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Feb 3, 2020 04:29:29   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
I've been thinking about the reasons for supporting authoritarian figures in government and I believe I have a reason for Trump's advocates giving him such unwavering support. Here goes:
I believe that there is a direct correlation between supporting authoritarian figures in government based on how deeply religious a person is. Since most (if not all) religion is based on authoritarian figures (God, Jehovah, Mohammed), the depth of your religiosity can greatly influence your choice of your head of government.

As usual, your mileage may vary, but I would ask you to examine your own beliefs and see if this isn't true.

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Feb 3, 2020 04:37:59   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
whitnebrat wrote:
I've been thinking about the reasons for supporting authoritarian figures in government and I believe I have a reason for Trump's advocates giving him such unwavering support. Here goes:
I believe that there is a direct correlation between supporting authoritarian figures in government based on how deeply religious a person is. Since most (if not all) religion is based on authoritarian figures (God, Jehovah, Mohammed), the depth of your religiosity can greatly influence your choice of your head of government.

As usual, your mileage may vary, but I would ask you to examine your own beliefs and see if this isn't true.
I've been thinking about the reasons for supportin... (show quote)


Have nothing to do with religion , but more with his policies!! I don't agree with everything he says,but I agree with his immigration policies,his economic policies and some of his foreign policies!!!?

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Feb 3, 2020 04:39:45   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Ever considered the possibility that because being president is the top Administrative position in the United States, the CEO, i.e., the top Executive of the United States government, - the man filling that position should have years of successfully being an administrator under his belt?

How about that for a desired prerequisite to holding the position?

It is a qualification every candidate should be able to check off to even be considered.

That is common sense!


whitnebrat wrote:
I've been thinking about the reasons for supporting authoritarian figures in government and I believe I have a reason for Trump's advocates giving him such unwavering support. Here goes:
I believe that there is a direct correlation between supporting authoritarian figures in government based on how deeply religious a person is. Since most (if not all) religion is based on authoritarian figures (God, Jehovah, Mohammed), the depth of your religiosity can greatly influence your choice of your head of government.

As usual, your mileage may vary, but I would ask you to examine your own beliefs and see if this isn't true.
I've been thinking about the reasons for supportin... (show quote)

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Feb 3, 2020 04:42:29   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
proud republican wrote:
Have nothing to do with religion , but more with his policies!! I don't agree with everything he says,but I agree with his immigration policies,his economic policies and some of his foreign policies!!!?


OK, but at a basic level, do you support an authoritarian figure (such as Trump) as just a governmental figure, not necessarily on their ideas and policies? I say that as having to do with the implementation of those policies, not on the ideas themselves. Do they just implement them without any discourse, or do they allow discussion and modification of those ideas?

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Feb 3, 2020 04:45:15   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
Zemirah wrote:
Ever considered the possibility that because being president is the top Administrative position in the United States, the CEO, i.e., the top Executive of the United States government, - the man filling that position should have years of successfully being an administrator under his belt?

How about that for a desired prerequisite to holding the position?

It is a qualification every candidate should be able to check off to even be considered.

That is common sense!


Ummmm .... a number of bankruptcies and failed businesses doesn't qualify as "years of successfully being an administrator" in my book. And I agree that they should have that administrative experience, so long as it is proven to be successful and verifiable.

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Feb 3, 2020 04:46:07   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
whitnebrat wrote:
OK, but at a basic level, do you support an authoritarian figure (such as Trump) as just a governmental figure, not necessarily on their ideas and policies? I say that as having to do with the implementation of those policies, not on the ideas themselves. Do they just implement them without any discourse, or do they allow discussion and modification of those ideas?


Please explain how he is an authoritarian President???

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Feb 3, 2020 04:49:12   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
proud republican wrote:
Please explain how he is an authoritarian President???


"I am the only one that can fix it!"
Surrounding one's self with nothing but 'yes' men and women.
Brooking no dissent from what the leader says.
Denigrating one's opponents with gutter rhetoric.
And the list goes on ...

Basically it boils down to "what the boss says, goes. No if's, and's or buts."

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Feb 3, 2020 04:53:24   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
whitnebrat wrote:
"I am the only one that can fix it!"
Surrounding one's self with nothing but 'yes' men and women.
Brooking no dissent from what the leader says.
Denigrating one's opponents with gutter rhetoric.
And the list goes on ...

Basically it boils down to "what the boss says, goes. No if's, and's or buts."


That's not what Authoritarian regime is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism

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Feb 3, 2020 05:03:13   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
proud republican wrote:
That's not what Authoritarian regime is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism


In my humble opinion, the four pillars of authoritarianism are met by this administration, as set forth in that article.

"1. Limited political pluralism, realized with constraints on the legislature, political parties, and interest groups;"
The constraints placed on the legislature in terms of legislative oversight, the complete domination of the political party, and the takeover of many interest groups qualifies.

"2.Political legitimacy based upon appeals to emotion, and identification of the regime as a necessary evil to combat "easily recognizable societal problems, such as underdevelopment, and insurgency";
Anyone who has seen or attended a Trump rally has to attest to the emotional content of the rhetoric and mob thinking that is embodied therein. The continuous fight against the "deep state" also qualifies.

"3.Minimal political mobilization and suppression of anti-regime activities;"
This is the one pillar that may not qualify here, since the MAGA crowd is fired up and attacking any opponent that dares raise their head. Any dissent within the party is quashed quite quickly.

"4.Ill-defined executive powers, often vague and shifting, which extends the power of the executive."
"I can do anything I want." 'nuf said.

Seems to fit the mold ...

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Feb 3, 2020 05:05:43   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
This is one of those times that I wish we had a chat room such as existed back on the old AOL. Swapping posts is a little awkward at times.

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Feb 3, 2020 06:10:37   #
American Vet
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Ummmm .... a number of bankruptcies and failed businesses doesn't qualify as "years of successfully being an administrator" in my book. And I agree that they should have that administrative experience, so long as it is proven to be successful and verifiable.


Perhaps you need to read another book.

Failed businesses and bankruptcies are part of the business cycle. They are often used by companies as part of their business plan.

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Feb 3, 2020 06:15:22   #
American Vet
 
whitnebrat wrote:
I've been thinking about the reasons for supporting authoritarian figures in government and I believe I have a reason for Trump's advocates giving him such unwavering support. Here goes:
I believe that there is a direct correlation between supporting authoritarian figures in government based on how deeply religious a person is. Since most (if not all) religion is based on authoritarian figures (God, Jehovah, Mohammed), the depth of your religiosity can greatly influence your choice of your head of government.

As usual, your mileage may vary, but I would ask you to examine your own beliefs and see if this isn't true.
I've been thinking about the reasons for supportin... (show quote)


You might consider that the people who support President Trump are primarily hard-working 'average' Americans who see the system is not woking for them any longer, but instead focusing on 'alphabet groups' and identity politics.

So their reaction is to support someone who is not part of the current political cabal (both Democrat and Republican) and who has said he would 'Make America Great Again'......President Trump's e******n was a 'revolution' of sorts.

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Feb 3, 2020 06:38:26   #
Big dog
 
whitnebrat wrote:
I've been thinking about the reasons for supporting authoritarian figures in government and I believe I have a reason for Trump's advocates giving him such unwavering support. Here goes:
I believe that there is a direct correlation between supporting authoritarian figures in government based on how deeply religious a person is. Since most (if not all) religion is based on authoritarian figures (God, Jehovah, Mohammed), the depth of your religiosity can greatly influence your choice of your head of government.

As usual, your mileage may vary, but I would ask you to examine your own beliefs and see if this isn't true.
I've been thinking about the reasons for supportin... (show quote)


Wrong, it’s all about our Constitution. And that starts with the second amendment. Every single dementiacrat wants to take away our right to keep and bear arms. Start there and you might be able to follow the path.
I wanted Ted Cruz, but he didn’t get in.
Constitution, got it ??

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Feb 3, 2020 07:46:05   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
whitnebrat wrote:
I've been thinking about the reasons for supporting authoritarian figures in government and I believe I have a reason for Trump's advocates giving him such unwavering support. Here goes:
I believe that there is a direct correlation between supporting authoritarian figures in government based on how deeply religious a person is. Since most (if not all) religion is based on authoritarian figures (God, Jehovah, Mohammed), the depth of your religiosity can greatly influence your choice of your head of government.

As usual, your mileage may vary, but I would ask you to examine your own beliefs and see if this isn't true.
I've been thinking about the reasons for supportin... (show quote)


There might be something to this but for the most part, we like his stance on the issues and his efforts to keep campaign promises.

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Feb 3, 2020 08:57:26   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
So Obama attracted deeply religious people? There’s too many but not that many Muslims in America. Yet.
whitnebrat wrote:
I've been thinking about the reasons for supporting authoritarian figures in government and I believe I have a reason for Trump's advocates giving him such unwavering support. Here goes:
I believe that there is a direct correlation between supporting authoritarian figures in government based on how deeply religious a person is. Since most (if not all) religion is based on authoritarian figures (God, Jehovah, Mohammed), the depth of your religiosity can greatly influence your choice of your head of government.

As usual, your mileage may vary, but I would ask you to examine your own beliefs and see if this isn't true.
I've been thinking about the reasons for supportin... (show quote)

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