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Jan 28, 2020 15:41:25   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Bolton came out of nowhere like a bolt of lightening, his only claim to fame a walrus mustache and his short interim as UN Ambassador. He’s a war monger and a man I’ve never trusted. I suppose I simply don’t understand politics.


You understand it better than you think. Bolton would have had us in a war with Iran, China and Russia simultaneously.

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Jan 28, 2020 15:43:50   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Lonewolf wrote:
The Biden's had nothing to do with trumps crime all trump wanted was Ukraine to say they were investgateing Biden so he could use it in the e******n


Sorry, there is no crime.

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Jan 28, 2020 15:46:04   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
proud republican wrote:
Bidens have everything to do with corruption in Ukraine!!! Joe Quid pro Quo should testify front and center!!!


Yes, well subpoena them and they have no choice.

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Jan 28, 2020 15:47:27   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
proud republican wrote:
Bidens have everything to do with corruption in Ukraine!!! Joe Quid pro Quo should testify front and center!!!


Guess who it goes to, his old boss.

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Jan 28, 2020 15:50:12   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
proud republican wrote:
The whole thing reminds me of Kavanaugh hearings!!!!!


That's where they take their cues.

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Jan 28, 2020 15:59:03   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
woodguru wrote:
As the rule of law is being torn down by republicans, refusing to seat Obama's supreme court pick for a start. Refusing to comply with court orders at every turn, believing that if you don't agree with rulings take it higher and hope the supreme court sides with the conservative position even if it does subvert the law. This administration is defying judges at every turn.
This president is tearing down your meat house if you are a person who believes in the law.

So do you believe that executive privilege extends across the board to everything even the things that it doesn't remotely apply to, or are you looking through the right wing bubble where that makes some sort of sense?
As the rule of law is being torn down by republica... (show quote)


I was with you until you said the rule of law was being torn down by Republicans. Do these words mean anything to you? George Soros, Hillary Clinton, a****a, B*M, Northam the rest of the DNC. That's who is tearing down the rule of law.
Executive privilege applies to the executive branch kind of easy.

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Jan 28, 2020 16:06:38   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
You are absolutely correct, of course. What is going on here, however, is just another example of how deep this rabbit hole goes. It turns out that Vindman, the guy who claimed Trump demanded an investigation into the Biden's, has a twin brother who does reviews of material like Bolton's book looking for classified information. It is now thought that this twin Vindman, was the source of the leak to the NYT.

http://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/source-alexander-vindmans-brother-yevgeny-clears-publications-by-nsc-officials/
You are absolutely correct, of course. What is go... (show quote)


Could he also be I don't know the WHISTLEBLOWER? If you remember, I told you Vindman had an Identical twin same rank in the next office. Only differences are fingerprints and teeth.

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Jan 28, 2020 16:08:34   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Lying on a whistle blower complaint is fraud and corrupt. Using that lie to start an investigation or impeachment proceeding is fraud and corrupt. Leaking to the press is fraud and corrupt. Leaking lies is fraud and corrupt. Running a totally partisan impeachment is corrupt. Hiding corruption via a fraudulent impeachment proceeding is fraud and corrupt. Claiming that due process and defense is obstruction is fraud and corrupt. Claiming the whistleblower has a statutory right to anonymity is fraud and corrupt.

Bottom line is the whole thing is a fraud and a corrupt political move on the part of the democrats, claiming wrong doing where there is none. The Congress is abusing it's power by forcing this impeachment based upon fraud and corruption not to mention hiding corruption which the president sought to uncover.

What the "whistleblower" said in his/her complaint is, indeed, relevant, not only for legal purposes but for political purposes as well. The American people are gradually siding up with the president as they see that the democrats are defrauding them, the American public.

So, make no mistake, if this doesn't go away, we will expose the whistleblower and his/her "insignificant" claims. We will rip the Biden's a new on on the stand under oath and sooner or later, take down the entirety of the democratic party, exposing the fraud not only of this but of the Mueller investigation and how it was conducted. We will expose the people who want to turn our government into a corrupt, banana republic regime and the people will v**e them out; those that aren't removed legally by law for illegal activities. We now have all the evidence we need for that. Do you want it ALL to come out or just enough to allow for this president to continue and you holding on to just a sliver of hop that you could win in 2020 or any other year after that for that matter??????

By the way woody, this post is not just for you, woody.
Lying on a whistle blower complaint is fraud and c... (show quote)


One word, Mueller.

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Jan 28, 2020 16:18:15   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
In the WH no, in the Ukraine, yes. I'll try to give you some of the stuff again.


George Webb began posting on YouTube in mid-2016, investigating the protracted disappearance of Clinton Foundation President, Eric Braverman.

Back in 2016, Webb was a "Bernie Bro" but over the course of the past 3 years, his motivation has shifted to stop the illegal c**p d'état against the President, bringing his sk**ls in Big Data and experience with the Intelligence Community.

Webb sometimes uses elliptical language to throw off the algorithms but there are times, every once in a while when he delivers a report of mind-shattering granularity and gravitas. This post is one of them.

Webb livestreamed this blockbuster podcast from Western Florida, where he's researching CENTCOM, the Central Command of the United States military, located at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Florida and also the home of Special Operations Command or SOCOM.

He's there trying to get as much information as he can on the Afghan-Pakistan Center of Excellence (AfPak COE), which was established in 2009.

The first Director of the Afghanistan-Pakistan Center of Excellence at CENTCOM was Derek Harvey, who was selected by General David Petraeus in 2009 to lead the new organization. Webb says Derek Harvey is the handler and recruiter of Lev Parnas, the star witness of Adam Schiff's impeachment and that Parnas was trained at the AfPak COE.

Originally established as a counterterrorism center, the AfPak COE became a key recruiter of Defense Intelligence Agency informants who were used politically. This includes Henry Oknyansky, the person who lured Roger stone with Hillary Clinton's alleged "hacked" emails and Hina Alvi, the main contact for encrypted communications for former DNC Chair, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Webb says the encrypted communications established for the AfPak COE on the BlackBerry platform were repurposed and diverted for a spy ring in Congress.

He says, "When they went off to training from here, in Tampa over to Fort Huachuca [in Arizona], when they did their initial training to be DIA informants, that's where they left these telltale IP addresses.

"We know that Lev Parnas...shares not only one set of IP numbers with Derek Harvey and one set of IP numbers with Peter Strzok, the key architect of the takedown of Trump, the takedown of Crossfire Hurricane, the CIA takedown before that, the t***sition attempt to take down Mike Flynn, the attempt to take down with the OCONUS Lures after that, the attempt to take down with the Mueller plan; again and again and again, all these lures by Peter Strzok.

"We have the key star witness for Adam Schiff, Lev Parnas sharing IP numbers at Fort Huachuca with Peter Strzok. We know Peter Strzok was a key communicator with all of these people, [like Henry] Oknyansky [aka Hank Greenberg]...we know Peter Strzok was communicating with him through Fort Huachuca, which is a military 111 branch.

"Fort Belvoir [in Virginia] is the headquarters of the Intelligence Command for all the Armed Forces and then the key training branch and development branch is in Fort Huachuca in Arizona for military 111...that's where "AfPak 111" comes from - maybe that's why there's 111 pages in the impeachment document.

"This is yet another one in the series of these AfPak Center of Excellence informants being used to try to take down Trump, OK, so that gives you the background.

"Remember, the IP addresses...this is evidence for the impeachment; that we have Lev Parnas with not only one set of IP addresses in Fort Huachuca but also at the Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama also, at NASA-Huntsville and potentially, we're checking it out, NASA-Cape Canaveral.

"These are places to go for missile launches and missile sites. So, we think very much that [Lev Parnas] was the go-between to Iran and Soleimani, through Russia; for missile sales for Russia.

"We're not going to deal with that today - we're talking just about the impeachment - just about using encrypted communications; diverting encrypted communications that were intended for stopping people like Osama bin Laden and turning them on p**********l candidates, the President-Elect...the President and now the impeachment.

"That same technology - that's the key, here that's what we're showing, that's the evidence trail that we have for you. So, Parnas shares three sets of IP addresses with Peter Strzok. We also have Oknyansky, the person who offers Roger Stone Hillary emails at Fort Huachuca, we also have Hina Alvi, the key sidekick to Imran Awan, who is the key IT person in the Congress over a 16-year period....we have [Alvi's] IP addresses...

"This encrypted Blackberry traffic didn't travel through a VPN, it traveled through public routers...the payload of the packet is encrypted but the reason why we know where the 'To' and the 'From' is, there's no way a router can make routing decisions about how to forward the packets unless it has the 'To' and the 'From'. That's how we got this information.

"So, the source of my 'To' and the 'From' information just sent me another connection here and so the the data is definitely coming in. This is not speculation, this is hardcore IP addresses and communications packets and proof. This is not speculation...

"I discovered a key witness named André Taggert [who rented a house from Imran Awan], whose wife was a Navy cryptologist...We have Taggart's testimony that this set of Blackberrys existed... Imran Awan stashed Government Blackberrys with Government markings at [Taggert's] house...

"We know [Imran Awan] kept using the email, the '123 Dropbox' email [address], which I think effectuated the '123 agreement', basically the covert '123 agreement' with Iran.

"We'll get to that later but we're not guessing, here. We have a fact witness that puts those Blackberrys - again, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's and Nancy Pelosi's Blackberrys in Imran Awan's house - *after* he's been banned from the [House] network. No question about this. This is fact."

Webb describes being contacted by a Biden whistleblower who did IT work on Biden's staff at the Senate and who describes himself as a "30-year friend" of Joe Biden's. They met over dinner and he drank too much and accidentally left his Blackberry with him, which Webb returned the following day.

This Biden whistleblower configured encrypted Blackberrys for Biden and his staff. "Now, the key linkage point here is with H****r B***n and why H****r B***n is a fact witness, because if you remember correctly, when H****r B***n and [former CIA official]...Cofer Black go to work for the board of Burisma, H****r B***n becomes the oldest ensign in the United States Navy.

"At the age of 42, [H****r] gets commissioned as a Naval Officer. Why? because he's not allowed to carry an encrypted Blackberry with military-grade communications without that being against the law with the NSA. He's given this encrypted Blackberry, because it brings him into an enclave; a secure enclave that only is classified.

"He's given a blackberry [that] maps to Joe Biden. It maps to [the Stratcom Communications Center at Fort Belvoir], a guy named Gunther who is also a Navy cryptologist. Again, you have Navy cryptologists configure your Blackberrys because you're configuring for a classified program...

"There is no doubt in my mind, the reason why they made H****r B***n an Ensign in the Navy in 2014 at the age of 42, which is unheard-of - normally, no one ever over 40 years old - is because they're giving him encrypted communications...

"If they used these same encrypted Blackberrys to do the Iran nuclear deal - and part of that nuclear deal was missiles, this becomes very important. If their '123' Dropbox, which Imran used terabytes to Pakistan was part of a recipes-for-missiles or specialty metals that went to make missiles, it's very important that we run this down.

"This is not just about the impeachment it has a bigger implication than that...these Blackberrys, which I very strongly believe were a part of negotiating that deal...

"If somebody is using encrypted communications, the NSA cannot see...the NSA is blind to that traffic. That means you could negotiate Iran nuclear deal outside of the US Senate. The US Senate is supposed to do all treaties, right? It means that you could affect an agreement outside of the law.

"Eagle Treaty, right? Remember, in 2014 the CIA spied on the Senate for exactly that reason, because they couldn't get the v**es to pass it?

"So, not only do we have probable cause, we have predicate. We have predicate that the CIA spied before. Why wouldn't they spy again? And why wouldn't they use nefarious purposes - which is what the House Inspector General said the Awans were doing - why wouldn't they use nefarious purposes to get around the Senate hurdle?

"There is no deliberative body...in the words of our great...Chief Justice John Roberts, that wouldn't want to deliberate about its own proceedings, that should have taken place for the Iran nuclear deal - and we have smoking-gun evidence that Adam Schiff has brought to the US Senate, saying H****r B***n was probably the key go-between for those discussions.

"Again, we don't have all the dots connected. We have the dots connected up to Hina Alvi being military-grade encryption, military-grade training and military intelligence; Lev Parnas, their key star witness: military-grade training, military-grade recruiting with [Colonel] Derek Harvey...

"We have the same indications with Oknyansky, another person was used for as a lure, OCONUS lure, an "Out of Continental United States" lure, is the technical term that's used.

"We have Peter Strzok talking about the use of the term 'OCONUS lures', we have Lisa Page in the conspiracy talking about 'OCONUS lures'. These are all OCONUS lures, Folks! They're not all Butinas, some of them are Mogilevich crime gang members and had been a part at Brighton Beach crime gang for over three decades.

"Isn't it a little bit odd that Rudy Giuliani would pick out two Mogilevich longtime crime hoods from Brighton Beach, Long Island, when he worked breaking five crime families, 30 years ago in New York? Why would he go pick out the crime gangs? Why? Because that was his linkage to talking to the person who put together weapons deals. Because these guys - before they were used by Peter Strzok to take down Trump - did weapons deals.

"Libya, Syria, Sudan, Yemen and Iran. The Iran deal, itself - it's the same group.

"And who was the key person that they took Rudy to go see? Why are Fruman and Parnas even involved in this whole situation as the star witness? Who did they take Rudy to go see? Not just Zelensky not just a phone call for Zelensky - they took him to see Kolomoyskyi, their crime boss and they knew Kolomoyskyi didn't just live in a mansion in Kiev. They knew Kolomoyskyi wasn't just sitting by the the intake money-laundering machine in Geneva and HSBC Private Bank, they knew Kolomoyskyi didn't just have a villa in Geneva over by HSBC Private Bank.

"Where did they take Kolomoyskyi? Where do they take Giuliani to go see Kolomoyskyi? They took him to Tel Aviv. We were the first channel to tell you Kolomoyskyi, the key weapons broker for those five big takedowns, right? We were the ones who told you that Kolomoyskyi was actually in Kiev.

"He actually brokered some of his artwork through the Braverman Art Gallery, there but that's - we're gonna get to that later - and maybe Abe Braverman might have helped us out a little bit. We don't know. Kolomoyskiyi might want to check that but anyway - you didn't hear that...

"They used encrypted communications for Libya. They used encrypted communications for the weapons-dealing; to move the weapons after Libya to Syria. They moved the weapons after that to Sudan and they moved the weapons after that to Yemen. And they paid for it all with the Iran nuclear deal.

Half of the deal - at least half - was weapons and some of those some of those weapons were missiles. That's why I believe Lev Parnas...his IP address is also mapped to Redstone Arsenal and NASA-Huntsville and potentially NASA-Canaveral.

"We believe now...basically, these private CENTCOM Blackberrys, the private network began in 2002. The Iran nuclear deal and missile placement was actually done before the Iraq war. Soleimani actually helped in the invasion ??; the initial barrage of the Eastern targets by pre-positioning and purchasing Russian missiles on the border of Iran in the initial wave.

"That's why we needed a broker to go between Russia to buy old missiles. Some of them needed to be reconditioned for the initial wave attack on Iraq, going all the way back to 2002. All of these takedowns since 2002, when these when this private network of Blackberrys was put together by P-Tech, which is Jack Lew and Denis McDonough's little private network to effect all this.

"Denis McDonough worked across the aisle - this is a time when people do work across the aisle! Denis McDonough put together a coalition, if you remember for the "weapons of mass destruction" reason of going into Iraq and that didn't go to even a v**e until it was all said and done, basically in committee.

"Denis McDonough was the key operative on the Left side of the aisle, with Peter Strzok to make Iraq happen and the key benefactor was Peter Strzok and his dad in the deal with [ODE?] who had a company called Middle East Trading and and you all know the Iraq reconstruction story.

"But even today - just an hour ago, Adam Schiff says part of the package to get to Ukraine in this supposed deal that was held up by President Trump was radar and night-vision goggles. Night-vision goggles sold by Excelis night-vision goggles, which over a year and a half ago, we told you about the Strzok relatives that had...an illegal position selling Excelis night-vision goggles!

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Jan 28, 2020 16:21:26   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
I think I gave you enough.

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Jan 28, 2020 16:36:47   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
Could he also be I don't know the WHISTLEBLOWER? If you remember, I told you Vindman had an Identical twin same rank in the next office. Only differences are fingerprints and teeth.


I have said many times that I thought Vindman was the source for the whistleblower or the whistleblower himself. It was certainly his claim that Trump demanded an investigation into the Bidens (favor = demand to Vindman).

I think they went with his claim of a demand and wrote up a whistleblower complaint then were probably flabergasted that the call did not reveals a demand. Even Pelosi spoke about the complaint before she'd read it as if Trump had actually demanded an investigation.

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Jan 28, 2020 18:42:10   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Kevyn wrote:
I cannot speak for all democrats or progressives but what I want in all of this process is the t***h and t***sparency. Have relevant witnesses testify, be examined and cross examined on TV under oath. Let the chips fall where they may.


You have been getting it we keep giving you Kevyn but you don't want to believe so why should anyone keep bothering

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Jan 28, 2020 18:44:04   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
proud republican wrote:
Let's!!! Like I said be careful what you wish for!!!


you also need to realize this portion was leaked so if it is only a portion it could be misrepresented and taken out of context. Its still not a proven thing its his word against proven fact a copy of the phone call and the people listening. Trump may have said it to see if he was one of the leakers and if so HE WAS or he had his brother do it for him

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Jan 28, 2020 18:58:26   #
Mikeyavelli
 
proud republican wrote:
Democrats want Bolton to testify as a witness,they should be careful what they wish for!!! They might regret this!!! And if Bolton will testify,so should whistleblower,Adam Schitt,H****r Biden!!! Let's make it even!!!!And even if Bolton will say something against President Trump,there is no way 20 Republicans will v**e to convict him!!! No matter how much Democrats will try and try to get rid if our President , he still will be here for the next 4.5 years!!!


Does anyone really think that Bolton will become the Judas of the Right by betraying Trump?
Lose his decades of status as a right wing icon?
Nope. Bolton just might surprise the kommiecrats with exculpatory testimony.

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Jan 28, 2020 19:01:53   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Somewhere in all of that is the influence gained by having H****r in the loop. Joe doesn't amount to much but Giuliani sure thinks he has it. B******i Joe, I think I'll call him.

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