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Jan 22, 2020 22:58:48   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
ExperienceCounts wrote:
"Canuckus Deploracus--How long will it take, if trump isn't re-elected, for it to be a crime if you are conservative, rightist, a registered Republican, Christian, straight, white male, or other non-progressive ideology? "


Wait, a minute here. It is just shy of a crime already. The government has already taken Christian prayer out of school. The l*****ts demand conservatives not speak on a college campus, get in conservatives' faces if they disagree with you, forbid religious groups to serve the masses (hospitals, adoption), ignore established laws for judicial trials, and the list continues. Conservatives are vilified and attacked in public for their views.

And lest we forget, according to the left, everyone will get free health care, housing, higher education, mass t***sportation when they control our nation.

However, to accomplish this, those straight, white, conservative, rightist males, the families they support, and other Christians will be forced to give up their assets to the entitled masses who deserve it, just because the left says so. [Eminent domain already exists and warrantless searches.] Not because they've worked for what they want or need, but because "I want."

Then, there is wanting to do away with the constitution and ignoring history, politicians wanting to take God out of everything, failure to be proud of our country. And that's just for starters before you even get into DNA not being absolute as to sex, and the mess the l*****ts want to make of our society trying to pass ill-conceived laws guaranteeing "e******y" of g****r fluidity.

Hum, I wonder if the left has figured out, that if they trample the rights of the conservatives, that they will also trample the rights of the left. Eminent domain and government ownership of assets will have to occur equally across the board. The exceptions will be for those in political power or favor.
"Canuckus Deploracus--How long will it take, ... (show quote)


Have you ever noticed that when someone gets g****r reassignment surgery they are offered only one of two dichotomous choices; Male or Female.

Have you ever read Walden Two by B.F. Skinner? It was assigned reading in my first Political Science course. What a bunch of crapola. But the l*****t professors love it as opposed to something like Ayn Rand, Solzhenitsyn, or Orwell. I don't think the kids today have read any of these. More like Das Kapital.

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Jan 22, 2020 23:00:57   #
Iliamna1
 
ExperienceCounts wrote:
"Canuckus Deploracus--How long will it take, if trump isn't re-elected, for it to be a crime if you are conservative, rightist, a registered Republican, Christian, straight, white male, or other non-progressive ideology? "


Wait, a minute here. It is just shy of a crime already. The government has already taken Christian prayer out of school. The l*****ts demand conservatives not speak on a college campus, get in conservatives' faces if they disagree with you, forbid religious groups to serve the masses (hospitals, adoption), ignore established laws for judicial trials, and the list continues. Conservatives are vilified and attacked in public for their views.

And lest we forget, according to the left, everyone will get free health care, housing, higher education, mass t***sportation when they control our nation.

However, to accomplish this, those straight, white, conservative, rightist males, the families they support, and other Christians will be forced to give up their assets to the entitled masses who deserve it, just because the left says so. [Eminent domain already exists and warrantless searches.] Not because they've worked for what they want or need, but because "I want."

Then, there is wanting to do away with the constitution and ignoring history, politicians wanting to take God out of everything, failure to be proud of our country. And that's just for starters before you even get into DNA not being absolute as to sex, and the mess the l*****ts want to make of our society trying to pass ill-conceived laws guaranteeing "e******y" of g****r fluidity.

Hum, I wonder if the left has figured out, that if they trample the rights of the conservatives, that they will also trample the rights of the left. Eminent domain and government ownership of assets will have to occur equally across the board. The exceptions will be for those in political power or favor.
"Canuckus Deploracus--How long will it take, ... (show quote)

Great post and cuts to the heart of the matter. Liberalism is a form of insanity, where black is white, right is wrong and up is down.

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Jan 23, 2020 00:36:34   #
DogLover99
 
Question Authority wrote:
How long will it take, if trump is re-elected, for it to be crime if you are liberal, l*****t, a registered Democrat, atheist, agnostic or other non Christian religion?


It should happen immediately and then off to the Gulag for re-education!!!

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Jan 23, 2020 06:59:47   #
zillaorange
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Since you are bent on getting the last word in on this, I will leave it at that since you refuse to learn anything you don't want to learn. I refuse to do a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. It wouldn't be fair to you.


"You've got a Republic, if you can keep it" Ben Franklin, Constitutional Convention 1787 ! Read a book. Nuff said ! You might as well check out Federalist Paper # 10 pg 81, 1788, James Madison.

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Jan 23, 2020 07:09:53   #
zillaorange
 
padremike wrote:
Not under our Constitution backed up by the 2nd Amendment. This is the reason Progressives are determined to erode the 2nd Amendment by small incremental bits and pieces and why Conservatives are defending American original rights. We must remember those amendments are there to inform us of what our government cannot do.


You're right padremike, I got that wrong. Will have to check into it. Thanks

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Jan 23, 2020 07:54:10   #
zillaorange
 
That's the problem with America, Americans !!! They don't know what they've got & that's why we're going to lose it ! Since you're from north of the boarder, some slack will be shown ! LOL

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Jan 23, 2020 09:00:41   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
zillaorange wrote:
"You've got a Republic, if you can keep it" Ben Franklin, Constitutional Convention 1787 ! Read a book. Nuff said ! You might as well check out Federalist Paper # 10 pg 81, 1788, James Madison.


Do you have any proof that a republic is not a form of democracy?

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Jan 23, 2020 09:22:10   #
zillaorange
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Do you have any proof that a republic is not a form of democracy?


Do you have any proof a republic is some kind of democracy ? 1st, please read the qoutes I provided earlier by Franklin & Madison. Why did they SPECIFICALLY refer to America as a REPUBLIC ?

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Jan 23, 2020 09:29:45   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
zillaorange wrote:
Do you have any proof a republic is some kind of democracy ? 1st, please read the qoutes I provided earlier by Franklin & Madison. Why did they SPECIFICALLY refer to America as a REPUBLIC ?


Only the definition given by the dictionary... AKA the meaning of the word.. From Cambridge...

Republic:
a country without a king or queen, usually governed by elected representatives of the people and a president

Democracy:
the belief in freedom and e******y between people, or a system of government based on this belief, in which power is either held by elected representatives or directly by the people themselves



You might enjoy this... From Mirriam Webster...

Is the United States a democracy or a republic?
One of the most commonly encountered questions about the word democracy has nothing to do with its spelling or pronunciation, and isn’t even directly related to the meaning of the word itself. That question is “is the United States a democracy or a republic?” The answer to this, as with so many other questions about meaning, may be phrased as some form of “it depends.”

Some people assert that a country calling itself a democracy must be engaged in direct (or pure) democracy, in which the people of a state or region v**e directly for policies, rather than elect representatives who make choices on their behalf. People who follow this line of reasoning hold that the United States is more properly described as a republic, using the following definition of that word: "a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to v**e and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law."

However, both democracy and republic have more than a single meaning, and one of the definitions we provide for democracy closely resembles the definition of republic given above: "a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free e******ns."

So if someone asks you if the United States is a democracy or a republic, you may safely answer the question with either “both” or “it depends.”

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Jan 23, 2020 09:30:32   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
zillaorange wrote:
Do you have any proof a republic is some kind of democracy ? 1st, please read the qoutes I provided earlier by Franklin & Madison. Why did they SPECIFICALLY refer to America as a REPUBLIC ?


Also... The USSR, PRC, and PRK are all republics...

Good company

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Jan 23, 2020 09:47:46   #
zillaorange
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Only the definition given by the dictionary... AKA the meaning of the word.. From Cambridge...

Republic:
a country without a king or queen, usually governed by elected representatives of the people and a president

Democracy:
the belief in freedom and e******y between people, or a system of government based on this belief, in which power is either held by elected representatives or directly by the people themselves



You might enjoy this... From Mirriam Webster...

Is the United States a democracy or a republic?
One of the most commonly encountered questions about the word democracy has nothing to do with its spelling or pronunciation, and isn’t even directly related to the meaning of the word itself. That question is “is the United States a democracy or a republic?” The answer to this, as with so many other questions about meaning, may be phrased as some form of “it depends.”

Some people assert that a country calling itself a democracy must be engaged in direct (or pure) democracy, in which the people of a state or region v**e directly for policies, rather than elect representatives who make choices on their behalf. People who follow this line of reasoning hold that the United States is more properly described as a republic, using the following definition of that word: "a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to v**e and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law."

However, both democracy and republic have more than a single meaning, and one of the definitions we provide for democracy closely resembles the definition of republic given above: "a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free e******ns."

So if someone asks you if the United States is a democracy or a republic, you may safely answer the question with either “both” or “it depends.”
Only the definition given by the dictionary... AKA... (show quote)


"it depends" kinda sounds like "depends on what the definition of 'is' is ! I'm surprised Canuckus ! I've always considered you a top of the list person on the forum. Why won't you go back to the quotes I cited & go from there ? The "Federalist Papers" was the debate about republic v democracy ! You told me to read, I do. Unless you can point out an incorrect statement on my part please point it out ! Don't hit me with vague statements. The primary difference is that a Republic gives power to the "individual". A democracy gives power to a "group" .

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Jan 23, 2020 10:19:16   #
zillaorange
 
zillaorange wrote:
"it depends" kinda sounds like "depends on what the definition of 'is' is ! I'm surprised Canuckus ! I've always considered you a top of the list person on the forum. Why won't you go back to the quotes I cited & go from there ? The "Federalist Papers" was the debate about republic v democracy ! You told me to read, I do. Unless you can point out an incorrect statement on my part please point it out ! Don't hit me with vague statements. The primary difference is that a Republic gives power to the "individual". A democracy gives power to a "group" .
"it depends" kinda sounds like "dep... (show quote)


1 more thing, I consider it a Direct insult to compare the U. S. of A. to the USSR, PRC & PRK !!!

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Jan 23, 2020 10:33:58   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
zillaorange wrote:
"it depends" kinda sounds like "depends on what the definition of 'is' is ! I'm surprised Canuckus ! I've always considered you a top of the list person on the forum. Why won't you go back to the quotes I cited & go from there ? The "Federalist Papers" was the debate about republic v democracy ! You told me to read, I do. Unless you can point out an incorrect statement on my part please point it out ! Don't hit me with vague statements. The primary difference is that a Republic gives power to the "individual". A democracy gives power to a "group" .
"it depends" kinda sounds like "dep... (show quote)


Neither republics nor democracies inherently give power to the individual or the group... It depends on the constitution of the nation...

Canada is a democracy, but a 51% v**e does nothing at any level... Whereas in the US, both the House and the Senate have allowed v**es of 51% to determine policy...

The article from Miriam Webster was interesting, not definitive...

My point was that stating that America is a democracy is not an incorrect statement...

It is not a "pure democracy" which would describe a nation that allowed a 51% v**e to determine law, but then no nation is or ever has been...

I shall reread the links you provided, as I have always considered you to be one of the better posters as well

Stay strong

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Jan 23, 2020 10:35:31   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
zillaorange wrote:
1 more thing, I consider it a Direct insult to compare the U. S. of A. to the USSR, PRC & PRK !!!


Apologies... I didn't mean it as a comparison... Although I can see how my tag at the end might lead to that conclusion...

I was simply pointing out that they are all republics as well... Although with vastly different constitutions...

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Jan 23, 2020 10:36:31   #
zillaorange
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Neither republics nor democracies inherently give power to the individual or the group... It depends on the constitution of the nation...

Canada is a democracy, but a 51% v**e does nothing at any level... Whereas in the US, both the House and the Senate have allowed v**es of 51% to determine policy...

The article from Miriam Webster was interesting, not definitive...

My point was that stating that America is a democracy is not an incorrect statement...

It is not a "pure democracy" which would describe a nation that allowed a 51% v**e to determine law, but then no nation is or ever has been...

I shall reread the links you provided, as I have always considered you to be one of the better posters as well

Stay strong
Neither republics nor democracies inherently give ... (show quote)


Thanks, I will. Personally, I'm sticking with Franklin & Madisom !

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