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Feb 14, 2020 10:12:12   #
thebigp
 
• 02/26/2019
• We all know socialism doesn't work; however, the tendency of history to threaten to repeat itself means it can never be relegated to the dustbin of history – as much as we'd like.

Perhaps Ronald Reagan – an optimist and a realist – said it best:

• Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. The only way they can inherit the freedom we have known is if we fight for it, protect it, defend it, and then hand it to them with the well fought lessons of how they in their lifetime must do the same. And if you and I don't do this, then you and I may well spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it once was like in America when men were free.

Here are some countries that learned socialism doesn’t work the hard way.

Share this list with like-minded friends and neighbors. I guarantee you the far-Left isn’t complacent. Are you?
China By Helsingin Sanomat, Public Domain,
The suffering under Mao Zedong and his “Great Leap Forward” is unimaginable to you and me. Between 40 and 70 million Chinese died during his 27-year reign. So many people and in so many different places that the real number will never be known.
By adopting aspects of the free enterprise system, the People's Republic of China survives to this day. However, political and individual freedoms remain non-existence.
Cambodia A Domino Effect of sorts took place after the U.S. withdrew from Vietnam. The Communist Party in Cambodia installed their regime in 1975, known as the Khmer Rouge. Ultimately, 25 percent of the population was systematically murdered by Pol Pot and his Marxist–Leninist ilk.
Cuba Fidel Castro had a horrid legacy of tyranny and oppression during his lifetime (we hate to break it to you, Michael Moore). Castro opened work camps for homosexuals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and all those he arbitrarily considered “undesirables.” Castro’s legacy is still seen today as the tropical paradise he ruled for five decades seems hopelessly stuck in the 1950s.
North Korea The 22 million citizens of North Korean suffer, not only from an utter lack of individual, economic, and political freedom – but also an abysmal public health record. Between 1994 and 1998 alone, as many as 3,500,000 North Koreans perished from starvation or hunger-related illnesses. On our population basis, that equals 50 million dead Americans. President Trump is trying his best to limit the suffering of the people inside the Hermit Kingdom through his ongoing dialogue with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un.
Poland Poland was occupied by the USSR for nearly half a century and used as a buffer state in case of western aggression.
The USSR first annexed Eastern Poland under an agreement with Adolf Hitler before occupying the entire country in the last year of World War II – the ultimate insult after the Poles lost as many as six million people under Nazi rule.
The Kremlin installed a puppet regime that completely oppressed the Polish people. Finally, a popular uprising led by anti-communist Lech Wałęsa rode a revolutionary wave sweeping Eastern Europe in 1989 that ended more than four decades of tyranny.
Romania The Romanian people were one of the USSR’s hardest hit victims.
The Soviets occupied the country while pushing towards Berlin in the summer of 1944. During most of the Second World War, Romania belonged to the Axis Powers but switched sides once it became evident Nazi Germany couldn't win. The country negotiated an armistice with the Soviets when King Michael circumvented the fascist government to cut a deal.
Soviet historiography called the episode the “Liberation of Romania by the glorious Soviet Army” but Romanians quickly came to loath the Soviet occupation.
A 2006 government commission validated their outrage, estimating the number of direct victims from Communist rule at two million.
U.S.S.R. Under the Tsars the poor of Russia were indescribably poor. Somehow, life got worse under communism. Ultimately, the USSR modernized Russia but at the cost of tens of millions of dead and the near collapse of the entire nation during the darkest days of World War II.
Through he's regarded more favorably than his successor, Vladimir Lenin is responsible for more deaths than Genghis Khan.
And even Ivan the Terrible couldn't imagine wreaking havoc of the scale of Joseph Stalin who sent millions of his own people to Gulags where they faced certain death. The seminal book The Gulag Archipelago tells you everything you need to know about the deplorable conditions.
In one year alone (1932-1933) the Ukraine endured a man-made famine courtesy of Stalin's breakneck industrialization that may have killed seven-and-a-half million people. Other atrocities include the Great Purge and “population transfers.”
Venezuela Venezuela has become a major point of contention in American politics as the country descends into chaos under the Maduro regime. The average Venezuelan citizen has lost 24 pounds due to a starvation diet. Ninety percent of the population live below the poverty line. Millions are trying to flee – after resorting to looting and even ransacking garbage trucks to find something edible.
Source: AAN –OTHER SOURCE NAMED IN ARTICLE




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Feb 14, 2020 10:16:38   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
thebigp wrote:
• 02/26/2019
• We all know socialism doesn't work; however, the tendency of history to threaten to repeat itself means it can never be relegated to the dustbin of history – as much as we'd like.

Perhaps Ronald Reagan – an optimist and a realist – said it best:

• Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. The only way they can inherit the freedom we have known is if we fight for it, protect it, defend it, and then hand it to them with the well fought lessons of how they in their lifetime must do the same. And if you and I don't do this, then you and I may well spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it once was like in America when men were free.

Here are some countries that learned socialism doesn’t work the hard way.

Share this list with like-minded friends and neighbors. I guarantee you the far-Left isn’t complacent. Are you?
China By Helsingin Sanomat, Public Domain,
The suffering under Mao Zedong and his “Great Leap Forward” is unimaginable to you and me. Between 40 and 70 million Chinese died during his 27-year reign. So many people and in so many different places that the real number will never be known.
By adopting aspects of the free enterprise system, the People's Republic of China survives to this day. However, political and individual freedoms remain non-existence.
Cambodia A Domino Effect of sorts took place after the U.S. withdrew from Vietnam. The Communist Party in Cambodia installed their regime in 1975, known as the Khmer Rouge. Ultimately, 25 percent of the population was systematically murdered by Pol Pot and his Marxist–Leninist ilk.
Cuba Fidel Castro had a horrid legacy of tyranny and oppression during his lifetime (we hate to break it to you, Michael Moore). Castro opened work camps for homosexuals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and all those he arbitrarily considered “undesirables.” Castro’s legacy is still seen today as the tropical paradise he ruled for five decades seems hopelessly stuck in the 1950s.
North Korea The 22 million citizens of North Korean suffer, not only from an utter lack of individual, economic, and political freedom – but also an abysmal public health record. Between 1994 and 1998 alone, as many as 3,500,000 North Koreans perished from starvation or hunger-related illnesses. On our population basis, that equals 50 million dead Americans. President Trump is trying his best to limit the suffering of the people inside the Hermit Kingdom through his ongoing dialogue with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un.
Poland Poland was occupied by the USSR for nearly half a century and used as a buffer state in case of western aggression.
The USSR first annexed Eastern Poland under an agreement with Adolf Hitler before occupying the entire country in the last year of World War II – the ultimate insult after the Poles lost as many as six million people under Nazi rule.
The Kremlin installed a puppet regime that completely oppressed the Polish people. Finally, a popular uprising led by anti-communist Lech Wałęsa rode a revolutionary wave sweeping Eastern Europe in 1989 that ended more than four decades of tyranny.
Romania The Romanian people were one of the USSR’s hardest hit victims.
The Soviets occupied the country while pushing towards Berlin in the summer of 1944. During most of the Second World War, Romania belonged to the Axis Powers but switched sides once it became evident Nazi Germany couldn't win. The country negotiated an armistice with the Soviets when King Michael circumvented the fascist government to cut a deal.
Soviet historiography called the episode the “Liberation of Romania by the glorious Soviet Army” but Romanians quickly came to loath the Soviet occupation.
A 2006 government commission validated their outrage, estimating the number of direct victims from Communist rule at two million.
U.S.S.R. Under the Tsars the poor of Russia were indescribably poor. Somehow, life got worse under communism. Ultimately, the USSR modernized Russia but at the cost of tens of millions of dead and the near collapse of the entire nation during the darkest days of World War II.
Through he's regarded more favorably than his successor, Vladimir Lenin is responsible for more deaths than Genghis Khan.
And even Ivan the Terrible couldn't imagine wreaking havoc of the scale of Joseph Stalin who sent millions of his own people to Gulags where they faced certain death. The seminal book The Gulag Archipelago tells you everything you need to know about the deplorable conditions.
In one year alone (1932-1933) the Ukraine endured a man-made famine courtesy of Stalin's breakneck industrialization that may have killed seven-and-a-half million people. Other atrocities include the Great Purge and “population transfers.”
Venezuela Venezuela has become a major point of contention in American politics as the country descends into chaos under the Maduro regime. The average Venezuelan citizen has lost 24 pounds due to a starvation diet. Ninety percent of the population live below the poverty line. Millions are trying to flee – after resorting to looting and even ransacking garbage trucks to find something edible.
Source: AAN –OTHER SOURCE NAMED IN ARTICLE



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A list of countries that have tried socialism and it has worked well for them, a population of healthy thriving and productive citizens has been the result of socialism
none none none none none

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Feb 14, 2020 10:57:55   #
Kevyn
 
no propaganda please wrote:
A list of countries that have tried socialism and it has worked well for them, a population of healthy thriving and productive citizens has been the result of socialism
none none none none none

Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, New Zealand and Denmark are all Examples of successful democratic socialist nations. All have citizens who enjoy a higher quality of life, are better educated and live longer than Americans.

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Feb 14, 2020 12:50:40   #
Lonewolf
 
Kevyn wrote:
Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, New Zealand and Denmark are all Examples of successful democratic socialist nations. All have citizens who enjoy a higher quality of life, are better educated and live longer than Americans.


and many of their citizens enjoy more freedom than we do.

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Feb 14, 2020 13:53:03   #
Radiance3
 
thebigp wrote:
• 02/26/2019
• We all know socialism doesn't work; however, the tendency of history to threaten to repeat itself means it can never be relegated to the dustbin of history – as much as we'd like.

Perhaps Ronald Reagan – an optimist and a realist – said it best:

• Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. The only way they can inherit the freedom we have known is if we fight for it, protect it, defend it, and then hand it to them with the well fought lessons of how they in their lifetime must do the same. And if you and I don't do this, then you and I may well spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it once was like in America when men were free.

Here are some countries that learned socialism doesn’t work the hard way.

Share this list with like-minded friends and neighbors. I guarantee you the far-Left isn’t complacent. Are you?
China By Helsingin Sanomat, Public Domain,
The suffering under Mao Zedong and his “Great Leap Forward” is unimaginable to you and me. Between 40 and 70 million Chinese died during his 27-year reign. So many people and in so many different places that the real number will never be known.
By adopting aspects of the free enterprise system, the People's Republic of China survives to this day. However, political and individual freedoms remain non-existence.
Cambodia A Domino Effect of sorts took place after the U.S. withdrew from Vietnam. The Communist Party in Cambodia installed their regime in 1975, known as the Khmer Rouge. Ultimately, 25 percent of the population was systematically murdered by Pol Pot and his Marxist–Leninist ilk.
Cuba Fidel Castro had a horrid legacy of tyranny and oppression during his lifetime (we hate to break it to you, Michael Moore). Castro opened work camps for homosexuals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and all those he arbitrarily considered “undesirables.” Castro’s legacy is still seen today as the tropical paradise he ruled for five decades seems hopelessly stuck in the 1950s.
North Korea The 22 million citizens of North Korean suffer, not only from an utter lack of individual, economic, and political freedom – but also an abysmal public health record. Between 1994 and 1998 alone, as many as 3,500,000 North Koreans perished from starvation or hunger-related illnesses. On our population basis, that equals 50 million dead Americans. President Trump is trying his best to limit the suffering of the people inside the Hermit Kingdom through his ongoing dialogue with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un.
Poland Poland was occupied by the USSR for nearly half a century and used as a buffer state in case of western aggression.
The USSR first annexed Eastern Poland under an agreement with Adolf Hitler before occupying the entire country in the last year of World War II – the ultimate insult after the Poles lost as many as six million people under Nazi rule.
The Kremlin installed a puppet regime that completely oppressed the Polish people. Finally, a popular uprising led by anti-communist Lech Wałęsa rode a revolutionary wave sweeping Eastern Europe in 1989 that ended more than four decades of tyranny.
Romania The Romanian people were one of the USSR’s hardest hit victims.
The Soviets occupied the country while pushing towards Berlin in the summer of 1944. During most of the Second World War, Romania belonged to the Axis Powers but switched sides once it became evident Nazi Germany couldn't win. The country negotiated an armistice with the Soviets when King Michael circumvented the fascist government to cut a deal.
Soviet historiography called the episode the “Liberation of Romania by the glorious Soviet Army” but Romanians quickly came to loath the Soviet occupation.
A 2006 government commission validated their outrage, estimating the number of direct victims from Communist rule at two million.
U.S.S.R. Under the Tsars the poor of Russia were indescribably poor. Somehow, life got worse under communism. Ultimately, the USSR modernized Russia but at the cost of tens of millions of dead and the near collapse of the entire nation during the darkest days of World War II.
Through he's regarded more favorably than his successor, Vladimir Lenin is responsible for more deaths than Genghis Khan.
And even Ivan the Terrible couldn't imagine wreaking havoc of the scale of Joseph Stalin who sent millions of his own people to Gulags where they faced certain death. The seminal book The Gulag Archipelago tells you everything you need to know about the deplorable conditions.
In one year alone (1932-1933) the Ukraine endured a man-made famine courtesy of Stalin's breakneck industrialization that may have killed seven-and-a-half million people. Other atrocities include the Great Purge and “population transfers.”
Venezuela Venezuela has become a major point of contention in American politics as the country descends into chaos under the Maduro regime. The average Venezuelan citizen has lost 24 pounds due to a starvation diet. Ninety percent of the population live below the poverty line. Millions are trying to flee – after resorting to looting and even ransacking garbage trucks to find something edible.
Source: AAN –OTHER SOURCE NAMED IN ARTICLE
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We all know the effects of socialism, almost communism. That is why millions are flocking to the US, illegally, because these bastards are too dumb and lazy to stand and protect their own land from the dictator leaders that they have. E.g. Maduro of Venezuela. He gets so bloated and fat, while his people are hungry and rioting.

These illegals are costing so many innocents among us, sacrificing and feeding these ungrateful bastardos. Now millions are inside already. Please send them home.

We need to completely seal the borders, but radical democrat Congress won't provide funding due to politics. Please get rid of them this Nov. 2020 election.

And please drive those Muslim terrorists, bastard drug dealers, and addicts from our land. Most of them came from the Hispanic countries, Africa, and the Middle East.

NYC is enabling illegals by allowing driver's license, can you believe that? Then they commit crimes against our innocent people. Please remove Cuomo, and that crazy Bill de Blasio. He ruined the used to be beautiful NYC. Now many parts in NYC is similar to Pelosi's San Francisco's filthy city.

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Feb 14, 2020 14:04:17   #
nwtk2007
 
Kevyn wrote:
Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, New Zealand and Denmark are all Examples of successful democratic socialist nations. All have citizens who enjoy a higher quality of life, are better educated and live longer than Americans.


http://www.politico.eu/article/finlands-government-collapses-over-failed-health-care-reform/

Norway has an economy almost totally dependent upon oil and gas. What does a New Green Deal do for their economy??

As for Denmark, growing social problems may be on the horizon for the “world’s happiest country”. Although Denmark’s welfare model seems on paper to provide a sufficient safety net for its citizens, in practice, conditions today threaten to reveal the celebrated welfare state as having effectively been a mere illusion. The official website for Denmark describes its national welfare model as a system which aspires to make this the sort of country described by writer N.F.S. Grundtvig: a country in which “few have too much and fewer too little.” Denmark continues to serve as an admirable model of an effective welfare state; however, its welfare system is undergoing substantial and fundamental changes that have yet to be adequately addressed. Although Danish society claims to uphold the basic principles of a welfare state – solidarity among citizens and provisions for the needy – in practice, public discourse and government policies have been creating a more libertarian, individualistic model that strays from its founding principles. Until the Danish people stop moralizing about solidarity and acknowledge the changing nature of their welfare system, Denmark’s poor and excluded will grow in number to fill this dangerously widening gap between perception and practice.

New Zealand has an ever widening gap between the rich and the poor, not to mention other issues: http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/7534-roy-morgan-problems-facing%20new-zealand-february-2018-201803152343

And, you said Denmark twice!

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Feb 15, 2020 17:10:35   #
robjohn
 
Often heard by the socialist midgets like Bernie is that much of northern Europe has tried and is successfully living in a socialist economic environment. Those countries usually included in this group are Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Germany...to a lesser extent. Many of those countries, especially Sweden and Finland, have been working hard to return to less government owned businesses, and more privately owned businesses to improve the quality of the lives of their people. And ask ANYONE from those countries (and Britain)what they think of their wonderful government provided health services! Rotten services, impossible wait times (often months), limited quality of services offered if offered, bureaucratic decision making on whether you can receive the service needed...or simply wait for death, etc.,etc.

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Feb 16, 2020 08:50:25   #
promilitary
 
Kevyn wrote:
Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, New Zealand and Denmark are all Examples of successful democratic socialist nations. All have citizens who enjoy a higher quality of life, are better educated and live longer than Americans.



Been to all of those countries except New Zealand. Have friends in Sweden and Denmark. those
in Sweden report that they have a real serious Muslim problem.

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Feb 16, 2020 08:52:01   #
promilitary
 
thebigp wrote:
• 02/26/2019
• We all know socialism doesn't work; however, the tendency of history to threaten to repeat itself means it can never be relegated to the dustbin of history – as much as we'd like.

Perhaps Ronald Reagan – an optimist and a realist – said it best:

• Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. The only way they can inherit the freedom we have known is if we fight for it, protect it, defend it, and then hand it to them with the well fought lessons of how they in their lifetime must do the same. And if you and I don't do this, then you and I may well spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it once was like in America when men were free.

Here are some countries that learned socialism doesn’t work the hard way.

Share this list with like-minded friends and neighbors. I guarantee you the far-Left isn’t complacent. Are you?
China By Helsingin Sanomat, Public Domain,
The suffering under Mao Zedong and his “Great Leap Forward” is unimaginable to you and me. Between 40 and 70 million Chinese died during his 27-year reign. So many people and in so many different places that the real number will never be known.
By adopting aspects of the free enterprise system, the People's Republic of China survives to this day. However, political and individual freedoms remain non-existence.
Cambodia A Domino Effect of sorts took place after the U.S. withdrew from Vietnam. The Communist Party in Cambodia installed their regime in 1975, known as the Khmer Rouge. Ultimately, 25 percent of the population was systematically murdered by Pol Pot and his Marxist–Leninist ilk.
Cuba Fidel Castro had a horrid legacy of tyranny and oppression during his lifetime (we hate to break it to you, Michael Moore). Castro opened work camps for homosexuals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and all those he arbitrarily considered “undesirables.” Castro’s legacy is still seen today as the tropical paradise he ruled for five decades seems hopelessly stuck in the 1950s.
North Korea The 22 million citizens of North Korean suffer, not only from an utter lack of individual, economic, and political freedom – but also an abysmal public health record. Between 1994 and 1998 alone, as many as 3,500,000 North Koreans perished from starvation or hunger-related illnesses. On our population basis, that equals 50 million dead Americans. President Trump is trying his best to limit the suffering of the people inside the Hermit Kingdom through his ongoing dialogue with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un.
Poland Poland was occupied by the USSR for nearly half a century and used as a buffer state in case of western aggression.
The USSR first annexed Eastern Poland under an agreement with Adolf Hitler before occupying the entire country in the last year of World War II – the ultimate insult after the Poles lost as many as six million people under Nazi rule.
The Kremlin installed a puppet regime that completely oppressed the Polish people. Finally, a popular uprising led by anti-communist Lech Wałęsa rode a revolutionary wave sweeping Eastern Europe in 1989 that ended more than four decades of tyranny.
Romania The Romanian people were one of the USSR’s hardest hit victims.
The Soviets occupied the country while pushing towards Berlin in the summer of 1944. During most of the Second World War, Romania belonged to the Axis Powers but switched sides once it became evident Nazi Germany couldn't win. The country negotiated an armistice with the Soviets when King Michael circumvented the fascist government to cut a deal.
Soviet historiography called the episode the “Liberation of Romania by the glorious Soviet Army” but Romanians quickly came to loath the Soviet occupation.
A 2006 government commission validated their outrage, estimating the number of direct victims from Communist rule at two million.
U.S.S.R. Under the Tsars the poor of Russia were indescribably poor. Somehow, life got worse under communism. Ultimately, the USSR modernized Russia but at the cost of tens of millions of dead and the near collapse of the entire nation during the darkest days of World War II.
Through he's regarded more favorably than his successor, Vladimir Lenin is responsible for more deaths than Genghis Khan.
And even Ivan the Terrible couldn't imagine wreaking havoc of the scale of Joseph Stalin who sent millions of his own people to Gulags where they faced certain death. The seminal book The Gulag Archipelago tells you everything you need to know about the deplorable conditions.
In one year alone (1932-1933) the Ukraine endured a man-made famine courtesy of Stalin's breakneck industrialization that may have killed seven-and-a-half million people. Other atrocities include the Great Purge and “population transfers.”
Venezuela Venezuela has become a major point of contention in American politics as the country descends into chaos under the Maduro regime. The average Venezuelan citizen has lost 24 pounds due to a starvation diet. Ninety percent of the population live below the poverty line. Millions are trying to flee – after resorting to looting and even ransacking garbage trucks to find something edible.
Source: AAN –OTHER SOURCE NAMED IN ARTICLE



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Bernie needs to by ANOTHER house, in Russia, and move there. Be interesting to see
how long his rants are tolerated there. His next residence would be in Sibera.

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