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Feb 22, 2020 13:59:06   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
lindajoy wrote:
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A beautiful place for that much needed vitamin D i... (show quote)


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Feb 22, 2020 14:03:39   #
Singularity
 
bggamers wrote:
Yea those are great ideas just don't want the fed government in control of healthcare. expanding medicare is fine but like someone else said we have medicare and people in my state have an insurance pool for existing health problems we also have the health dept and clinics so everyone should be covered BY THE STATE which this makes it smaller and easier to control federal control would make it a giant disaster in my opinion these states need to pick up and carry their own load


In Tennessee, the State could barely afford to pay the Mental Health Co-op to have the nurse practitioner visit for 15 minutes every three months.

Federal regulations and subsidies might insure that poorer States can give it a shot at offering better services. The Red State Governors, Tennessee's was one, who refused the Medicaid Expansion subsidies under the ACA have some accountability here.

Mississippi has it worse.

States with lotsa extra letters in their names, but little cash in the coffers.

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Feb 22, 2020 14:10:44   #
son of witless
 
Kevyn wrote:
In a warped way of understanding things I suppose it does. If your neighbors house catches on fire, the fire department will come and put the fire out. You both pay taxes to support the fire department so in essence you are responsible for putting out your neighbors burning house.


When my neighbor's house catches fire he likely has fire insurance. If he doesn't I may contribute to a fund to help his family or I may not, but I am not responsible for paying for his loss. Or did Obama have the Federal Government take over fire insurance like he did student loans ?

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Feb 22, 2020 14:18:38   #
Singularity
 
son of witless wrote:
When my neighbor's house catches fire he likely has fire insurance. If he doesn't I may contribute to a fund to help his family or I may not, but I am not responsible for paying for his loss. Or did Obama have the Federal Government take over fire insurance like he did student loans ?

Like my son could afford fire insurance. Luckily, he lives in a one room studio apartment. I turned my car over to him and he can barely afford the remaining year of payments and the auto insurance. Needs it fully insured for work at Jimmy John's Sandwiches. (Freaky fast!) I'm helping till he sees the dental surgeon and finishes paying for the three wisdom teeth that have needed to come out since last year.

If we aren't going to help a sick or injured animal thru a health crisis we at least have the decency and stones to put a merciful bullet in its head!

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Feb 22, 2020 14:24:19   #
Singularity
 
son of witless wrote:
When my neighbor's house catches fire he likely has fire insurance. If he doesn't I may contribute to a fund to help his family or I may not, but I am not responsible for paying for his loss. Or did Obama have the Federal Government take over fire insurance like he did student loans ?


I think runaway costs have gone hand in hand with privatization of service industries. Hospitals, clinics, prisons, schools. Some aspects of capitalism run counter to humanitarianism.

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Feb 22, 2020 14:58:23   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
JFlorio wrote:
I’m being serious here. Not sure I get the whole human right and healthcare to line up. Does that make me responsible for my neighbors healthcare?


Responsible? Not insofar as paying for it. That's why so many h**e the idea of free health care for i******s. Your responsibility begins and ends with your family or if you want to extend it, where you want..not the freakin government.

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Feb 22, 2020 14:58:39   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Singularity wrote:
In Tennessee, the State could barely afford to pay the Mental Health Co-op to have the nurse practitioner visit for 15 minutes every three months.

Federal regulations and subsidies might insure that poorer States can give it a shot at offering better services. The Red State Governors, Tennessee's was one, who refused the Medicaid Expansion subsidies under the ACA have some accountability here.

Mississippi has it worse.

States with lotsa extra letters in their names, but little cash in the coffers.
In Tennessee, the State could barely afford to pay... (show quote)


Maybe the poorer states could qualify for fed funds to go toward all these programs other states that don't need it shouldn't apply and still be state-run. Each state has different needs and one program fits all just won't work for everyone. One states need may be in totally different areas than another so just like the state puts in for federal funds for roads etc they could also have the federal funds for health care like clinics in rural areas with licensed nurses to run them and the state would give each county that qualifies for help would be funded that way through the state. If they put in clinics in these rural areas they could staff them with several lpn's and an RN that is a physicians asst if they also had their own small pharmacy wouldn't hurt either with x ray and ability to do simple lab test

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Feb 22, 2020 15:05:59   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
steve66613 wrote:
IMO: “human right”....no. “Human need”....
absolutely! So, in a modern civilization, we need to determine the best way to provide the best healthcare for the CITIZENS OF OUR SOCIETY/NATION. A capitalistic republic, using the principles of democracy, seems to work better than any form of government, ever devised, historically.


I like the way we have fine. Pay for foreigners? Illegal foreigners that is or muzzies is when they can bite me.
My wife pays taxes, I don't. I don't like how they are used.

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Feb 22, 2020 15:08:40   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
steve66613 wrote:
Ninety-nine percent of the time, neighbors, the church, Red Cross, local businesses, etc., etc., help people “get back on their feet”, right?

That’s in spite of insurance coverage.

Would socialism improve the present system?


Hell no!!!! Want to wait three weeks for heart surgery you need then?

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Feb 22, 2020 15:14:30   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
permafrost wrote:
denied healthcare... now you have the difficulty of defining just what you mean by that.

ON the verge of dying? right at that point some thing would be done.. at the early stage of a deadly disease?? No, not if the orange cult gets its way.. let em rot..

More to the point of our real life, the question should be; who has been denied health coverage, even when well able to afford it..

For a simply answer, it is me me me... for near 5 years after I began my own business I was without insurance for myself although I payed for my wife, 3 kids and 2 grand kids..

as luck would have it, I never needed it although in one instance I would have gone to the Doc for a flu like bug..

So if you do not want health care for all because you see it taking money from your pocket, why do you not object to refusal of insurance to others which in the end you would then have to pay more to ease the end days of the unwashed unwanted who do not get to pay for their needed insurance?

In our society, no matter how distorted the figures become, the t***h is that health care for all is the cheapest answer for you and the population of our nation..
denied healthcare... now you have the difficulty o... (show quote)


Then you haven't known anyone who was depending on the VA. Granted they've improved a lot recently (not enough). I still remember those weeks I spent in there treated like I was in a third world country and they were always running out of things.

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Feb 22, 2020 15:18:05   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
JFlorio wrote:
Apparently the waiting list for the public option leaves many out. Also, procedures are rationed, so I've been told.


Spot on. I have a friend John McDonald in England he told me the same thing. Be a muzzie or rich you'll get the private option, but most aren't aware of that.

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Feb 22, 2020 15:25:24   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Singularity wrote:
I absolutely have been denied healthcare due to inability to pay. These days the excuse is, "At your age...."

So has my son. And my other son. And a friend of my son who stayed with me for a week or two.

And.....


I'm not a doctor, but unless you were a muzzie or an illegal I wouldn't deny healthcare to you, why? "At your age?" I'm 70, I'll die sometime soon old wounds, so.

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Feb 22, 2020 15:30:55   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Singularity wrote:
I have Medicare. For me. When I went to the ER after a fall which injured my shoulder and knee, I was told they would evaluate only the more serious shoulder dislocation and refused to Xray the knee or the internal delicate surgically balanced appliances that keep my neck together these days, even though I had symptoms of cervical radiculopathy (neck pain, shooting to the fingers, indicating a pinched or damaged nerve in the neck bones...) I was told it was cost saving to focus ONLY ON THE ONE INITIAL COMPLAINT during emergency visits and referred to the clinic next day for the knee, and to my previous neurosurgeon in the following week, if symptoms persisted.

I only went because of my concern for my spine, having treated the shoulder adequately myself. I had already popped the shoulder in place myself because I knew the ambulance ride would take about a half hour, and typically the longer one waits the more spasmed and tight the muscles can become, and it can then be impossible to set correctly without surgical anesthesia.

I protested to no avail. Was given my discharge papers despite insisting that I wanted evaluation of the neck in addition.

Then, the discharge instructions said clearly that I should return to the ER immediately, (it said immediately!) if I experienced pain shooting down my arm. Duh! I just concluded I was insane from the pain and narcotics and went home to try to sleep it off.

Wanted a neck xray, but got only a bad view of the shoulder. And a shot that dulled my protest.

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When my son applied for disability he was told he might also receive Medicaid in the interim but if found not qualified for Social Security Disability, he would have to pay the premiums back retroactively! He knew he would be unable to do that so did not accept the coverage. It took five years before he was able to qualify due to delays, appeals and rejection due to lack of treatment records, because he couldn't afford treatment and was only seen for 25 min every three months by a nurse practitioner who did not have his medical records available from the Behavioral Health Institute's muddling attempts. A Catch 22 that guarantees homelessness, medical indigency, social oblivion, and isolation in death in far too many cases.

He finally was admitted to Vanderblit Hospital due to an extraordinary scenario I was just lucky enough to have been able to maneuver them into, instead of committal to the State Behavioral Health Institute again (jail for poor psychiatric patients who become dangerous to self or others.) They helped him aquire Medicaid, and he now has Medicare and SSD, though he will be reevaluated in 8 months for possible improvement and loss of benefits. He is Manic Depressive and has Dystonia, a condition similar to Parkinson's Disease. Still works part time delivering sandwiches.

The other two stories will just make this post too long....

I need to get out more! These book long posts MUST be getting annoying for folks....
I have Medicare. For me. When I went to the ER aft... (show quote)


No, not annoying. I thought 's**t that's more serious than a lot of the stuff I've been in for.' Both your son and you. I'd sue the __________

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Feb 22, 2020 15:37:07   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Singularity wrote:
Nashville, TN

Red state. No Medicaid expansion....

The Constitution, once of great promise, has been used to wipe too many corporate and political butts, for me to believe in its current efficacy.


Ohio I think it's a purple state, Medicaid does fine here. Especially Chillicothe, it's like living in a time warp (the 50s or 60s).

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Feb 22, 2020 15:40:05   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
4430 wrote:
Here in the neck of my woods if you had a huge medical bill you couldn't pay all you had to do is start paying what you can each month and they couldn't do anything about it !


Here too. They give you a "budget."

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