionally supported the Democratic Party rather than the Republican Party. It also helped to push the Republican Party much more to the right.[4]
Max, the refusal to accept clear historical fact b... (show quote)




After the assassination of President John F. Kennedy--a strong proponent of civil rights--in late 1963, Southern Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson saw it as his mission to pass the Civil Rights Act as a tribute to Kennedy, who had first proposed the bill five months before he was k**led. Democrats in the Senate, however, filibustered it.

In June of 1964, though, the bill came up again, and it passed...over the strenuous objections of Southern Democrats. 80% of House Republicans v**ed for the measure, compared with just 61% of Democrats, while 82% of Republicans in the Senate supported it, compared with 69% of Democrats.

Nearly all of the opposition was, naturally, in the South, which was still nearly unanimously Democratic and nearly unanimously resistant to the changing country. One thing that most assuredly didn't change, though, was party affiliation. A total of 21 Democrats in the Senate opposed the Civil Rights Act. Only one of them, "Dixiecrat" Strom Thurmond, ever became a Republican. The rest, including Al Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd--a former Exalted Cyclops in the Ku Klux Klan--remained Democrats until the day they died.

Moreover, as those 20 lifelong Democrats retired, their Senate seats remained in Democrat hands for several decades afterwards. So too did the overwhelming majority of the House seats in the South until 1994, when a Republican wave e******n swept the GOP into control of the House for the first time since 1952. 1994 was also the first time Republicans ever held a majority of House seats in the South--a full 30 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

From there, Republicans gradually built their support in the South until two more wave e******ns in 2010 and 2014 gave them the overwhelming majorities they enjoy today.

If this was a sudden "switch" to the Republican Party for the old Democrat segregationists, it sure took a long time to happen.

The reality is that it didn't. After the 1964 e******n--the first after the passage of the Civil Rights Act and the opportune time for r****t Democrat v**ers to abandon the party in favor of Republicans--Democrats still held a 102-20 House majority in states that had once been part of the Confederacy. In 1960, remember, that advantage was 117-8. A pickup of 12 seats (half of them in Alabama) is hardly the massive shift one would expect if r****t v**ers suddenly abandoned the Democratic Party in favor of the GOP.

In fact, v****g patterns in the South didn't really change all that much after the Civil Rights era. Democrats still dominated Senate, House, and gubernatorial e******ns for decades afterward. Alabama, for example, didn't elect a Republican governor until 1986. Mississippi didn't elect one until 1991. Georgia didn't elect one until 2002.

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Apr 12, 2020 00:20:56   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
permafrost wrote:
Max, the refusal to accept clear historical fact by the right wingers is amazing..

You will never accept it , I know, but one more after about a dozen other explanatioins, this very simple and well known event..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

In American politics, the Southern strategy was a Republican Party e*******l strategy to increase political support among white v**ers in the South by appealing to r****m against African Americans.[1][2][3] As the civil rights movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as p**********l candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative v**ers in the South who had traditionally supported the Democratic Party rather than the Republican Party. It also helped to push the Republican Party much more to the right.[4]
Max, the refusal to accept clear historical fact b... (show quote)





In the Senate, Republicans picked up four southern Senate seats in the 1960s and 1970s, while Democrats also picked up four. Democratic incumbents won routinely. If anything, those r****t southern v**ers kept v****g Democrat.

So how did this myth of a sudden "switch" get started?

It's rooted in an equally pernicious myth of the supposedly r****t "Southern Strategy" of Richard Nixon's 1968 p**********l campaign, which was accused of surreptitiously exploiting the innate r****m of white southern v**ers.

Even before that, though, modern-day Democrats point to the 1964 p**********l campaign of Republican Barry Goldwater, who refused to back the 1964 Civil Rights Act as proof that the GOP was actively courting r****t southern v**ers. After all, they argue, Goldwater only won six states--his home state of Arizona and five states in the deep south. His "States' Rights" platform had to be code for a r****t return to a segregated society, right?

Hardly. Goldwater was actually very supportive of civil rights for b***k A******ns, v****g for the 1957 and 1960 Civil Rights Acts and even helping to found Arizona's chapter of the NAACP. His opposition to the 1964 Act was not at all rooted in r****m, but rather in a belief that it allowed the federal government to infringe on state sovereignty.

The Lyndon B. Johnson campaign pounced on Goldwater's position and, during the height of the 1964 campaign, ran an ad titled "Confessions of a Republican," which rather nonsensically tied Goldwater to the Ku Klux Klan (which, remember, was a Democratic organization).

The ad helped Johnson win the biggest landslide since 1920 and for the first time showed Democrats that accusing Republicans of being r****t (even with absolutely no evidence to back this up) was a potent political weapon.

It would not be the last time they used it.

Four years later, facing declining popularity ratings and strong primary challenges from Eugene McCarthy and Robert Kennedy, Johnson decided not to run for re-e******n. As protests over the Vietnam War and race r**ts following the death of Martin Luther King, Jr. raged in America's streets, Republican Richard Nixon, the former Vice President, launched a campaign based on promises of "restoring law and order."

With the southerner Johnson out of the race and Minnesota native Hubert Humphrey as his opponent, Nixon saw an opportunity to win southern states that Goldwater had, not through r****m, but through aggressive campaigning in an area of the country Republicans had previously written off.

Yet it didn't work. For all of Nixon's supposed appeals to southern r****ts (who still v**ed for Democrats in Senate and House races that same year), he lost almost all of the south to a Democrat--George Wallace, who ran on the American Independent ticket and won five states and 46 e*******l v**es.

It shouldn't have been surprising that Nixon ran competitively in the South, though. He carried 32 states and won 301 e*******l v**es. Four years later, he won every state except Massachusetts. Was it because of his r****m? Had he laid the groundwork for r****t appeals by Republicans for generations to come?

Of course not. The supposedly r****t southern Republicans who v**ed for Nixon in 1972 also v**ed to re-elect Democrat Senators in Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia. Republicans gained only eight southern seats in the House even though their p**********l candidate won a record 520 e*******l v**es.

After Nixon resigned in disgrace in 1974, Democrat Jimmy Carter swept the South en route to the presidency in 1976. Did Carter similarly run on r****t themes? Or was he simply a stronger candidate? After Ronald Reagan carried the south in two landslides (including the biggest in U.S. history in 1984) and George H.W. Bush ran similarly strongly in 1988 while promising to be a "third Reagan term," Democrat Bill Clinton split the southern states with Bush in 1992 and with Bob Dole in 1996.

All the while, Democrats kept winning House, Senate, and gubernatorial e******ns. Only in 2000 did southern v**ers return to unanimous E*******l College support for a Republican p**********l candidate.

Since then, the south has v**ed reliably Republican (with the exception of Florida and North Carolina) in every p**********l e******n as it has consistently v**ed for Republicans in Senate, House, and Governor's races.

Yet this shift was a gradual, decades-long t***sition and not a sudden "shift" in response to the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s. R****m didn't turn the South Republican--if it did, then why did it take 30 years for those r****t v**ers to finally give the GOP a majority of southern House seats? Why did it take r****t v**ers in Georgia 38 years to finally v**e for a Republican governor? And why did only one southern Democrat ever switch to the Republican Party?

The myth of the great Republican-Democrat "switch" summarily falters under the weight of actual historical analysis, and it becomes clear that prolonged e*******l shifts combined with the phenomenal nationwide popularity of Republicans Richard Nixon in 1972 and Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984 were the real reason for the Republican strength in the south.

Reagan in particular introduced the entire nation to conservative policies that it found that it loved, sparking a new generation of Republican v**ers and politicians who still have tremendous influence today.

R****m had nothing to do with it. That is simply a Democratic myth.

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