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Feb 20, 2020 09:42:01   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
Jesus would probably get a job and take care of his child, not depend on others to do for him what one can, and should do for themselves......pretty sure he would not tax me for the burden created by another either.....actions have consequences.


Do you give from your heart?

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Feb 20, 2020 09:43:42   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I have always paid my own way . I live in the second poorest county in Oregon. My first grader just had a Valentines day party at school. All parents were asked if they could bring a treat to the classroom. My wife was the only parent who did.


The rest probably either to lazy or didn’t want to! Food stamps need to b used for food only!

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Feb 20, 2020 09:44:51   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
no propaganda please wrote:
No, I would not send my children to bed hungry but, unfortunately, a lot of welfare mothers use their money to buy drugs not to feed their children. Others buy McDonalds meals for their children because they are too lazy or stoned to buy whole chickens and rice and beans, which they have to cook before feeding their children. Our church has a weekly pot luck dinner where we all bring food ready to eat and everyone, even those we don't yet know, is welcome to come and eat. We even deliver food to several families who have no way to get there. Unfortunately many of these people refuse to cook the food we donate. These people have money for booze and drugs, but not to feed their children. What keeps going through my mine is that ALL those women should be spayed, and as quickly as possible.
SWMBO
No, I would not send my children to bed hungry but... (show quote)


Agreed!!!

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Feb 20, 2020 09:48:15   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Pennylynn wrote:
There are times when everyone may need a hand up, a hand out, or support. I do not know anyone who will turn their backs on anyone, be it child, man, woman, or beast when they are in need. Having said that, there also comes a point when good intentions of simply providing temporary help becomes a way of life, expected, or even demanded. And there comes a time to stop promoting women who give birth to litters of children with the expectations that society is responsible for those babies and by extension the man who simply supplied sperm and the woman who took no precautions or preplanning in the event of pregnancy. Expecting to abort the baby is not an acceptable form of birth control. Living on charity affords no future.

Hand outs/up or support have to be temporary, but there are some who would rather relax with their X-box or engaging in other distractions than finding a job and keeping said job. If assistance becomes the past, present, and future expectation, the "provider" has to stop and consider whether they are solving the problem or are saps and enablers. Whether welfare strips people of p***e and self-respect. That raises interesting problems; how many years should the public be responsible for providing for adults or children, should the assistance be for our own citizens or be inclusive of the world, should there be a maximum on the number of life long dependent children and what to do about over reproduction in a family, if we are to expect some individuals to always live on charity, should we consider opening spay and neuter clinics to control that over population....and that opens a new can of worms.

I have no idea of what Jesus would do, he lived in another time under different circumstances. As far as I can determine, he never worked and lived off of charity. However, there is no place where it is implied that he was promiscuous or produced children with the expectation that they too should live on welfare. Same goes for his cousin, John the Baptizer, his brother John, or any of his disciples.
There are times when everyone may need a hand up, ... (show quote)


Jesus was a carpenter! Did not promote laziness!

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Feb 20, 2020 11:40:12   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
no propaganda please wrote:
NPP and I work helping abused boys, many of whom have been rented out by their drug addicted mothers so that homosexual men can have sex with them. We work hard getting these boys away from their dams (they are not mothers, they are only the dam of the boy, like a mare is the dam of her foals, although the mare takes better care of the foal than the mother of these boys take care of their offspring. Poor, down on their luck mothers and their children are another story and many such families have stayed with us in our double wide, or lived in the single wide we have just for such desperate people. The only thing we will do for drug addicted mothers is drive them to the drug clinic run by a number of church groups, and make sure that their children have a safe place to stay and good food to eat while their mothers go through addiction treatment, we will not house the drug addict, have done that a couple of times and the destruction to our property amounted to thousands of dollars. Personally, after three or four times through the addiction treatment, if the woman can't clean up her act, we work with authorities to find a good safe foster family to take care of the young man rather than force him back inti the pits of hell. Sorry that you think that is a h**eful response, but years of experience have taught us that the other method doesn't work.
NPP and I work helping abused boys, many of whom h... (show quote)


D********g and amazing that it goes on in the USA. Addiction is awful but pimping out children for perverted sex goes beyond anything one can imagine. I would have no problem with those parents being put to death. None what so ever.

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Feb 20, 2020 12:02:47   #
Singularity
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
Jesus would probably get a job and take care of his child, not depend on others to do for him what one can, and should do for themselves......pretty sure he would not tax me for the burden created by another either.....actions have consequences.


I heard a claim that 60% of fulltime employed workers in the USA make less than $40K per year. I'm searching for confirmation and to evaluate the data and how it was calculated, but....

Some people claim to struggle with that due to housing costs, educational debts and the cost of insurance premiums even when healthcare services remain prohibitively expensive despite it.

Is $2000 a month for rent and utilities for a three/four person household exhorbitant?

My family insurance premium a number of years ago before I became disabled was $650 a month for three people.

Average food budget for a family of three or four might be, conservatively, at $1.50 per meal, $500 monthly. Can you follow a healthy diabetic diet for $1.50 per meal? Can you work full time and still grow supplemental crops? Some do if there is access to a patch of dirt or a balcony that won't get vandalized. Fruit trees rarely yield for several years.... Kids won't wait 5 days for a meal.

Clothing, including that for growing children, appropriate for school and work, for three, $150 per month.

On such a budget one would be wise to save and invest in the future.

How? Education? Oh, student loan debt.... Doesn't fit in there.

Life insurance? Mutual funds? Nope. Baby needs surgery, tubes in the ears or he will be deaf....

Elderly parents need care and support? Ok. But they are from the old country and never paid in to Social Security....

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Feb 20, 2020 12:07:03   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Singularity wrote:
I heard a claim that 60% of fulltime employed workers in the USA make less than $40K per year. I'm searching for confirmation and to evaluate the data and how it was calculated, but....

Some people claim to struggle with that due to housing costs, educational debts and the cost of insurance premiums even when healthcare services remain prohibitively expensive despite it.

Is $2000 a month for rent and utilities for a three/four person household exhorbitant?

My family insurance premium a number of years ago before I became disabled was $650 a month for three people.

Average food budget for a family of three or four might be, conservatively, $500 monthly.

Clothing, including that for growing children, appropriate for school and work, for three, $150 per month.

On such a budget one would be wise to save and invest in the future.

How? Education? Oh, student loan debt.... Doesn't fit in there.

Life insurance? Mutual funds? Nope. Baby needs surgery, tubes in the ears or he will be deaf....

Elderly parents need care and support? Ok. But they are from the old country and never paid in to Social Security....
I heard a claim that 60% of fulltime employed wor... (show quote)


The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported a median personal income of $865 weekly for all full-time workers in 2017. The U.S. Census Bureau lists the annual median personal income at $31,099 in 2016. Real per-capita disposable income was $45,646 as of October 2019.

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Feb 20, 2020 12:26:46   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Do you believe a child with no money should have their food taken from them in the lunch line at school? Is that the right thing to do? Would you do that?


NO and people pay for that I'm on s/s and still I pay for school tax with my house payment. Schools here offer breakfast/lunch to the low income and the ones that are not low parents pay extra for the breakfast and lunch so we do help

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Feb 20, 2020 12:29:29   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Singularity wrote:
I heard a claim that 60% of fulltime employed workers in the USA make less than $40K per year. I'm searching for confirmation and to evaluate the data and how it was calculated, but....

Some people claim to struggle with that due to housing costs, educational debts and the cost of insurance premiums even when healthcare services remain prohibitively expensive despite it.

Is $2000 a month for rent and utilities for a three/four person household exhorbitant?

My family insurance premium a number of years ago before I became disabled was $650 a month for three people.

Average food budget for a family of three or four might be, conservatively, at $1.50 per meal, $500 monthly. Can you follow a healthy diabetic diet for $1.50 per meal? Can you work full time and still grow supplemental crops? Some do if there is access to a patch of dirt or a balcony that won't get vandalized. Fruit trees rarely yield for several years.... Kids won't wait 5 days for a meal.

Clothing, including that for growing children, appropriate for school and work, for three, $150 per month.

On such a budget one would be wise to save and invest in the future.

How? Education? Oh, student loan debt.... Doesn't fit in there.

Life insurance? Mutual funds? Nope. Baby needs surgery, tubes in the ears or he will be deaf....

Elderly parents need care and support? Ok. But they are from the old country and never paid in to Social Security....
I heard a claim that 60% of fulltime employed wor... (show quote)


In my opinion, those prices are price gouging when we had a gas crisis the government put their foot down fined the people caught overcharging they need to do it with housing

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Feb 20, 2020 12:31:53   #
Singularity
 
JFlorio wrote:
The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported a median personal income of $865 weekly for all full-time workers in 2017. The U.S. Census Bureau lists the annual median personal income at $31,099 in 2016. Real per-capita disposable income was $45,646 as of October 2019.

Only the rich top percentages HAVE "disposable" income... That figure proves the disparity between the rich and the regular folks. Very little to do with how much a Jesus type could earn in our country these days. No college, archaic and outdated artisanal wood working sk**ls... Maybe he could teach at a community college, if he got a degree and a teaching certification.

Unless he opened a wine shop...

Lets MAGA, then! Create and allow the conditions for which a family, if they wish, could keep Mama at home and Daddy at work full time at a min wage of $20/ hour or $41,280 per year.

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Feb 20, 2020 12:43:59   #
Singularity
 
bggamers wrote:
In my opinion, those prices are price gouging when we had a gas crisis the government put their foot down fined the people caught overcharging they need to do it with housing


My younger son has two disabling medical conditions and needs to live in town for access to needed medical treatment.

He found a one room studio for $650 per month. That is the least expensive we have found in over a year of searching, so he just signed a second years lease. Next lot over from his building is an Hispanic civic center. Mariachi music in the parking lot until 2am every weekend. His wall vibrates. When they switch to rock or metal, the bed seems to thump in rythym to the bass. Sleep deprivation significantly worsens his condition so he is finding it hard to increase his hours delivering for Jimmy John's Sandwiches, but he wants to get off Social Security Disability. We worry because we doubt it will continue to be available much longer.

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Feb 20, 2020 12:49:28   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Singularity wrote:
My younger son has two disabling medical conditions and needs to live in town for access to needed medical treatment.

He found a one room studio for $650 per month. That is the least expensive we have found in over a year of searching, so he just signed a second years lease. Next lot over from his building is an Hispanic civic center. Mariachi music in the parking lot until 2am every weekend. His wall vibrates. When they switch to rock or metal, the bed seems to thump in rythym to the bass. Sleep deprivation significantly worsens his condition so he is finding it hard to increase his hours delivering for Jimmy John's Sandwiches, but he wants to get off Social Security Disability. We worry because we doubt it will continue to be available much longer.
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If he has disabilities he would be able to get housing assistance from the government. That way he could find something and they would help pay for it. Where is he living?

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Feb 20, 2020 12:50:16   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Singularity wrote:
Only the rich top percentages HAVE "disposable" income... That figure proves the disparity between the rich and the regular folks. Very little to do with how much a Jesus type could earn in our country these days. No college, archaic and outdated artisanal wood working sk**ls... Maybe he could teach at a community college, if he got a degree and a teaching certification.

Unless he opened a wine shop...

Lets MAGA, then! Create and allow the conditions for which a family, if they wish, could keep Mama at home and Daddy at work full time at a min wage of $20/ hour or $41,280 per year.
Only the rich top percentages HAVE "disposabl... (show quote)


That will never work. How do you create those conditions. $20.00/hr minimum wage? Only way wages truly reflect the economy is supply and demand. You gain nothing by artificially inflating wages because many employers would either be priced out of business or the cost of goods would just increase exponentially so you gain nothin. The only way to bring wages up is quit letting in large numbers of third world, uneducated people into the country. They drive down wages. Proven fact. Fine and or jail employers who knowingly hire i******s. I suggest making E-Verify the law of the land. Secondly, fair trade policies. Our ridiculous policies with China for instance (before Trump) guaranteed cheap products that drove out American manufacturing and good jobs. In the last tax bill (I will catch hell for this from some conservatives) I would have only given the corporate tax cuts to those companies that signed an agreement that none of the savings could be used for stock buy backs. Also I would have demanded that congress reduce spending by the same percentage as the tax rate was reduced. Any cuts in programs will have a negative affect on some; however if we don't do this down the road we will have a devastating affect on most everyone.

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Feb 20, 2020 12:57:29   #
Singularity
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
It's the parents responsibility to feed the brat.

And the God I follow never told me that it's my responsibility to feed every child who's parents are too stupid or too lazy to feed them.

I fed my boys until they were old enough to feed themselves.

That was my responsibility.

I pay taxes out of every damn pay check I've ever received.

My tax money goes to feed the brats of lazy ass parents who live on food stamps.

If that ain't enough for you bleeding heart Jack@$$€$, then by all means you can kiss my grits.

You poor dumb Goobersmoocher.
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Matt 25: 39-46 kjv
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

King James Version (KJV)

What god do you follow?

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Feb 20, 2020 12:59:32   #
Singularity
 
bggamers wrote:
If he has disabilities he would be able to get housing assistance from the government. That way he could find something and they would help pay for it. Where is he living?


His SSD is considered sufficient. $946 per month. He does not qualify. He does have an additional supplement that helps cover medication costs, but was otherwise denied SSI benefits.

He does not date. Realizes he cannot afford a family.

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