bggamers Loc: georgia

You know what Blade Runner he's a new troll and already not worthy of an answer. He's a definite pass over

JohnCorrespondent

The phrase "stupid of ignorance" does not look grammatically correct. "stupid or ignorant" might work better.

JohnCorrespondent

What, "kicked out of the club for calling someone a moron"? That actually happens? Are you and Archie bunker pulling our leg?

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Pass over? You mean like swatting him over the net with a shovel? 😏
He's a perfect redneck tennis ball!😀

JohnCorrespondent

Starting over with new money: it seems very radical and sudden, when you describe it that way. Here's a similar radical idea that might work better: convert to 100% reserve banking instead of partial reserve banking.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Nope!!! I was kicked out exactly for that!!!

JohnCorrespondent

Maybe in Scandinavian countries.

JohnCorrespondent

So who does the kicking out and how do they do it? Is there a site monitor who pulls the plug on your account so that you can't login?

"moron" doesn't seem so bad compared with all the other insults one sees in OPP.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Yes exactly!! There are people who will report you to Administration!!! Even if you say fool,be careful who you are say it to!!!

archie bunker Loc: Texas

I've been suspended for less.

Mikeyavelli

Capitalism is when you have your own cows and you sell milk and cheese and meat for a profit.
Socialism is when you own your own cows, but you give the milk and meat to the government who gives you back the amount of cheese and baloney they think you need.
C*******m is when the government takes your cows and sends you back the manure in hopes that your turnips will grow.

JohnCorrespondent

It is a good post that you wrote.

While I haven't seriously studied socialism, I did one day call up a socialist organization, and asked: "What is socialism?" Then the person replied, "Socialism is a system in which the workers own the means of production."

Wikipedia's definition of socialism includes a similar phrase: "social ownership of the means of production".

I say, one of the most important means of production is land.

I shall borrow a couple of ideas from a book. The book is _Rights vs. Privileges_ by Robert De Fremery. I would not call him a socialist, and he'd probably be offended at being called one, but in _my_ opinion at least one of the ideas he espouses is at least _related_ to socialism: That is the idea about who owns land.

(After all, land is important as a means of production, most obviously for farmers; and "means of production" can figure into the definition of "socialism".)

Land was not created by any person. Raw, undeveloped land, also called the site value of land, rightfully belongs or should belong to all of the people equally.

You said some things about taxes. We currently have a variety of taxes (taxes on land, improvements, sales, income, and some other things). It seems to me that our government relies mainly on an "income tax" system which is mainly based on taxing _earnings_!

I am against taxing earnings. (More particularly, I am against taxing labor, or taxing earnings from labor.)

I am for a tax on the using up of natural resources (which rightly belong to all equally, as "Commons") and that includes a tax on the site value of land occupied.

(The tax on the site value of land is the way the whole People (via their government) can rec**p the site value of land which they all rightly should own as Commons.)

Ceasing the tax on labor frees up people to work and keep more of the fruits of their own labor. (One can argue for this by saying that they created that value by their own work, so it rightfully belongs to themselves.)

As for most of the people I've encountered on OPP, they seem to vehemently oppose something they call "socialism" which they associate with freeloaders, government handouts, and disincentives to being productive. I don't have a direct quote handy but that's how I recall what they tend to say. I can understand such concerns although I think it's a very weak characterization of what socialism really is or at least is intended to be by real socialists.

I agree with you that our country currently has a kind of "corporate socialism", not in the sense that real socialists want that system, but rather in the sense that those corporations are freeloaders getting government handouts and disincentives to making an honest living -- bad things often associated with "socialism" by people who aren't real socialists.

That so-called "corporate socialism" might also be called a part of a f*****t system, I think.

There might be some kinds of "good" socialism:

Common ownership of the site value of land (a value which, generally, individual people don't create) makes sense to me, and _I_ feel that there's something socialist about that, in a good way.

Workers owning the means of production seems sensible to me, and some people call that socialism.

Stopping the taxation of earnings from labor (which I also favor) is not socialism. I don't have a handy label for it. Stopping that taxation is favorable to laborers.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Good post... Lots to chew on here

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I don’t think he’s a new person at all I think he’s a retread under another name.

waltmoreno

She's right! Admin suspended me for calling someone an i***t. So "fool", "i***t", and "moron" seem to words that trigger admin to suspend the offender. Word to the wise: Don't use any of those words or you'll be hearing from admin.