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Feb 3, 2020 17:02:20   #
thebigp
 
By Andrew OReilly and John Roberts January 29, 2020—LIFE AND LIBERTY
President Trump on Tuesday called for a two-state solution to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, as he unveiled the details of his administration’s much-awaited Middle East peace plan.
Trump announced the proposal alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during remarks in the East Room of the White House.
“My vision presents a win-win situation for both sides,” Trump said. “Today Israel has taken a giant step toward peace.”
He later tweeted a map of the proposed State of Palestine.
While Trump and Netanyahu praised the plan as a way toward ending the decades-long conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians, odds of the peace plan taking shape are long given that the Palestinians have preemptively rejected the plan.
“This is a great deal,” Trump said. “And the Palestinians may not have this opportunity ever again.”
Trump acknowledged he’s setting out toward a goal that has eluded every U.S. president in modern times but claimed those prior efforts were too vague and short on critical details. Trump declared his plan is “the most detailed proposal ever put forward.”
“All prior administrations from President Lyndon Johnson have tried and failed,” Trump said. “In the past, even the most well-intentioned plans were light on details.”
Trump added: “There is nothing tougher than this one, we have an obligation to humanity to get it done.”
Netanyahu, who faces a tough re-e******n in March amid a corruption scandal, used his time on the dais to praise Trump’s plan and how it benefited Israeli sovereignty and security. The Israeli leader added that past deals had not had the “right balance between Israeli security and Palestinians aspirations.”
“You have charted a brilliant future for Israelis and Palestinians toward a lasting peace,” he said. “For decades that peace has proved elusive.”
He added: “It’s a great plan for Israel, it’s a great plan for peace.”
White House officials described the plan as realistic and said Israel is prepared to act. According to White House officials, the plan calls for a two-state solution including the state of Israel and the “future” state of Palestine. Under the plan, the Palestinians would have to reach certain benchmarks to achieve a state. Those benchmarks include rooting out terrorism, stopping what they call “pay to slay,” implementing steps toward free speech, and other political reforms.
The plan is a basis for negotiations with Israel, Trump officials said, claiming many of the Palestinians’ red lines are met, including their calls for a Palestinian state and a capital in parts of East Jerusalem.
The vision calls for more than doubling the amount of territory the Palestinians control.
“This plan will double Palestinian territory and set the capital of the Palestinian state in eastern Jerusalem where the United States will happily open an embassy,” Trump said. “Our vision will end the cycle of Palestinian dependence on charity and foreign aid.”
The plan also includes a map of a contiguous Palestinian state in the West Bank, with a proposed tunnel to connect the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There would also be land swaps south of Gaza to give the Palestinians more territory.
This is the first time Israel has agreed to a Palestinian state with defined borders.
A small strip of land between the Egyptian border and the proposed land swap areas south of Gaza would remain Israeli territory and be subject to Israeli security control. This was requested by Egypt as a buffer against cross-border terrorism.
As part of the plan, Israel has agreed to halt settlement construction for four years. But in one detail sure to provoke Palestinian objections, the plan recognizes Israeli sovereignty over major settlement blocs in the West Bank.
The plan calls for a demilitarized Palestinian state. Israel would maintain overall security, though it does create programs for the Palestinians to show the capability to secure their areas, including a local police force. The more the Palestinians show they can secure their areas and cooperate with Israel, the less Israel will have to do in terms of maintaining security, officials said.
Israel would maintain sovereignty of the Jordan Valley east of the West Bank, according to the proposal. Israel would also maintain the security of the area.
There is a plan that over time, Palestinians would be able to achieve some civil sovereignty in the Jordan Valley, like farming, officials said.
While the Palestinians have been negative toward the plan, White House officials said Trump believes they will begin to move toward it.
Both Netanyahu and his political challenger, Benny Gantz, have agreed to implement this plan, regardless of the outcome of the upcoming March 2 e******n.
The officials portrayed the plan as Israel agreeing to massive concessions without jeopardizing its security, amounting to a serious good-faith effort that Israel has agreed to negotiate. The officials said the plan is realistic and Israel is prepared to follow through with it.
They also argue that the Trump administration’s moves to relocate the embassy and recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan were important confidence-building measures that led to this plan.
The Palestinians, though, refuse to even speak to Trump, saying he’s biased in favor of Israel, and they are calling on Arab representatives to reject the Tuesday event at the White House. While Trump and Netanyahu were giving their comments, Palestinian leaders were meeting in the West Bank to discuss the plan.
The Palestinian leadership also has encouraged protests in the West Bank, raising fears that the announcement in Washington could spark a new round of violence. Ahead of the announcement, the Israeli military said it was reinforcing infantry troops along the Jordan Valley.
Hamas, the Palestinian Sunni-Islamic fundamentalist militant organization that has waged war with Israel for decades, rejected the plan and called it a “theatrical presentation to sell illusions” in a comment to Fox News.
Author: Andrew O’Reilly, John Roberts, LIFE AND LIBERTY-

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Feb 3, 2020 17:05:12   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
thebigp wrote:
By Andrew OReilly and John Roberts January 29, 2020—LIFE AND LIBERTY
President Trump on Tuesday called for a two-state solution to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, as he unveiled the details of his administration’s much-awaited Middle East peace plan.
Trump announced the proposal alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during remarks in the East Room of the White House.
“My vision presents a win-win situation for both sides,” Trump said. “Today Israel has taken a giant step toward peace.”
He later tweeted a map of the proposed State of Palestine.
While Trump and Netanyahu praised the plan as a way toward ending the decades-long conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians, odds of the peace plan taking shape are long given that the Palestinians have preemptively rejected the plan.
“This is a great deal,” Trump said. “And the Palestinians may not have this opportunity ever again.”
Trump acknowledged he’s setting out toward a goal that has eluded every U.S. president in modern times but claimed those prior efforts were too vague and short on critical details. Trump declared his plan is “the most detailed proposal ever put forward.”
“All prior administrations from President Lyndon Johnson have tried and failed,” Trump said. “In the past, even the most well-intentioned plans were light on details.”
Trump added: “There is nothing tougher than this one, we have an obligation to humanity to get it done.”
Netanyahu, who faces a tough re-e******n in March amid a corruption scandal, used his time on the dais to praise Trump’s plan and how it benefited Israeli sovereignty and security. The Israeli leader added that past deals had not had the “right balance between Israeli security and Palestinians aspirations.”
“You have charted a brilliant future for Israelis and Palestinians toward a lasting peace,” he said. “For decades that peace has proved elusive.”
He added: “It’s a great plan for Israel, it’s a great plan for peace.”
White House officials described the plan as realistic and said Israel is prepared to act. According to White House officials, the plan calls for a two-state solution including the state of Israel and the “future” state of Palestine. Under the plan, the Palestinians would have to reach certain benchmarks to achieve a state. Those benchmarks include rooting out terrorism, stopping what they call “pay to slay,” implementing steps toward free speech, and other political reforms.
The plan is a basis for negotiations with Israel, Trump officials said, claiming many of the Palestinians’ red lines are met, including their calls for a Palestinian state and a capital in parts of East Jerusalem.
The vision calls for more than doubling the amount of territory the Palestinians control.
“This plan will double Palestinian territory and set the capital of the Palestinian state in eastern Jerusalem where the United States will happily open an embassy,” Trump said. “Our vision will end the cycle of Palestinian dependence on charity and foreign aid.”
The plan also includes a map of a contiguous Palestinian state in the West Bank, with a proposed tunnel to connect the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There would also be land swaps south of Gaza to give the Palestinians more territory.
This is the first time Israel has agreed to a Palestinian state with defined borders.
A small strip of land between the Egyptian border and the proposed land swap areas south of Gaza would remain Israeli territory and be subject to Israeli security control. This was requested by Egypt as a buffer against cross-border terrorism.
As part of the plan, Israel has agreed to halt settlement construction for four years. But in one detail sure to provoke Palestinian objections, the plan recognizes Israeli sovereignty over major settlement blocs in the West Bank.
The plan calls for a demilitarized Palestinian state. Israel would maintain overall security, though it does create programs for the Palestinians to show the capability to secure their areas, including a local police force. The more the Palestinians show they can secure their areas and cooperate with Israel, the less Israel will have to do in terms of maintaining security, officials said.
Israel would maintain sovereignty of the Jordan Valley east of the West Bank, according to the proposal. Israel would also maintain the security of the area.
There is a plan that over time, Palestinians would be able to achieve some civil sovereignty in the Jordan Valley, like farming, officials said.
While the Palestinians have been negative toward the plan, White House officials said Trump believes they will begin to move toward it.
Both Netanyahu and his political challenger, Benny Gantz, have agreed to implement this plan, regardless of the outcome of the upcoming March 2 e******n.
The officials portrayed the plan as Israel agreeing to massive concessions without jeopardizing its security, amounting to a serious good-faith effort that Israel has agreed to negotiate. The officials said the plan is realistic and Israel is prepared to follow through with it.
They also argue that the Trump administration’s moves to relocate the embassy and recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan were important confidence-building measures that led to this plan.
The Palestinians, though, refuse to even speak to Trump, saying he’s biased in favor of Israel, and they are calling on Arab representatives to reject the Tuesday event at the White House. While Trump and Netanyahu were giving their comments, Palestinian leaders were meeting in the West Bank to discuss the plan.
The Palestinian leadership also has encouraged protests in the West Bank, raising fears that the announcement in Washington could spark a new round of violence. Ahead of the announcement, the Israeli military said it was reinforcing infantry troops along the Jordan Valley.
Hamas, the Palestinian Sunni-Islamic fundamentalist militant organization that has waged war with Israel for decades, rejected the plan and called it a “theatrical presentation to sell illusions” in a comment to Fox News.
Author: Andrew O’Reilly, John Roberts, LIFE AND LIBERTY-
By Andrew OReilly and John Roberts January 29, 202... (show quote)


We will see.

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Feb 3, 2020 18:38:56   #
Sicilianthing
 
thebigp wrote:
By Andrew OReilly and John Roberts January 29, 2020—LIFE AND LIBERTY
President Trump on Tuesday called for a two-state solution to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, as he unveiled the details of his administration’s much-awaited Middle East peace plan.
Trump announced the proposal alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during remarks in the East Room of the White House.
“My vision presents a win-win situation for both sides,” Trump said. “Today Israel has taken a giant step toward peace.”
He later tweeted a map of the proposed State of Palestine.
While Trump and Netanyahu praised the plan as a way toward ending the decades-long conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians, odds of the peace plan taking shape are long given that the Palestinians have preemptively rejected the plan.
“This is a great deal,” Trump said. “And the Palestinians may not have this opportunity ever again.”
Trump acknowledged he’s setting out toward a goal that has eluded every U.S. president in modern times but claimed those prior efforts were too vague and short on critical details. Trump declared his plan is “the most detailed proposal ever put forward.”
“All prior administrations from President Lyndon Johnson have tried and failed,” Trump said. “In the past, even the most well-intentioned plans were light on details.”
Trump added: “There is nothing tougher than this one, we have an obligation to humanity to get it done.”
Netanyahu, who faces a tough re-e******n in March amid a corruption scandal, used his time on the dais to praise Trump’s plan and how it benefited Israeli sovereignty and security. The Israeli leader added that past deals had not had the “right balance between Israeli security and Palestinians aspirations.”
“You have charted a brilliant future for Israelis and Palestinians toward a lasting peace,” he said. “For decades that peace has proved elusive.”
He added: “It’s a great plan for Israel, it’s a great plan for peace.”
White House officials described the plan as realistic and said Israel is prepared to act. According to White House officials, the plan calls for a two-state solution including the state of Israel and the “future” state of Palestine. Under the plan, the Palestinians would have to reach certain benchmarks to achieve a state. Those benchmarks include rooting out terrorism, stopping what they call “pay to slay,” implementing steps toward free speech, and other political reforms.
The plan is a basis for negotiations with Israel, Trump officials said, claiming many of the Palestinians’ red lines are met, including their calls for a Palestinian state and a capital in parts of East Jerusalem.
The vision calls for more than doubling the amount of territory the Palestinians control.
“This plan will double Palestinian territory and set the capital of the Palestinian state in eastern Jerusalem where the United States will happily open an embassy,” Trump said. “Our vision will end the cycle of Palestinian dependence on charity and foreign aid.”
The plan also includes a map of a contiguous Palestinian state in the West Bank, with a proposed tunnel to connect the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There would also be land swaps south of Gaza to give the Palestinians more territory.
This is the first time Israel has agreed to a Palestinian state with defined borders.
A small strip of land between the Egyptian border and the proposed land swap areas south of Gaza would remain Israeli territory and be subject to Israeli security control. This was requested by Egypt as a buffer against cross-border terrorism.
As part of the plan, Israel has agreed to halt settlement construction for four years. But in one detail sure to provoke Palestinian objections, the plan recognizes Israeli sovereignty over major settlement blocs in the West Bank.
The plan calls for a demilitarized Palestinian state. Israel would maintain overall security, though it does create programs for the Palestinians to show the capability to secure their areas, including a local police force. The more the Palestinians show they can secure their areas and cooperate with Israel, the less Israel will have to do in terms of maintaining security, officials said.
Israel would maintain sovereignty of the Jordan Valley east of the West Bank, according to the proposal. Israel would also maintain the security of the area.
There is a plan that over time, Palestinians would be able to achieve some civil sovereignty in the Jordan Valley, like farming, officials said.
While the Palestinians have been negative toward the plan, White House officials said Trump believes they will begin to move toward it.
Both Netanyahu and his political challenger, Benny Gantz, have agreed to implement this plan, regardless of the outcome of the upcoming March 2 e******n.
The officials portrayed the plan as Israel agreeing to massive concessions without jeopardizing its security, amounting to a serious good-faith effort that Israel has agreed to negotiate. The officials said the plan is realistic and Israel is prepared to follow through with it.
They also argue that the Trump administration’s moves to relocate the embassy and recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan were important confidence-building measures that led to this plan.
The Palestinians, though, refuse to even speak to Trump, saying he’s biased in favor of Israel, and they are calling on Arab representatives to reject the Tuesday event at the White House. While Trump and Netanyahu were giving their comments, Palestinian leaders were meeting in the West Bank to discuss the plan.
The Palestinian leadership also has encouraged protests in the West Bank, raising fears that the announcement in Washington could spark a new round of violence. Ahead of the announcement, the Israeli military said it was reinforcing infantry troops along the Jordan Valley.
Hamas, the Palestinian Sunni-Islamic fundamentalist militant organization that has waged war with Israel for decades, rejected the plan and called it a “theatrical presentation to sell illusions” in a comment to Fox News.
Author: Andrew O’Reilly, John Roberts, LIFE AND LIBERTY-
By Andrew OReilly and John Roberts January 29, 202... (show quote)


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Israel first... not America



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Feb 3, 2020 18:40:54   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
We will see.


Exactly.

Hamas doesn't want it and still won't accept the state of Israel as having a legitimate claim to the areas. Neighboring Arab states such as Jordan need to put pressure on the Palestinians to accept the deal but I don't foresee a peaceful existence under the current leadership of Hamas and support from outside BDS influences their cause.

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Feb 3, 2020 18:43:54   #
Sicilianthing
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Exactly.

Hamas doesn't want it and still won't accept the state of Israel as having a legitimate claim to the areas. Neighboring Arab states such as Jordan need to put pressure on the Palestinians to accept the deal but I don't foresee a peaceful existence under the current leadership of Hamas and the outside influences supporting their cause.


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Muslims and CryptoJews will never live side by side...

Christians and Muslims will never live long term together...

CryptoJews, Muslim Scumbags and Christians will all war with each other soon.

Isn’t it beautiful what’s coming because t*****rs of past created all these scenarios for the stupid sheeple today ?

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Feb 3, 2020 19:01:00   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Muslims and CryptoJews will never live side by side...

Christians and Muslims will never live long term together...

CryptoJews, Muslim Scumbags and Christians will all war with each other soon.

Isn’t it beautiful what’s coming because t*****rs of past created all these scenarios for the stupid sheeple today ?


Why so negative ALL the time? Maybe you should stop reading the news and just go on about your life. Ignorance is bliss after all. I'm not really hearing any constructive ideas to make things better coming for you.

The United States is still one place where people of different religions, ethnicities, and nationalities can live in relative peace side by side unless they have a neighbor continually advocating h**e and dissension. All is not lost. This is what American exceptionalism is. Time for the Democratic party to eliminate the use of hyphenated Americans that keep us all divided.

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Feb 3, 2020 19:30:05   #
Sicilianthing
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Why so negative ALL the time? Maybe you should stop reading the news and just go on about your life. Ignorance is bliss after all. I'm not really hearing any constructive ideas to make things better coming for you.

The United States is still one place where people of different religions, ethnicities, and nationalities can live in relative peace side by side unless they have a neighbor continually advocating h**e and dissension. All is not lost. This is what American exceptionalism is. Time for the Democratic party to eliminate the use of hyphenated Americans that keep us all divided.
Why so negative ALL the time? Maybe you should st... (show quote)


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Do not replace reality with negativism...

The reason I state these things is to continually remind that no matter what you see in D.C. or the White House today, nothing has actually changed.

Notice how there will be no peace deal and if there ever is one it will end in bombings and mass murder again.

If you return to the Balfour declaration you can find the usual suspect perpetrators at work... all man made agitators, agent provocateurs and worse...

They spawned it, packaged it, previous administrations sold it to you and your stupid ancestors and ya’ll bought it !

Are you ALL IN with this insanity that has nothing to do with America? Instead the usual suspects above brought it to America and made it our problem ?

The founders warned you of such foreign entanglements...

Major here on OPP can explain it so much better than me.

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Feb 4, 2020 16:14:12   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>

Do not replace reality with negativism...

The reason I state these things is to continually remind that no matter what you see in D.C. or the White House today, nothing has actually changed.

Notice how there will be no peace deal and if there ever is one it will end in bombings and mass murder again.

If you return to the Balfour declaration you can find the usual suspect perpetrators at work... all man made agitators, agent provocateurs and worse...

They spawned it, packaged it, previous administrations sold it to you and your stupid ancestors and ya’ll bought it !

Are you ALL IN with this insanity that has nothing to do with America? Instead the usual suspects above brought it to America and made it our problem ?

The founders warned you of such foreign entanglements...

Major here on OPP can explain it so much better than me.
>>> br br Do not replace reality with ne... (show quote)


They did. To make it simple really simple think of the old tv show NCIS when they still had the Israeli girl on it. She was a stone-cold k**ler, but you wouldn't know that to look at her. muzzies the same thing, they start training their kids when they are 5 or 6. Hamas, Palestine all k**lers. Mix them together and what do you get? A really big MOAB?

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Feb 4, 2020 16:18:37   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>

Do not replace reality with negativism...

The reason I state these things is to continually remind that no matter what you see in D.C. or the White House today, nothing has actually changed.

Notice how there will be no peace deal and if there ever is one it will end in bombings and mass murder again.

If you return to the Balfour declaration you can find the usual suspect perpetrators at work... all man made agitators, agent provocateurs and worse...

They spawned it, packaged it, previous administrations sold it to you and your stupid ancestors and ya’ll bought it !

Are you ALL IN with this insanity that has nothing to do with America? Instead the usual suspects above brought it to America and made it our problem ?

The founders warned you of such foreign entanglements...

Major here on OPP can explain it so much better than me.
>>> br br Do not replace reality with ne... (show quote)


They did. To make it simple really simple think of the old tv show NCIS when they still had the Israeli girl on it. She was a stone-cold k**ler, but you wouldn't know that to look at her. muzzies the same thing, they start training their kids when they are 5 or 6. Hamas, Palestine all k**lers. Mix them together and what do you get? A really big MOAB?

Reply
Feb 4, 2020 16:30:32   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>

Do not replace reality with negativism...

The reason I state these things is to continually remind that no matter what you see in D.C. or the White House today, nothing has actually changed.

Notice how there will be no peace deal and if there ever is one it will end in bombings and mass murder again.

If you return to the Balfour declaration you can find the usual suspect perpetrators at work... all man made agitators, agent provocateurs and worse...

They spawned it, packaged it, previous administrations sold it to you and your stupid ancestors and ya’ll bought it !

Are you ALL IN with this insanity that has nothing to do with America? Instead the usual suspects above brought it to America and made it our problem ?

The founders warned you of such foreign entanglements...

Major here on OPP can explain it so much better than me.
>>> br br Do not replace reality with ne... (show quote)


That is exactly what I am trying to do; to not let negativity replace reality.

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Feb 4, 2020 16:30:34   #
Sicilianthing
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
They did. To make it simple really simple think of the old tv show NCIS when they still had the Israeli girl on it. She was a stone-cold k**ler, but you wouldn't know that to look at her. muzzies the same thing, they start training their kids when they are 5 or 6. Hamas, Palestine all k**lers. Mix them together and what do you get? A really big MOAB?


>>>

Man YOU NAILED it Rob...

Sir YES Sir !

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Feb 4, 2020 16:32:07   #
Sicilianthing
 
dtucker300 wrote:
That is exactly what I am trying to do; to not let negativity replace reality.


>>>

Noted I mean I really try not to be negative but there ain’t much good goin on right now with this whole picture and we’re constantly surrounded by negative MSM crap and worse.

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Feb 4, 2020 16:46:08   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>

Noted I mean I really try not to be negative but there ain’t much good goin on right now with this whole picture and we’re constantly surrounded by negative MSM crap and worse.



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