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Jun 22, 2014 17:10:05   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
maelstrom wrote:
Blaming one party over the next is a wast of time and unproductive. Do you think the fall of the Roman Empire was the fault of the peasants in the streets?


America Only-believe you are correct and it is not one party's fault but both parties are at fault. The problem is an unbalanced budget year after year and a massive national debt. We have been privileged to kick the can down the road for years only because the Dollar has been the World Reserve Currency for some time. The dollar has been accepted everywhere and trading has been done in dollars. So we have been able to crank up the printing presses and flood the world with dollars without having to produce goods and services equal to the amount we spend. Other countries who hold our debt are becoming worried that we are not serious about controlling debt and that they could be left holding the bag with trillions in useless paper dollars. Therefore, the have taken action on two fronts. 1. They are converting dollars to gold and are bringing home the gold they have stored in other countries. 2. They are forming trade alliances among themselves (i.e. China/Russia, China/India ,etc) and are trading in their own currencies. The objective is to replace the dollar as the world reserve currency with something else which has not been determined as yet. If/When that happens we will be in a world of hurts because now we will have to turn off the printing presses . The country will in effect be flat broke because we print some 65billion per month just to keep operating. The charade will be over and we will have to face reality. Where will be money come from for all the government checks that go out to millions of people each month ? Other countries who have not controlled their debts have experienced this already and there was r**ting throughout. Why do we not think it can happen here ? The fact is that our elected officials are aware of this but are too weak and inept to do anything about it. Any time someone suggests trimming the fat and controlling spending he/she is labeled as an extremist. I challenge anyone posting here to name one democrat in congress who has ever advocated for a balanced budget or reducing the national debt . Of the 535 members of congress only one has ever submitted a budget that would balance in 10 years (Paul Ryan). With the same people running the country what are the chances of us avoiding a potential disaster ? What we need to do will not please many if any of our citizens but we have to start somewhere. With democrats in charge reduced spending and balanced budgets will not happen. The last democrat president with a balance budget was Bill Clinton and the budget was balanced by the then
Speaker of the House New Gingrich and the Contract with America . What do you think we should do ? Good Luck America !!!

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Jun 22, 2014 17:12:43   #
emarine
 
Patty wrote:
Something else sends a big red f**g up also and that is all the bankers deaths lately. What, 2 Rockefellers died an untimely death in the last 2 weeks.
People with unlimited resource don't k**l themselves by hurling themselves over highway fences and down an embankment, shoot themselves 8 times in the head and torso with a nail gun or jump out of windows when the offices are closed.


If these events weren't so spooky it would make a good book, It would be interesting to know what these guy's had on their mind's on the way out.

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Jun 22, 2014 17:20:53   #
emarine
 
Ricko wrote:
America Only-believe you are correct and it is not one party's fault but both parties are at fault. The problem is an unbalanced budget year after year and a massive national debt. We have been privileged to kick the can down the road for years only because the Dollar has been the World Reserve Currency for some time. The dollar has been accepted everywhere and trading has been done in dollars. So we have been able to crank up the printing presses and flood the world with dollars without having to produce goods and services equal to the amount we spend. Other countries who hold our debt are becoming worried that we are not serious about controlling debt and that they could be left holding the bag with trillions in useless paper dollars. Therefore, the have taken action on two fronts. 1. They are converting dollars to gold and are bringing home the gold they have stored in other countries. 2. They are forming trade alliances among themselves (i.e. China/Russia, China/India ,etc) and are trading in their own currencies. The objective is to replace the dollar as the world reserve currency with something else which has not been determined as yet. If/When that happens we will be in a world of hurts because now we will have to turn off the printing presses . The country will in effect be flat broke because we print some 65billion per month just to keep operating. The charade will be over and we will have to face reality. Where will be money come from for all the government checks that go out to millions of people each month ? Other countries who have not controlled their debts have experienced this already and there was r**ting throughout. Why do we not think it can happen here ? The fact is that our elected officials are aware of this but are too weak and inept to do anything about it. Any time someone suggests trimming the fat and controlling spending he/she is labeled as an extremist. I challenge anyone posting here to name one democrat in congress who has ever advocated for a balanced budget or reducing the national debt . Of the 535 members of congress only one has ever submitted a budget that would balance in 10 years (Paul Ryan). With the same people running the country what are the chances of us avoiding a potential disaster ? What we need to do will not please many if any of our citizens but we have to start somewhere. With democrats in charge reduced spending and balanced budgets will not happen. The last democrat president with a balance budget was Bill Clinton and the budget was balanced by the then
Speaker of the House New Gingrich and the Contract with America . What do you think we should do ? Good Luck America !!!
America Only-believe you are correct and it is not... (show quote)


Well in a little over a week HR.2847 starts up, We will see how much money is owed the Gov. the hard way

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Jun 22, 2014 17:33:11   #
Sicilianthing
 
emarine wrote:
the hamster thing is cute.... But how do you really feel :lol: Since you appear to be a fighting man what are your thoughts about the new alliance between Russia and China and the possibility of a conventional war? or will the only war be internal? Another question I have for general thought is What will the FED do? or try to do...You would think that they had a back up plan before throwing in the towel.


The 8FED will crash Wall Street again, they will manufacture it like they do every other single depression and recession in recorded history...
You'll go to bed and wake up to the media spinning it mysteriously ha!
They will introduce the AMERO crying irreversible and catastrophic damage to the general currency and PETRO $...
Just remember today the 22nd day of June... beautiful Sunday as we write to each other and most of your/our siblings, neighbors, friends, co-workers are doing nothing here but relaxing or running errands...

In the meantime, buy as much ammo as you can afford, and weapons...
July 1st the games begin... quietly behind the scenes as they watch their new HR bill signed by OBAMADRAMA for the 8FED/IRS/BANKSTERS to harness the wealth abroad... Don't be surprised or let those who surround you dwell in the shock of it all when it happens... It is very very close to going down...
UNLESS an incident like BUNDY RANCH ignites and disrupts their plans... NOW THAT would be something to see !

Dig DEEP and you will find !

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Jun 22, 2014 17:35:43   #
Artemis
 
Ricko wrote:
America Only-believe you are correct and it is not one party's fault but both parties are at fault. The problem is an unbalanced budget year after year and a massive national debt. We have been privileged to kick the can down the road for years only because the Dollar has been the World Reserve Currency for some time. The dollar has been accepted everywhere and trading has been done in dollars. So we have been able to crank up the printing presses and flood the world with dollars without having to produce goods and services equal to the amount we spend. Other countries who hold our debt are becoming worried that we are not serious about controlling debt and that they could be left holding the bag with trillions in useless paper dollars. Therefore, the have taken action on two fronts. 1. They are converting dollars to gold and are bringing home the gold they have stored in other countries. 2. They are forming trade alliances among themselves (i.e. China/Russia, China/India ,etc) and are trading in their own currencies. The objective is to replace the dollar as the world reserve currency with something else which has not been determined as yet. If/When that happens we will be in a world of hurts because now we will have to turn off the printing presses . The country will in effect be flat broke because we print some 65billion per month just to keep operating. The charade will be over and we will have to face reality. Where will be money come from for all the government checks that go out to millions of people each month ? Other countries who have not controlled their debts have experienced this already and there was r**ting throughout. Why do we not think it can happen here ? The fact is that our elected officials are aware of this but are too weak and inept to do anything about it. Any time someone suggests trimming the fat and controlling spending he/she is labeled as an extremist. I challenge anyone posting here to name one democrat in congress who has ever advocated for a balanced budget or reducing the national debt . Of the 535 members of congress only one has ever submitted a budget that would balance in 10 years (Paul Ryan). With the same people running the country what are the chances of us avoiding a potential disaster ? What we need to do will not please many if any of our citizens but we have to start somewhere. With democrats in charge reduced spending and balanced budgets will not happen. The last democrat president with a balance budget was Bill Clinton and the budget was balanced by the then
Speaker of the House New Gingrich and the Contract with America . What do you think we should do ? Good Luck America !!!
America Only-believe you are correct and it is not... (show quote)


I'm sorry but I don't agree with your analysis, of blaming the democrats. It has more to the wealthy politicians who are also the oil and war profiteers , hence Bush and Cheney as a prime example. We get into debt every time we get involved in war, we than borrow money from the Simon-Bar- Sinister's and become indebted to them, in turn they own us. They have owned us now for some time, in actuality from the beginning when we had to borrow for the revolution.

As our last war, we cut our revenue by cutting our taxes to the wealthy in order to borrow money from them, who are the military industrialists and the very people profiting off the war. The cycle for us is one of insanity. It works great for them.

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Jun 22, 2014 17:49:58   #
Sicilianthing
 
emarine wrote:
Good reply... It posted up while I was writing... Control and distribution of the worlds energy resources is the game and Russia is now playing their hand.... it appears in their silence they have stacked the deck or was it our obvious BS in the middle east that fueled the other nations to back change... It seems that the only people who believe in WMD's are here on OPP.... Thanks to our MSM ability to mask the t***h.


Yes, the allies are not so much as one would think and the accords since WWI and II are fracturing... the Baby boomers are dying in droves world wide...
and the heirs are climbing all over each other to sell for profit or position for the next coming of POWER...

Russia had too much in the game and they are the first large card holder to leave the table... pay attention to what happens next... the fracturing gets worse from here and for the 8FED/Banksters to win they have to create havoc among the players...

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Jun 22, 2014 18:01:12   #
Sicilianthing
 
emarine wrote:
If these events weren't so spooky it would make a good book, It would be interesting to know what these guy's had on their mind's on the way out.


They know the people and the M*****a now have all their info on ALL OF THEM and they can't hide... they can run in their own casino but they just can't hide...
It was probably made aware to them in one form or another and they were given a choice... or the 8 are turning on each other and pointing fingers...
Remember ROME, paranoia consumed them all in the end... ha !

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Jun 22, 2014 18:12:20   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
They know the people and the M*****a now have all their info on ALL OF THEM and they can't hide... they can run in their own casino but they just can't hide...
It was probably made aware to them in one form or another and they were given a choice... or the 8 are turning on each other and pointing fingers...
Remember ROME, paranoia consumed them all in the end... ha !


Are we in trouble because of industrialists or Washington's spending policies and the federal reserve currency manipulation covering for our credit policies.

Why are our politicians incapable of seeing the inevitable, or do they see it and believe it will lead to them having more control and power?

We are in a world spider web of economic interdependence, if we fall so does half of the rest of the world and big time pain for the other half.

Is this the beginning of a one world government?

And is our second amendment the only thing the last thing we have to save our way of life.

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Jun 22, 2014 18:18:21   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
Are we in trouble because of industrialists or Washington's spending policies and the federal reserve currency manipulation covering for our credit policies.

Why are our politicians incapable of seeing the inevitable, or do they see it and believe it will lead to them having more control and power?

We are in a world spider web of economic interdependence, if we fall so does half of the rest of the world and big time pain for the other half.

Is this the beginning of a one world government?

And is our second amendment the only thing the last thing we have to save our way of life.
Are we in trouble because of industrialists or Was... (show quote)


Yes, that pesky old 2nd Amendment is the only thing keeping us safe from a complete takeover by Obama and his acolytes.

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Jun 22, 2014 18:43:49   #
Sicilianthing
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
Are we in trouble because of industrialists or Washington's spending policies and the federal reserve currency manipulation covering for our credit policies.

Why are our politicians incapable of seeing the inevitable, or do they see it and believe it will lead to them having more control and power?

We are in a world spider web of economic interdependence, if we fall so does half of the rest of the world and big time pain for the other half.

Is this the beginning of a one world government?

And is our second amendment the only thing the last thing we have to save our way of life.
Are we in trouble because of industrialists or Was... (show quote)


YES, the 2nd was our first right to establish and defend Freedom and is our LAST Throw Down CARD to re establish it !
JOIN a M*****a, i**********n is inevitable...

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Jun 22, 2014 19:19:13   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
maelstrom wrote:
I'm sorry but I don't agree with your analysis, of blaming the democrats. It has more to the wealthy politicians who are also the oil and war profiteers , hence Bush and Cheney as a prime example. We get into debt every time we get involved in war, we than borrow money from the Simon-Bar- Sinister's and become indebted to them, in turn they own us. They have owned us now for some time, in actuality from the beginning when we had to borrow for the revolution.

As our last war, we cut our revenue by cutting our taxes to the wealthy in order to borrow money from them, who are the military industrialists and the very people profiting off the war. The cycle for us is one of insanity. It works great for them.
I'm sorry but I don't agree with your analysis, of... (show quote)


malestrom-who in congress is blocking any attempts at reducing spending? As I said at the beginning of my post both parties are at fault but one party refuses to do anything about cutting spending. Its program after program with no end in sight and everything is so sacrosanct that we cannot do without it. To succeed we will all have to sacrifice and it well may mean an increase in taxes. Reform the tax code and eliminate loopholes so the fat cats pay their share. We have to start somewhere and if the republicans take the senate and do not act we will be on their case in a heart beat. This has to be bi-partisan and we have to sincerely desire to balance our budget and reduce our debt. Is Paul Ryan the only man in congress who can come up with a balanced budget. What is wrong with the other 534 members ? Do we have to wait until a crisis develops before we act ? I agree with those who think the dollar may lose its world reserve currency status and that is the crux of my post. What is the only remedy we have to avoid such an event ? Control our spending and prove to the other countries that their investments are safe. Good Luck America !!!

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Jun 22, 2014 19:24:23   #
Sicilianthing
 
Ricko wrote:
malestrom-who in congress is blocking any attempts at reducing spending? As I said at the beginning of my post both parties are at fault but one party refuses to do anything about cutting spending. Its program after program with no end in sight and everything is so sacrosanct that we cannot do without it. To succeed we will all have to sacrifice and it well may mean an increase in taxes. Reform the tax code and eliminate loopholes so the fat cats pay their share. We have to start somewhere and if the republicans take the senate and do not act we will be on their case in a heart beat. This has to be bi-partisan and we have to sincerely desire to balance our budget and reduce our debt. Is Paul Ryan the only man in congress who can come up with a balanced budget. What is wrong with the other 534 members ? Do we have to wait until a crisis develops before we act ? I agree with those who think the dollar may lose its world reserve currency status and that is the crux of my post. Good Luck America !!!
malestrom-who in congress is blocking any attempts... (show quote)


Dont you guys see this all leans toward a flat tax... But don't forget that personal income tax is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, so we'll spill blood to reverse that when the fighting starts too...
Trade and Corporate FLAT taxes... but no more individual income tax...
Research that for a rude awakening...

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Jun 22, 2014 19:29:25   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
Dont you guys see this all leans toward a flat tax... But don't forget that personal income tax is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, so we'll spill blood to reverse that when the fighting starts too...
Trade and Corporate FLAT taxes... but no more individual income tax...
Research that for a rude awakening...


Sicilianthing-some have proposed a flat tax and it makes a lot more sense than what we have now. We just need a congress with enough guts to get the ball rolling. Some have also suggested a National Sales Tax to replace income taxes. Meanwhile we kick the can down the road. Good Luck America !!!

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Jun 22, 2014 19:41:16   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
The chess pieces are being put in place for WWIII. If one is still skeptical that 9/11 was a false f**g, then consider this. Pakistani officials claimed the Bush administration informed them five weeks before 9/11 that they would begin military operations in Afghanistan against the Taliban in October of that same year. This claim is backed up by the fact that the detailed military invasion orders against Afghanistan, referred to in National Security P**********l Directive 9 (NSPD 9), were placed in the Oval Office on President Bush’s desk waiting to be signed — on September 4, 2001. Proving that Bush and company knew the events of 9/11 were about to unfold?

Saddam had contracts to sell Iraq's oil in euros. Gaddafi was organizing th oil producing state of africa to sell oil in the gold backed dinar. The U.S. military was used by the Washington elites to protect the petrodollar system in those instances of drfiance. But now Russia, China, India are buying Iranian oil with gold and by-passing the petrodollar. They have no desire to tolerate the belligerence of the U.S. war machine and the means to stop it.

The death of the petrodollar means our days of world economic dominance will abruptly end and the resulting economic chaos will be followed by the need to impose martial law on a starving public as hyperinflation grips the country. Tens of millions of Americans will die in this scenario. Further desperate and out of money, WWIII looms in the future.

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Jun 22, 2014 19:50:35   #
Sicilianthing
 
buffalo wrote:
The chess pieces are being put in place for WWIII. If one is still skeptical that 9/11 was a false f**g, then consider this. Pakistani officials claimed the Bush administration informed them five weeks before 9/11 that they would begin military operations in Afghanistan against the Taliban in October of that same year. This claim is backed up by the fact that the detailed military invasion orders against Afghanistan, referred to in National Security P**********l Directive 9 (NSPD 9), were placed in the Oval Office on President Bush’s desk waiting to be signed — on September 4, 2001. Proving that Bush and company knew the events of 9/11 were about to unfold?

Saddam had contracts to sell Iraq's oil in euros. Gaddafi was organizing th oil producing state of africa to sell oil in the gold backed dinar. The U.S. military was used by the Washington elites to protect the petrodollar system in those instances of drfiance. But now Russia, China, India are buying Iranian oil with gold and by-passing the petrodollar. They have no desire to tolerate the belligerence of the U.S. war machine and the means to stop it.

The death of the petrodollar means our days of world economic dominance will abruptly end and the resulting economic chaos will be followed by the need to impose martial law on a starving public as hyperinflation grips the country. Tens of millions of Americans will die in this scenario. Further desperate and out of money, WWIII looms in the future.
The chess pieces are being put in place for WWIII.... (show quote)


Nicely put... Thank You Buffalo... I posted something earlier today somewhere around this forum that commented about the Dinar scenario too...
For a real awakening to those who still believe 9/11 was not what it really is...
please google an interview between Aaron Russo and Rockefeller several years ago... you may have to dig to find it... or get it from realityzone.com
For those of you who can stomach it all... enjoy...

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