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Conservative Christians Using the Bible against LGBTQ+ people is an abuse of scripture
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Feb 9, 2020 16:24:43   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
TexaCan wrote:
You’re going to take it easy on Rose? She drinks from a shallow “through”? Delusions of Grandeur!😂😂😂


https://www.ttb.org/resources/articles-news/features/2018/09/24/how-does-god-save-us

This article is written by J Vernon McGee. A young man that wasn’t that familiar with the Bible, thought that all a person had to do was LOVE in order to be saved. When he was asked to quote the scripture that states this, he couldn’t....that’s because there isn’t one!

Does the Bible teach to love God, to love each other? Of course! What better way to show God that you love him, but by believing and obeying what He taught us in His instruction manual! You have been presented with the gospel many times, but you continue to ignore all those scriptures!

There is only one Church and that is the church that all believers in Jesus Christ, who has accepted His free gift of salvation, is a member!
You’re going to take it easy on Rose? She drinks ... (show quote)

J Vernon McGee...one EXCELLENT bible teacher who has gone to be with the Lord. His "Thru the Bible" is an excellent read to supplement one's bible study.

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Feb 9, 2020 17:11:12   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Parky60 wrote:
J Vernon McGee...one EXCELLENT bible teacher who has gone to be with the Lord. His "Thru the Bible" is an excellent read to supplement one's bible study.


I have a commentary on Genesis that he wrote! He was such a wonderful teacher! I loved how he combined his knowledge with his clear concise method of teaching and his absolutely wonderful sense of humor! I laughed out loud at some of his comments.

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Feb 9, 2020 18:28:26   #
Rose42
 
Parky60 wrote:
J Vernon McGee...one EXCELLENT bible teacher who has gone to be with the Lord. His "Thru the Bible" is an excellent read to supplement one's bible study.


He's on the radio every day. I listen to "Thru the Bible".

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Feb 11, 2020 17:16:41   #
Mr. Rogers
 
rumitoid wrote:
Chris Greenough, Senior Lecturer in Theology and Religion, Edge Hill University: https://www.yahoo.com/news/using-bible-against-lgbtq-people-145106662.html

The Church of England issued pastoral guidance from the House of Bishops to its clergy on January 23, following the legal introduction of heterosexual civil partnerships in 2019. While the guidance concerns heterosexual civil partners, the document has, controversially, been used by the church to reiterate its position on sexual relationships outside of heterosexual marriage. It states that “sexual relationships outside heterosexual marriage are regarded as falling short of God’s purpose for human beings”.

This is squarely in line with the church’s official position on homosexuality, which is that it is “incompatible with scripture”. We have seen recent attempts by liberal members to get the church to take a more inclusive approach towards gender and sexuality, but these have been rebuffed by conservatives. In October 2018, four bishops from the diocese of Oxford published guidance designed “to advise local clergy and congregations in order to support LGBTQ+ people and their families, and to learn from the insights of LGTBQ+ people about being church together”.

Several months later, more than a hundred “concerned Anglicans” signed an open letter criticising the guidance. The letter claimed that the attempt at inclusivity by the Oxford bishops actually served to exclude those who “hold to the traditional reading of scripture”. Their response stated:

We cannot see how it is right to accept as Christian leaders those who advocate lifestyles that are not consistent with New Testament teaching.

The letter writers may be referring to New Testament teaching from Paul’s letters in 1 Corinthians 6:9—10 and Romans 1:26-27 which describe how those who are “sexually immoral” will not enter the kingdom of God.

This example is one of the many cases where conservative Christians deploy biblical verses to bolster arguments against same-sex marriage, transgender identities, adoption and parenting by LGBTQ+ people.

Within the Bible, there are a number of texts which have been used as a weapon against LGBTQ+ people, known as “clobber texts” or “texts of terror”. But using biblical verses in this way is actually an abuse of scripture. It must stop, urgently. Many LGBTQ+ Christians struggle to reconcile their faith with their gender or sexual identities, which can lead to self-harm or suicide.

Not the Word of God
The Bible is often used as a source of authority, but it is misleading to call it “the word of God”. In fact, Christianity teaches that the word of God is not scripture, it is Jesus Christ.

As such, Jesus said nothing explicit about same-sex relationships or transgender people. In the New Testament, it is Paul who teaches about sexual morality, not Jesus. In 1 Corinthians 6:9 - 10, he said:

Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practise homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

While statements like these are cited by conservative Christians to support arguments against the sexual activities and relationships of LGBTQ+ people, it is important to note how Paul himself warns that such use of the Bible is dangerous. In 2 Corinthians 3: 6 Paul writes “for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life”.

In his provocative book, The Savage Text: The Use and Abuse of the Bible, theologian Adrian Thatcher cautions that Christians who mobilise the Bible to argue against the inclusion of others actually commit “bibliolatry” – worshipping the Bible instead of God.

Pick ‘n’ mix Bible?
Conservative Christians adopt a pick ‘n’ mix approach to scripture, selecting what appeals to suit their prejudices while ignoring other texts. The excerpt from Corinthians, above, lists alongside homosexuals, adulterers, the greedy and drunkards to just name a few. Thankfully, these and other offerings on the biblical buffet, such as divorce, owning slaves, and the role of women in the Church have, to some extent, been sympathetically re-interpreted by the church.

The Bible is complicated when it comes to the issue of homosexuality, as it is on many other issues. However, many other activities inconsistent with New Testament teaching don’t share the same airtime in religious discussions. There is no longer much concern, for example, about dressing modestly and inexpensively or getting drunk on wine. Besides, there are many inclusive LGBTQ+ readings of the Bible and interpretations of Christianity that raise new questions and have particular relevance for readers interested in LGBTQ+ issues.

One of the yardsticks for measuring how in touch the Church of England is with contemporary life lies in ongoing discussions about the acceptance and inclusion of LGBTQ+ people in the Church. However, the current situation shows the diminishing authority of the Church and the Bible in everyday life in the UK.

The Church of England faces a generational crisis, with only 2% of young people identifying with it in the UK. The decline points to how the Church’s current position is seemingly hostile and incompatible with socially liberal views, particularly those towards LGBTQ+ people.

This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.
Chris Greenough, Senior Lecturer in Theology and R... (show quote)


Have you heard of the word "Repent." We all are born with an appetite for sin. We must repent or stop sinning in order to be saved.

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Feb 11, 2020 17:23:21   #
Mr. Rogers
 
rumitoid wrote:
Sorry, another comment: the author of this piece is not a non-believer but a prominent Christian professor at a well-known and respectable college. Why lie? Why pull this charade? Why so desperate to promote a sick attack on other believers?


God is explicitly clear that he will cast those who practice homosexuality into the lake of fire. Do you believe the professor or God?

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Feb 11, 2020 17:24:48   #
Mr. Rogers
 
rumitoid wrote:
Sorry, once again a big yawn. You are clueless to the intricacies of the Bible, drink, it appears, from a shallow through. Surface faith, no deep substance. I mostly have taken it easy on you for pedestrian faith, a puddle of understanding. God accepts that, as he does, in my eyes, everyone from all sects and denominations. You have the one, true faith?: thousands of sects would object. It is the true love of God, not the gibberish of articles of faith, that matter.

Somehow you got lost in a literal faith, the dogma, doctrine, and popular beliefs that are foolish, wrong, but comforting.
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To love God is to keep his commandments.

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Feb 11, 2020 17:29:58   #
Mr. Rogers
 
If you loved your neighbors [as yourself] you would not cause them to sin, through lust, pride or covetousness.

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Mar 15, 2020 05:29:00   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
rumitoid wrote:
Chris Greenough, Senior Lecturer in Theology and Religion, Edge Hill University: https://www.yahoo.com/news/using-bible-against-lgbtq-people-145106662.html

The Church of England issued pastoral guidance from the House of Bishops to its clergy on January 23, following the legal introduction of heterosexual civil partnerships in 2019. While the guidance concerns heterosexual civil partners, the document has, controversially, been used by the church to reiterate its position on sexual relationships outside of heterosexual marriage. It states that “sexual relationships outside heterosexual marriage are regarded as falling short of God’s purpose for human beings”.

This is squarely in line with the church’s official position on homosexuality, which is that it is “incompatible with scripture”. We have seen recent attempts by liberal members to get the church to take a more inclusive approach towards gender and sexuality, but these have been rebuffed by conservatives. In October 2018, four bishops from the diocese of Oxford published guidance designed “to advise local clergy and congregations in order to support LGBTQ+ people and their families, and to learn from the insights of LGTBQ+ people about being church together”.

Several months later, more than a hundred “concerned Anglicans” signed an open letter criticising the guidance. The letter claimed that the attempt at inclusivity by the Oxford bishops actually served to exclude those who “hold to the traditional reading of scripture”. Their response stated:

We cannot see how it is right to accept as Christian leaders those who advocate lifestyles that are not consistent with New Testament teaching.

The letter writers may be referring to New Testament teaching from Paul’s letters in 1 Corinthians 6:9—10 and Romans 1:26-27 which describe how those who are “sexually immoral” will not enter the kingdom of God.

This example is one of the many cases where conservative Christians deploy biblical verses to bolster arguments against same-sex marriage, transgender identities, adoption and parenting by LGBTQ+ people.

Within the Bible, there are a number of texts which have been used as a weapon against LGBTQ+ people, known as “clobber texts” or “texts of terror”. But using biblical verses in this way is actually an abuse of scripture. It must stop, urgently. Many LGBTQ+ Christians struggle to reconcile their faith with their gender or sexual identities, which can lead to self-harm or suicide.

Not the Word of God
The Bible is often used as a source of authority, but it is misleading to call it “the word of God”. In fact, Christianity teaches that the word of God is not scripture, it is Jesus Christ.

As such, Jesus said nothing explicit about same-sex relationships or transgender people. In the New Testament, it is Paul who teaches about sexual morality, not Jesus. In 1 Corinthians 6:9 - 10, he said:

Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practise homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

While statements like these are cited by conservative Christians to support arguments against the sexual activities and relationships of LGBTQ+ people, it is important to note how Paul himself warns that such use of the Bible is dangerous. In 2 Corinthians 3: 6 Paul writes “for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life”.

In his provocative book, The Savage Text: The Use and Abuse of the Bible, theologian Adrian Thatcher cautions that Christians who mobilise the Bible to argue against the inclusion of others actually commit “bibliolatry” – worshipping the Bible instead of God.

Pick ‘n’ mix Bible?
Conservative Christians adopt a pick ‘n’ mix approach to scripture, selecting what appeals to suit their prejudices while ignoring other texts. The excerpt from Corinthians, above, lists alongside homosexuals, adulterers, the greedy and drunkards to just name a few. Thankfully, these and other offerings on the biblical buffet, such as divorce, owning slaves, and the role of women in the Church have, to some extent, been sympathetically re-interpreted by the church.

The Bible is complicated when it comes to the issue of homosexuality, as it is on many other issues. However, many other activities inconsistent with New Testament teaching don’t share the same airtime in religious discussions. There is no longer much concern, for example, about dressing modestly and inexpensively or getting drunk on wine. Besides, there are many inclusive LGBTQ+ readings of the Bible and interpretations of Christianity that raise new questions and have particular relevance for readers interested in LGBTQ+ issues.

One of the yardsticks for measuring how in touch the Church of England is with contemporary life lies in ongoing discussions about the acceptance and inclusion of LGBTQ+ people in the Church. However, the current situation shows the diminishing authority of the Church and the Bible in everyday life in the UK.

The Church of England faces a generational crisis, with only 2% of young people identifying with it in the UK. The decline points to how the Church’s current position is seemingly hostile and incompatible with socially liberal views, particularly those towards LGBTQ+ people.

This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.
Chris Greenough, Senior Lecturer in Theology and R... (show quote)


Missed this thread...

Hmmm.... Change the church to suit the people... Sounds off to me... But what do I know?

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"Besides, there are many inclusive LGBTQ+ readings of the Bible and interpretations of Christianity that raise new questions and have particular relevance for readers interested in LGBTQ+ issues."

I was unaware of this... Care to provide an example of two?

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"Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practise homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God"

Very true... We should avoid all of these practices... Acceptance of any is irresponsible...

Clobber texts?
They're all clobber texts
The entire Bible is chalk full of clobber texts

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''Thankfully, these and other offerings on the biblical buffet, such as divorce, owning slaves, and the role of women in the Church have, to some extent, been sympathetically re-interpreted by the church.''

Not by me...
Divorce is wrong...
Slavery I find...
Women have a role in the church that is different than that of men...


Finally... Jesus defined marriage as between a man and a woman... Definitions are great...
They clarify so many things...

Any LGBTQs are welcome to worship with me... But they no more get a pass on their sins than I do on mine... Amen...

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