The Mother Of All Unpatriotic Things, The Thing That Defines What An Alt Patriot Is: Three or four years ago we would have been in 100% agreement on Russia and Putin. Nobody had a...

woodguru

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100% agreement on Russia and Putin. Nobody had a problem with sanctions and the reasons they were being done. Whenever a story was aired nobody was divided about the threat Russia poses to the country. Nobody seemed to understand what took place in Afghanistan and was was in effect a proxy war between Russia and NATO countries, in which we effectively broke Russia by providing hundreds of millions worth of arms to those fighting against Russians and their backed factions. Even ignorant people who didn't have much of a clue what had gone on there wouldn't have called anyone talking negative about Russia's role full of BS like they do now.

Patriotism is not blind, it does not have anything to do with loyalty or blind faith.The day a leader crosses a line and supports interests that are against the best interests of this nation and it's people, that leader is on the wrong side.

One need only to look at who and what Putin and Russia by proxy stands for, and you know everything a patriot needs to know to know where their loyalties should be.

...First it's easy to see what Putin is. He came up through the ranks of the KGB, arguably one of the more ruthless and feared c*******t intelligence services in the world. The hallmark of government intelligence in a country like Russia that has total control of people through fear and intimidation, is that the government uses it's intelligence and full authoritarian powers against it's people who object to what the government is doing.
...Another hallmark is that misinformation, rhetoric, and propaganda is used in such a way that people do not know what to believe, and there are those who believe that the government is working on behalf of them. Every dictator has his ignorant followers who don't know what the t***h is so they believe the lies, its safer that way. This is also part of what is so dangerous about our government.
...Russia has aligned itself for the most part with the opposition to those we support, this can be categorized in a democracies versus dictators model. Areas of conflict can be seen to prove this, Russia is allied with Iran, they are courting Iraq, who no longer wants our presence....they worked with Syria and Turkey when Erdogan told us to get out of Syria. We used to support the Ukraine against Russia, now that cannot be said because Trump's loyalties seem to be with Putin, there have been no actions that would prove otherwise when the US actually needed to speak out against Russian incursions We are seeing this all over the world.
...Russia has been openly involved in destabilizing several of our allies politically, including our country although the point of determining where loyalties lay is what this is about. Before trump took office we would have had no problem believing our intelligence whenever we talked about russian cyber and social media type attacks. Now, trump has aligned himself with Putin's word over comprehensive intelligence that can be proved if trump paid attention to it...he doesn't so neither do his followers.

Believing trump at this point has nothing to do with being a patriot, it is in fact the opposite, because this president is on the wrong side of the best interests of this country. This president goes on endlessly about everything being f**e, it in fact is, everything he says and believes is f**e. He owns alternative facts, alt christians who do not know what seeing thing from a perspective of loving people versus hating everyone who isn't christian, f**e love of country being attached to his f**e patriotism, which is attached to his f**e self who prefers Putin's advice to the intelligence services of this country because they don't agree with his underwhelming views.

Telling me I'm not a patriot is a clear indicator that this came from an alternative patriot. It's a worn out and f**e word.

Liberty Tree

woodguru wrote:

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100% agreement on Russia and Putin. Nobody had a problem with sanctions and the reasons they were being done. Whenever a story was aired nobody was divided about the threat Russia poses to the country. Nobody seemed to understand what took place in Afghanistan and was was in effect a proxy war between Russia and NATO countries, in which we effectively broke Russia by providing hundreds of millions worth of arms to those fighting against Russians and their backed factions. Even ignorant people who didn't have much of a clue what had gone on there wouldn't have called anyone talking negative about Russia's role full of BS like they do now.

Patriotism is not blind, it does not have anything to do with loyalty or blind faith.The day a leader crosses a line and supports interests that are against the best interests of this nation and it's people, that leader is on the wrong side.

One need only to look at who and what Putin and Russia by proxy stands for, and you know everything a patriot needs to know to know where their loyalties should be.

...First it's easy to see what Putin is. He came up through the ranks of the KGB, arguably one of the more ruthless and feared c*******t intelligence services in the world. The hallmark of government intelligence in a country like Russia that has total control of people through fear and intimidation, is that the government uses it's intelligence and full authoritarian powers against it's people who object to what the government is doing.
...Another hallmark is that misinformation, rhetoric, and propaganda is used in such a way that people do not know what to believe, and there are those who believe that the government is working on behalf of them. Every dictator has his ignorant followers who don't know what the t***h is so they believe the lies, its safer that way. This is also part of what is so dangerous about our government.
...Russia has aligned itself for the most part with the opposition to those we support, this can be categorized in a democracies versus dictators model. Areas of conflict can be seen to prove this, Russia is allied with Iran, they are courting Iraq, who no longer wants our presence....they worked with Syria and Turkey when Erdogan told us to get out of Syria. We used to support the Ukraine against Russia, now that cannot be said because Trump's loyalties seem to be with Putin, there have been no actions that would prove otherwise when the US actually needed to speak out against Russian incursions We are seeing this all over the world.
...Russia has been openly involved in destabilizing several of our allies politically, including our country although the point of determining where loyalties lay is what this is about. Before trump took office we would have had no problem believing our intelligence whenever we talked about russian cyber and social media type attacks. Now, trump has aligned himself with Putin's word over comprehensive intelligence that can be proved if trump paid attention to it...he doesn't so neither do his followers.

Believing trump at this point has nothing to do with being a patriot, it is in fact the opposite, because this president is on the wrong side of the best interests of this country. This president goes on endlessly about everything being f**e, it in fact is, everything he says and believes is f**e. He owns alternative facts, alt christians who do not know what seeing thing from a perspective of loving people versus hating everyone who isn't christian, f**e love of country being attached to his f**e patriotism, which is attached to his f**e self who prefers Putin's advice to the intelligence services of this country because they don't agree with his underwhelming views.

Telling me I'm not a patriot is a clear indicator that this came from an alternative patriot. It's a worn out and f**e word.

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100%... (show quote)

Which leftwing source fed you this? You have no understanding of world politics, international relations what a real patriot is?

Lonewolf

woodguru wrote:

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100% agreement on Russia and Putin. Nobody had a problem with sanctions and the reasons they were being done. Whenever a story was aired nobody was divided about the threat Russia poses to the country. Nobody seemed to understand what took place in Afghanistan and was was in effect a proxy war between Russia and NATO countries, in which we effectively broke Russia by providing hundreds of millions worth of arms to those fighting against Russians and their backed factions. Even ignorant people who didn't have much of a clue what had gone on there wouldn't have called anyone talking negative about Russia's role full of BS like they do now.

Patriotism is not blind, it does not have anything to do with loyalty or blind faith.The day a leader crosses a line and supports interests that are against the best interests of this nation and it's people, that leader is on the wrong side.

One need only to look at who and what Putin and Russia by proxy stands for, and you know everything a patriot needs to know to know where their loyalties should be.

...First it's easy to see what Putin is. He came up through the ranks of the KGB, arguably one of the more ruthless and feared c*******t intelligence services in the world. The hallmark of government intelligence in a country like Russia that has total control of people through fear and intimidation, is that the government uses it's intelligence and full authoritarian powers against it's people who object to what the government is doing.
...Another hallmark is that misinformation, rhetoric, and propaganda is used in such a way that people do not know what to believe, and there are those who believe that the government is working on behalf of them. Every dictator has his ignorant followers who don't know what the t***h is so they believe the lies, its safer that way. This is also part of what is so dangerous about our government.
...Russia has aligned itself for the most part with the opposition to those we support, this can be categorized in a democracies versus dictators model. Areas of conflict can be seen to prove this, Russia is allied with Iran, they are courting Iraq, who no longer wants our presence....they worked with Syria and Turkey when Erdogan told us to get out of Syria. We used to support the Ukraine against Russia, now that cannot be said because Trump's loyalties seem to be with Putin, there have been no actions that would prove otherwise when the US actually needed to speak out against Russian incursions We are seeing this all over the world.
...Russia has been openly involved in destabilizing several of our allies politically, including our country although the point of determining where loyalties lay is what this is about. Before trump took office we would have had no problem believing our intelligence whenever we talked about russian cyber and social media type attacks. Now, trump has aligned himself with Putin's word over comprehensive intelligence that can be proved if trump paid attention to it...he doesn't so neither do his followers.

Believing trump at this point has nothing to do with being a patriot, it is in fact the opposite, because this president is on the wrong side of the best interests of this country. This president goes on endlessly about everything being f**e, it in fact is, everything he says and believes is f**e. He owns alternative facts, alt christians who do not know what seeing thing from a perspective of loving people versus hating everyone who isn't christian, f**e love of country being attached to his f**e patriotism, which is attached to his f**e self who prefers Putin's advice to the intelligence services of this country because they don't agree with his underwhelming views.

Telling me I'm not a patriot is a clear indicator that this came from an alternative patriot. It's a worn out and f**e word.

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100%... (show quote)

Good post

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

woodguru wrote:

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100% agreement on Russia and Putin. Nobody had a problem with sanctions and the reasons they were being done. Whenever a story was aired nobody was divided about the threat Russia poses to the country. Nobody seemed to understand what took place in Afghanistan and was was in effect a proxy war between Russia and NATO countries, in which we effectively broke Russia by providing hundreds of millions worth of arms to those fighting against Russians and their backed factions. Even ignorant people who didn't have much of a clue what had gone on there wouldn't have called anyone talking negative about Russia's role full of BS like they do now.

Patriotism is not blind, it does not have anything to do with loyalty or blind faith.The day a leader crosses a line and supports interests that are against the best interests of this nation and it's people, that leader is on the wrong side.

One need only to look at who and what Putin and Russia by proxy stands for, and you know everything a patriot needs to know to know where their loyalties should be.

...First it's easy to see what Putin is. He came up through the ranks of the KGB, arguably one of the more ruthless and feared c*******t intelligence services in the world. The hallmark of government intelligence in a country like Russia that has total control of people through fear and intimidation, is that the government uses it's intelligence and full authoritarian powers against it's people who object to what the government is doing.
...Another hallmark is that misinformation, rhetoric, and propaganda is used in such a way that people do not know what to believe, and there are those who believe that the government is working on behalf of them. Every dictator has his ignorant followers who don't know what the t***h is so they believe the lies, its safer that way. This is also part of what is so dangerous about our government.
...Russia has aligned itself for the most part with the opposition to those we support, this can be categorized in a democracies versus dictators model. Areas of conflict can be seen to prove this, Russia is allied with Iran, they are courting Iraq, who no longer wants our presence....they worked with Syria and Turkey when Erdogan told us to get out of Syria. We used to support the Ukraine against Russia, now that cannot be said because Trump's loyalties seem to be with Putin, there have been no actions that would prove otherwise when the US actually needed to speak out against Russian incursions We are seeing this all over the world.
...Russia has been openly involved in destabilizing several of our allies politically, including our country although the point of determining where loyalties lay is what this is about. Before trump took office we would have had no problem believing our intelligence whenever we talked about russian cyber and social media type attacks. Now, trump has aligned himself with Putin's word over comprehensive intelligence that can be proved if trump paid attention to it...he doesn't so neither do his followers.

Believing trump at this point has nothing to do with being a patriot, it is in fact the opposite, because this president is on the wrong side of the best interests of this country. This president goes on endlessly about everything being f**e, it in fact is, everything he says and believes is f**e. He owns alternative facts, alt christians who do not know what seeing thing from a perspective of loving people versus hating everyone who isn't christian, f**e love of country being attached to his f**e patriotism, which is attached to his f**e self who prefers Putin's advice to the intelligence services of this country because they don't agree with his underwhelming views.

Telling me I'm not a patriot is a clear indicator that this came from an alternative patriot. It's a worn out and f**e word.

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100%... (show quote)

Hey, woodenhead, STFU. You've repeatedly made it absolutely clear whose side you are on. What you see as patriotism is party loyalty. You are not an American patriot, you are a Progressive apparatchik, just another cog in the party machine.

Rose42

Lonewolf wrote:

Good post

No it isn’t. Its the same tired ‘I know what a real patriot is’ yipyap. I’m tired of alties on both sides thinking they know who the ‘real’ patriots are.

teabag09

[quote=woodguru]Three or four years ago we would have been in 100% agreement on Russia and Putin. Nobody had a problem with sanctions and the reasons they were being done. Whenever a story was aired nobody was divided about the threat Russia poses to the country. Nobody seemed to understand what took place in Afghanistan and was was in effect a proxy war between Russia and NATO countries, in which we effectively broke Russia by providing hundreds of millions worth of arms to those fighting against Russians and their backed factions. Even ignorant people who didn't have much of a clue what had gone on there wouldn't have called anyone talking negative about Russia's role full of BS like they do now.

Patriotism is not blind, it does not have anything to do with loyalty or blind faith.The day a leader crosses a line and supports interests that are against the best interests of this nation and it's people, that leader is on the wrong side.

One need only to look at who and what Putin and Russia by proxy stands for, and you know everything a patriot needs to know to know where their loyalties should be.

...First it's easy to see what Putin is. He came up through the ranks of the KGB, arguably one of the more ruthless and feared c*******t intelligence services in the world. The hallmark of government intelligence in a country like Russia that has total control of people through fear and intimidation, is that the government uses it's intelligence and full authoritarian powers against it's people who object to what the government is doing.
...Another hallmark is that misinformation, rhetoric, and propaganda is used in such a way that people do not know what to believe, and there are those who believe that the government is working on behalf of them. Every dictator has his ignorant followers who don't know what the t***h is so they believe the lies, its safer that way. This is also part of what is so dangerous about our government.
...Russia has aligned itself for the most part with the opposition to those we support, this can be categorized in a democracies versus dictators model. Areas of conflict can be seen to prove this, Russia is allied with Iran, they are courting Iraq, who no longer wants our presence....they worked with Syria and Turkey when Erdogan told us to get out of Syria. We used to support the Ukraine against Russia, now that cannot be said because Trump's loyalties seem to be with Putin, there have been no actions that would prove otherwise when the US actually needed to speak out against Russian incursions We are seeing this all over the world.
...Russia has been openly involved in destabilizing several of our allies politically, including our country although the point of determining where loyalties lay is what this is about. Before trump took office we would have had no problem believing our intelligence whenever we talked about russian cyber and social media type attacks. Now, trump has aligned himself with Putin's word over comprehensive intelligence that can be proved if trump paid attention to it...he doesn't so neither do his followers.

Believing trump at this point has nothing to do with being a patriot, it is in fact the opposite, because this president is on the wrong side of the best interests of this country. This president goes on endlessly about everything being f**e, it in fact is, everything he says and believes is f**e. He owns alternative facts, alt christians who do not know what seeing thing from a perspective of loving people versus hating everyone who isn't christian, f**e love of country being attached to his f**e patriotism, which is attached to his f**e self who prefers Putin's advice to the intelligence services of this country because they don't agree with his underwhelming views.

Telling me I'm not a patriot is a clear indicator that this came from an alternative patriot. It's a worn out and f**e word.[/

The hallmark of government intelligence in a country like Russia that has total control of people through fear and intimidation, is that the government uses it's intelligence and full authoritarian powers against it's people who object to what the government is doing.
...Another hallmark is that misinformation, rhetoric, and propaganda is used in such a way that people do not know what to believe, and there are those who believe that the government is working on behalf of them. Every dictator has his ignorant followers who don't know what the t***h is so they believe the lies, its safer that way. This is also part of what is so dangerous about our government.
Woodie wrote this and this is exactly what the Obama administration did, not the President's administration. Mike

Iliamna1

Woodie's what Stalin referred to as a useful i***t.' Outwardly he talks about how terrible Putin and the Soviet Union are, but on the other hand, he supports l*****t (t***slate that socialist) dogma. Right now the citizens have one of two choices being offered to them come November. On the left (democratic side) they're offering higher taxes, gun control and confiscation, limitations on the first Amendment, a******n on demand up to and after birth, g****r confusion, discrimination against w****s and Orientals in favor of their shades of skin, r********ns not only to b****s, but also to i*****l i*******t ts, and the list goes in. On the right, We're being offered continued prosperity, treaties that provide a level playing field, lower interest rates, freedom of religion, freedom to own and bear arms and so forth. There's no contest, really, if we want this nation to prosper and succeed.

vernon

woodguru wrote:

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100% agreement on Russia and Putin. Nobody had a problem with sanctions and the reasons they were being done. Whenever a story was aired nobody was divided about the threat Russia poses to the country. Nobody seemed to understand what took place in Afghanistan and was was in effect a proxy war between Russia and NATO countries, in which we effectively broke Russia by providing hundreds of millions worth of arms to those fighting against Russians and their backed factions. Even ignorant people who didn't have much of a clue what had gone on there wouldn't have called anyone talking negative about Russia's role full of BS like they do now.

Patriotism is not blind, it does not have anything to do with loyalty or blind faith.The day a leader crosses a line and supports interests that are against the best interests of this nation and it's people, that leader is on the wrong side.

One need only to look at who and what Putin and Russia by proxy stands for, and you know everything a patriot needs to know to know where their loyalties should be.

...First it's easy to see what Putin is. He came up through the ranks of the KGB, arguably one of the more ruthless and feared c*******t intelligence services in the world. The hallmark of government intelligence in a country like Russia that has total control of people through fear and intimidation, is that the government uses it's intelligence and full authoritarian powers against it's people who object to what the government is doing.
...Another hallmark is that misinformation, rhetoric, and propaganda is used in such a way that people do not know what to believe, and there are those who believe that the government is working on behalf of them. Every dictator has his ignorant followers who don't know what the t***h is so they believe the lies, its safer that way. This is also part of what is so dangerous about our government.
...Russia has aligned itself for the most part with the opposition to those we support, this can be categorized in a democracies versus dictators model. Areas of conflict can be seen to prove this, Russia is allied with Iran, they are courting Iraq, who no longer wants our presence....they worked with Syria and Turkey when Erdogan told us to get out of Syria. We used to support the Ukraine against Russia, now that cannot be said because Trump's loyalties seem to be with Putin, there have been no actions that would prove otherwise when the US actually needed to speak out against Russian incursions We are seeing this all over the world.
...Russia has been openly involved in destabilizing several of our allies politically, including our country although the point of determining where loyalties lay is what this is about. Before trump took office we would have had no problem believing our intelligence whenever we talked about russian cyber and social media type attacks. Now, trump has aligned himself with Putin's word over comprehensive intelligence that can be proved if trump paid attention to it...he doesn't so neither do his followers.

Believing trump at this point has nothing to do with being a patriot, it is in fact the opposite, because this president is on the wrong side of the best interests of this country. This president goes on endlessly about everything being f**e, it in fact is, everything he says and believes is f**e. He owns alternative facts, alt christians who do not know what seeing thing from a perspective of loving people versus hating everyone who isn't christian, f**e love of country being attached to his f**e patriotism, which is attached to his f**e self who prefers Putin's advice to the intelligence services of this country because they don't agree with his underwhelming views.

Telling me I'm not a patriot is a clear indicator that this came from an alternative patriot. It's a worn out and f**e word.

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100%... (show quote)

you are lying again but I'm sure everyone on opp knows what you are by now.You spout off when you were pushing that Russian crap and the other lying scumbag muller was trying to pin it on Trump. Funny how you lousey lying creeps didn't say a word when your burr head obama promised the moon to the
Putin after the e******n. now get them to erase this.

Carol Kelly

woodguru wrote:

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100% agreement on Russia and Putin. Nobody had a problem with sanctions and the reasons they were being done. Whenever a story was aired nobody was divided about the threat Russia poses to the country. Nobody seemed to understand what took place in Afghanistan and was was in effect a proxy war between Russia and NATO countries, in which we effectively broke Russia by providing hundreds of millions worth of arms to those fighting against Russians and their backed factions. Even ignorant people who didn't have much of a clue what had gone on there wouldn't have called anyone talking negative about Russia's role full of BS like they do now.

Patriotism is not blind, it does not have anything to do with loyalty or blind faith.The day a leader crosses a line and supports interests that are against the best interests of this nation and it's people, that leader is on the wrong side.

One need only to look at who and what Putin and Russia by proxy stands for, and you know everything a patriot needs to know to know where their loyalties should be.

...First it's easy to see what Putin is. He came up through the ranks of the KGB, arguably one of the more ruthless and feared c*******t intelligence services in the world. The hallmark of government intelligence in a country like Russia that has total control of people through fear and intimidation, is that the government uses it's intelligence and full authoritarian powers against it's people who object to what the government is doing.
...Another hallmark is that misinformation, rhetoric, and propaganda is used in such a way that people do not know what to believe, and there are those who believe that the government is working on behalf of them. Every dictator has his ignorant followers who don't know what the t***h is so they believe the lies, its safer that way. This is also part of what is so dangerous about our government.
...Russia has aligned itself for the most part with the opposition to those we support, this can be categorized in a democracies versus dictators model. Areas of conflict can be seen to prove this, Russia is allied with Iran, they are courting Iraq, who no longer wants our presence....they worked with Syria and Turkey when Erdogan told us to get out of Syria. We used to support the Ukraine against Russia, now that cannot be said because Trump's loyalties seem to be with Putin, there have been no actions that would prove otherwise when the US actually needed to speak out against Russian incursions We are seeing this all over the world.
...Russia has been openly involved in destabilizing several of our allies politically, including our country although the point of determining where loyalties lay is what this is about. Before trump took office we would have had no problem believing our intelligence whenever we talked about russian cyber and social media type attacks. Now, trump has aligned himself with Putin's word over comprehensive intelligence that can be proved if trump paid attention to it...he doesn't so neither do his followers.

Believing trump at this point has nothing to do with being a patriot, it is in fact the opposite, because this president is on the wrong side of the best interests of this country. This president goes on endlessly about everything being f**e, it in fact is, everything he says and believes is f**e. He owns alternative facts, alt christians who do not know what seeing thing from a perspective of loving people versus hating everyone who isn't christian, f**e love of country being attached to his f**e patriotism, which is attached to his f**e self who prefers Putin's advice to the intelligence services of this country because they don't agree with his underwhelming views.

Telling me I'm not a patriot is a clear indicator that this came from an alternative patriot. It's a worn out and f**e word.

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100%... (show quote)

Trump’s loyalties do not side with Putin. Trump is not f**e, he’s a real American. I almost didn’t read your post because of your past posts, but I did decide to read and thought it was well said right up to the point where you began bashing Trump. Why?
Why do you liberals not see what he’s done for this country? I simply cannot fathom what your motive is.

Carol Kelly

vernon wrote:

you are lying again but I'm sure everyone on opp knows what you are by now.You spout off when you were pushing that Russian crap and the other lying scumbag muller was trying to pin it on Trump. Funny how you lousey lying creeps didn't say a word when your burr head obama promised the moon to the
Putin after the e******n. now get them to erase this.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

woodguru wrote:

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100% agreement on Russia and Putin. Nobody had a problem with sanctions and the reasons they were being done. Whenever a story was aired nobody was divided about the threat Russia poses to the country. Nobody seemed to understand what took place in Afghanistan and was was in effect a proxy war between Russia and NATO countries, in which we effectively broke Russia by providing hundreds of millions worth of arms to those fighting against Russians and their backed factions. Even ignorant people who didn't have much of a clue what had gone on there wouldn't have called anyone talking negative about Russia's role full of BS like they do now.

Patriotism is not blind, it does not have anything to do with loyalty or blind faith.The day a leader crosses a line and supports interests that are against the best interests of this nation and it's people, that leader is on the wrong side.

One need only to look at who and what Putin and Russia by proxy stands for, and you know everything a patriot needs to know to know where their loyalties should be.

...First it's easy to see what Putin is. He came up through the ranks of the KGB, arguably one of the more ruthless and feared c*******t intelligence services in the world. The hallmark of government intelligence in a country like Russia that has total control of people through fear and intimidation, is that the government uses it's intelligence and full authoritarian powers against it's people who object to what the government is doing.
...Another hallmark is that misinformation, rhetoric, and propaganda is used in such a way that people do not know what to believe, and there are those who believe that the government is working on behalf of them. Every dictator has his ignorant followers who don't know what the t***h is so they believe the lies, its safer that way. This is also part of what is so dangerous about our government.
...Russia has aligned itself for the most part with the opposition to those we support, this can be categorized in a democracies versus dictators model. Areas of conflict can be seen to prove this, Russia is allied with Iran, they are courting Iraq, who no longer wants our presence....they worked with Syria and Turkey when Erdogan told us to get out of Syria. We used to support the Ukraine against Russia, now that cannot be said because Trump's loyalties seem to be with Putin, there have been no actions that would prove otherwise when the US actually needed to speak out against Russian incursions We are seeing this all over the world.
...Russia has been openly involved in destabilizing several of our allies politically, including our country although the point of determining where loyalties lay is what this is about. Before trump took office we would have had no problem believing our intelligence whenever we talked about russian cyber and social media type attacks. Now, trump has aligned himself with Putin's word over comprehensive intelligence that can be proved if trump paid attention to it...he doesn't so neither do his followers.

Believing trump at this point has nothing to do with being a patriot, it is in fact the opposite, because this president is on the wrong side of the best interests of this country. This president goes on endlessly about everything being f**e, it in fact is, everything he says and believes is f**e. He owns alternative facts, alt christians who do not know what seeing thing from a perspective of loving people versus hating everyone who isn't christian, f**e love of country being attached to his f**e patriotism, which is attached to his f**e self who prefers Putin's advice to the intelligence services of this country because they don't agree with his underwhelming views.

Telling me I'm not a patriot is a clear indicator that this came from an alternative patriot. It's a worn out and f**e word.

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100%... (show quote)

Except you place no blame on Hillary who bought and paid for the Stelle dossier, sold Uranium to Russia which was t***sported by Muller. Stole the nomination from Bernie. Probably had Seth Rich murdered using MS-13. Used her private illegal server for her side deals to enrich the Clinton Foundation. Then deleted 30K emails she was supposed to preserve under court order. Beat her Blackberry to death and sent a courtesy copy to a Chinese company. Other than leaving out those most important facts you're almost right. And that's just a smidgen of her bad illegal actions Comey gave her a free pass on. But Trump bad and needs to be impeached?

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Iliamna1 wrote:

Woodie's what Stalin referred to as a useful i***t... (show quote)

Exactly!..every word!

rebob14

woodguru wrote:

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100% agreement on Russia and Putin. Nobody had a problem with sanctions and the reasons they were being done. Whenever a story was aired nobody was divided about the threat Russia poses to the country. Nobody seemed to understand what took place in Afghanistan and was was in effect a proxy war between Russia and NATO countries, in which we effectively broke Russia by providing hundreds of millions worth of arms to those fighting against Russians and their backed factions. Even ignorant people who didn't have much of a clue what had gone on there wouldn't have called anyone talking negative about Russia's role full of BS like they do now.

Patriotism is not blind, it does not have anything to do with loyalty or blind faith.The day a leader crosses a line and supports interests that are against the best interests of this nation and it's people, that leader is on the wrong side.

One need only to look at who and what Putin and Russia by proxy stands for, and you know everything a patriot needs to know to know where their loyalties should be.

...First it's easy to see what Putin is. He came up through the ranks of the KGB, arguably one of the more ruthless and feared c*******t intelligence services in the world. The hallmark of government intelligence in a country like Russia that has total control of people through fear and intimidation, is that the government uses it's intelligence and full authoritarian powers against it's people who object to what the government is doing.
...Another hallmark is that misinformation, rhetoric, and propaganda is used in such a way that people do not know what to believe, and there are those who believe that the government is working on behalf of them. Every dictator has his ignorant followers who don't know what the t***h is so they believe the lies, its safer that way. This is also part of what is so dangerous about our government.
...Russia has aligned itself for the most part with the opposition to those we support, this can be categorized in a democracies versus dictators model. Areas of conflict can be seen to prove this, Russia is allied with Iran, they are courting Iraq, who no longer wants our presence....they worked with Syria and Turkey when Erdogan told us to get out of Syria. We used to support the Ukraine against Russia, now that cannot be said because Trump's loyalties seem to be with Putin, there have been no actions that would prove otherwise when the US actually needed to speak out against Russian incursions We are seeing this all over the world.
...Russia has been openly involved in destabilizing several of our allies politically, including our country although the point of determining where loyalties lay is what this is about. Before trump took office we would have had no problem believing our intelligence whenever we talked about russian cyber and social media type attacks. Now, trump has aligned himself with Putin's word over comprehensive intelligence that can be proved if trump paid attention to it...he doesn't so neither do his followers.

Believing trump at this point has nothing to do with being a patriot, it is in fact the opposite, because this president is on the wrong side of the best interests of this country. This president goes on endlessly about everything being f**e, it in fact is, everything he says and believes is f**e. He owns alternative facts, alt christians who do not know what seeing thing from a perspective of loving people versus hating everyone who isn't christian, f**e love of country being attached to his f**e patriotism, which is attached to his f**e self who prefers Putin's advice to the intelligence services of this country because they don't agree with his underwhelming views.

Telling me I'm not a patriot is a clear indicator that this came from an alternative patriot. It's a worn out and f**e word.

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100%... (show quote)

Get over the personality driven class thing............Putin’s only power is fear driven progressives! The true metric of real power is a nation’s economic power———-Russia’s economy is one seventeenth of America’s!!!

maryjane

woodguru wrote:

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100% agreement on Russia and Putin. Nobody had a problem with sanctions and the reasons they were being done. Whenever a story was aired nobody was divided about the threat Russia poses to the country. Nobody seemed to understand what took place in Afghanistan and was was in effect a proxy war between Russia and NATO countries, in which we effectively broke Russia by providing hundreds of millions worth of arms to those fighting against Russians and their backed factions. Even ignorant people who didn't have much of a clue what had gone on there wouldn't have called anyone talking negative about Russia's role full of BS like they do now.

Patriotism is not blind, it does not have anything to do with loyalty or blind faith.The day a leader crosses a line and supports interests that are against the best interests of this nation and it's people, that leader is on the wrong side.

One need only to look at who and what Putin and Russia by proxy stands for, and you know everything a patriot needs to know to know where their loyalties should be.

...First it's easy to see what Putin is. He came up through the ranks of the KGB, arguably one of the more ruthless and feared c*******t intelligence services in the world. The hallmark of government intelligence in a country like Russia that has total control of people through fear and intimidation, is that the government uses it's intelligence and full authoritarian powers against it's people who object to what the government is doing.
...Another hallmark is that misinformation, rhetoric, and propaganda is used in such a way that people do not know what to believe, and there are those who believe that the government is working on behalf of them. Every dictator has his ignorant followers who don't know what the t***h is so they believe the lies, its safer that way. This is also part of what is so dangerous about our government.
...Russia has aligned itself for the most part with the opposition to those we support, this can be categorized in a democracies versus dictators model. Areas of conflict can be seen to prove this, Russia is allied with Iran, they are courting Iraq, who no longer wants our presence....they worked with Syria and Turkey when Erdogan told us to get out of Syria. We used to support the Ukraine against Russia, now that cannot be said because Trump's loyalties seem to be with Putin, there have been no actions that would prove otherwise when the US actually needed to speak out against Russian incursions We are seeing this all over the world.
...Russia has been openly involved in destabilizing several of our allies politically, including our country although the point of determining where loyalties lay is what this is about. Before trump took office we would have had no problem believing our intelligence whenever we talked about russian cyber and social media type attacks. Now, trump has aligned himself with Putin's word over comprehensive intelligence that can be proved if trump paid attention to it...he doesn't so neither do his followers.

Believing trump at this point has nothing to do with being a patriot, it is in fact the opposite, because this president is on the wrong side of the best interests of this country. This president goes on endlessly about everything being f**e, it in fact is, everything he says and believes is f**e. He owns alternative facts, alt christians who do not know what seeing thing from a perspective of loving people versus hating everyone who isn't christian, f**e love of country being attached to his f**e patriotism, which is attached to his f**e self who prefers Putin's advice to the intelligence services of this country because they don't agree with his underwhelming views.

Telling me I'm not a patriot is a clear indicator that this came from an alternative patriot. It's a worn out and f**e word.

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100%... (show quote)

Okay, but our congress, especially the democrats, have been on the wrong side of the best interests of the USA and American citizens for decades now. And the Obama put our government agencies against our interests. And the l*****t judges have certainly not acted in our interests. So, is there anyone, any leader, any organization/agency that deserves our trust anymore? Bottom line, any person who supports the following is AGAINST the best interests of the USA and ordinary actual American citizens: 1. The continual monetary subsidizing of a multitude of foreign nations despite our obscene national debt. 2. The deliberate destruction and t***sformation of America by the constant massive, unfettered invasion of needy, greedy, s**mming foreigners, legals, i******s, refugees/asylees, TPS, visa overstays, foreign workers, anchor babies, etc. 3. The continual borrowing and spending of money we do not have and can never repay. 4. The deliberate giving of rights/benefits/privileges meant only for US citizens to tens of millions of foreign noncitizens while forcing American taxpayers to support these people. 5. The determination, especially of democrats, to give amnesty (and eventual citizenship) to all foreigners already living here and those yet to come. 6. The blatant refusal to make any of the changes needed to protect us, our country and our future against drugs and unwanted/uninvited/unauthorized foreigners. 7. The refusal to rid our country of all foreign i******s. 8. The refusal to strictly obey all USA laws and the easy twisting of laws.

greenmountaineer Loc: Vermont

woodguru wrote:

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100% agreement on Russia and Putin. Nobody had a problem with sanctions and the reasons they were being done. Whenever a story was aired nobody was divided about the threat Russia poses to the country. Nobody seemed to understand what took place in Afghanistan and was was in effect a proxy war between Russia and NATO countries, in which we effectively broke Russia by providing hundreds of millions worth of arms to those fighting against Russians and their backed factions. Even ignorant people who didn't have much of a clue what had gone on there wouldn't have called anyone talking negative about Russia's role full of BS like they do now.

Patriotism is not blind, it does not have anything to do with loyalty or blind faith.The day a leader crosses a line and supports interests that are against the best interests of this nation and it's people, that leader is on the wrong side.

One need only to look at who and what Putin and Russia by proxy stands for, and you know everything a patriot needs to know to know where their loyalties should be.

...First it's easy to see what Putin is. He came up through the ranks of the KGB, arguably one of the more ruthless and feared c*******t intelligence services in the world. The hallmark of government intelligence in a country like Russia that has total control of people through fear and intimidation, is that the government uses it's intelligence and full authoritarian powers against it's people who object to what the government is doing.
...Another hallmark is that misinformation, rhetoric, and propaganda is used in such a way that people do not know what to believe, and there are those who believe that the government is working on behalf of them. Every dictator has his ignorant followers who don't know what the t***h is so they believe the lies, its safer that way. This is also part of what is so dangerous about our government.
...Russia has aligned itself for the most part with the opposition to those we support, this can be categorized in a democracies versus dictators model. Areas of conflict can be seen to prove this, Russia is allied with Iran, they are courting Iraq, who no longer wants our presence....they worked with Syria and Turkey when Erdogan told us to get out of Syria. We used to support the Ukraine against Russia, now that cannot be said because Trump's loyalties seem to be with Putin, there have been no actions that would prove otherwise when the US actually needed to speak out against Russian incursions We are seeing this all over the world.
...Russia has been openly involved in destabilizing several of our allies politically, including our country although the point of determining where loyalties lay is what this is about. Before trump took office we would have had no problem believing our intelligence whenever we talked about russian cyber and social media type attacks. Now, trump has aligned himself with Putin's word over comprehensive intelligence that can be proved if trump paid attention to it...he doesn't so neither do his followers.

Believing trump at this point has nothing to do with being a patriot, it is in fact the opposite, because this president is on the wrong side of the best interests of this country. This president goes on endlessly about everything being f**e, it in fact is, everything he says and believes is f**e. He owns alternative facts, alt christians who do not know what seeing thing from a perspective of loving people versus hating everyone who isn't christian, f**e love of country being attached to his f**e patriotism, which is attached to his f**e self who prefers Putin's advice to the intelligence services of this country because they don't agree with his underwhelming views.

Telling me I'm not a patriot is a clear indicator that this came from an alternative patriot. It's a worn out and f**e word.

Three or four years ago we would have been in 100%... (show quote)

Well said. We spent too much time, money and lives keeping the USSR from expanding it's authority to feel good about helping Russia expand even more. Russian foreign policy hasn't changed because the geography hasn't changed. And this administration seems more concerned with winning e******ns than with supporting our allies.