Come on, people are smart enough to know what things ring true, we know what makes sense... what's missing is whether or not people have even looked at it or not. Minds are made up, beliefs are formed ahead of looking at the facts.
A response such as "I don't need to look at the evidence because it's all BS" is perhaps part of the definition of willful ignorance. People are choosing to refuse to pay attention to what's going on, this leaves speculation about whether there is a deep understanding that the facts don't help a position so there is no point in confusing the issue with facts, or there is full recognition that there is guilt but you don't care, so why look at what can't be defended.
When pinned down to an answer responses go south, well look at what Obama/Hillary did...so what. It's not as bad as what dems do/did...the famous go to defense. Or he's the president, he can do wh**ever he wants... or, it's a stupid rule anyway, so what?
People believing rhetoric when any degree of common sense would cause you to call BS makes a person look really stupid, not just ignorant, but ignorant and stupid.
Common sense needs to come into play in several regards...
...it makes no sense to defend a position and argue evidence is BS without looking at it first
...there are many things that common sense tells you are real even when you are being lied to, use it
...when your common sense is there it makes no sense to buy into complications you can't follow, trust the common sense
Common sense tells us some basic facts we learn and see all of our lives, yet people disregard them...
...I think everyone has a basic understanding that the party trying to hide information is probably hiding something that doesn't support their position. That is common sense
...take it a step further, everyone can figure out that refusing to cooperate with investigations is obstruction and that is a crime even if the original wrongdoing isn't, so put your common sense to work and know we need to see the facts
...everyone has a basic understanding from a common sense perspective that the idea that somehow the t***h will be used against the president if it comes out. Come on really, think about that and apply common sense, how does the t***h do anything but indicate guilt or innocence? Not using common sense here is really dumb, it's not an intelligent position if we think about it, yet that theory as stupid as it sounds has come out of the mouths of FOX OpEd figures. People aren't using their common sense when ideas like that are allowed in their heads.
We have drug industry regulations that are desperately needed, and the right allows their common sense to go entirely unused...
...nothing changes that would affect the price of a drug, yet we see the price go up hundreds of thousands of percent. No reason needed, because there is nobody like the government telling them they can't. Show me every GOP defense for the industry and the arguments come from the industry. We see those on the right repeating it without ever using their common sense to say BS, every argument for not regulating the industry has a response that blows it out of the water if you look at the reality that common sense would tell us is BS. They wouldn't have the money for research and development...BS, the last 200 plus drugs approved were paid for with subsidies for R&D. They have a right to price things wherever they want...BS, they do not, the government has a right to shop prices and set prices by factors that are relevant such as what the drug is sold to private healthcare companies or other countries. Why should the government be forced to pay wh**ever they want regardless of what the real price is or should be? Common sense here folks, put it before truly silly rhetorical arguments that you support without thinking for yourself.
Common sense would cause people to look further and realize some very weak arguments are being used by the right. Common sense will tell you that every single article in the media that doesn't agree with the hard right positions is f**e is virtually impossible. So common sense will then cause a person to look to see what is real, what is the t***h that cannot be denied. Not everything written by a source is 100% correct and true, but common sense will tell you that it would be rather stupid to believe that there is nothing any given source says that is true.
Common sense would make people see that they are being stupid when they are taking ignorance too far in terms of supporting ignorant positions that common sense should be prevailing on.
woodguru wrote:
Come on, people are smart enough to know what things ring true, we know what makes sense... what's missing is whether or not people have even looked at it or not. Minds are made up, beliefs are formed ahead of looking at the facts.
A response such as "I don't need to look at the evidence because it's all BS" is perhaps part of the definition of willful ignorance. People are choosing to refuse to pay attention to what's going on, this leaves speculation about whether there is a deep understanding that the facts don't help a position so there is no point in confusing the issue with facts, or there is full recognition that there is guilt but you don't care, so why look at what can't be defended.
When pinned down to an answer responses go south, well look at what Obama/Hillary did...so what. It's not as bad as what dems do/did...the famous go to defense. Or he's the president, he can do wh**ever he wants... or, it's a stupid rule anyway, so what?
People believing rhetoric when any degree of common sense would cause you to call BS makes a person look really stupid, not just ignorant, but ignorant and stupid.
Common sense needs to come into play in several regards...
...it makes no sense to defend a position and argue evidence is BS without looking at it first
...there are many things that common sense tells you are real even when you are being lied to, use it
...when your common sense is there it makes no sense to buy into complications you can't follow, trust the common sense
Common sense tells us some basic facts we learn and see all of our lives, yet people disregard them...
...I think everyone has a basic understanding that the party trying to hide information is probably hiding something that doesn't support their position. That is common sense
...take it a step further, everyone can figure out that refusing to cooperate with investigations is obstruction and that is a crime even if the original wrongdoing isn't, so put your common sense to work and know we need to see the facts
...everyone has a basic understanding from a common sense perspective that the idea that somehow the t***h will be used against the president if it comes out. Come on really, think about that and apply common sense, how does the t***h do anything but indicate guilt or innocence? Not using common sense here is really dumb, it's not an intelligent position if we think about it, yet that theory as stupid as it sounds has come out of the mouths of FOX OpEd figures. People aren't using their common sense when ideas like that are allowed in their heads.
We have drug industry regulations that are desperately needed, and the right allows their common sense to go entirely unused...
...nothing changes that would affect the price of a drug, yet we see the price go up hundreds of thousands of percent. No reason needed, because there is nobody like the government telling them they can't. Show me every GOP defense for the industry and the arguments come from the industry. We see those on the right repeating it without ever using their common sense to say BS, every argument for not regulating the industry has a response that blows it out of the water if you look at the reality that common sense would tell us is BS. They wouldn't have the money for research and development...BS, the last 200 plus drugs approved were paid for with subsidies for R&D. They have a right to price things wherever they want...BS, they do not, the government has a right to shop prices and set prices by factors that are relevant such as what the drug is sold to private healthcare companies or other countries. Why should the government be forced to pay wh**ever they want regardless of what the real price is or should be? Common sense here folks, put it before truly silly rhetorical arguments that you support without thinking for yourself.
Common sense would cause people to look further and realize some very weak arguments are being used by the right. Common sense will tell you that every single article in the media that doesn't agree with the hard right positions is f**e is virtually impossible. So common sense will then cause a person to look to see what is real, what is the t***h that cannot be denied. Not everything written by a source is 100% correct and true, but common sense will tell you that it would be rather stupid to believe that there is nothing any given source says that is true.Common sense would make people see that they are being stupid when they are taking ignorance too far in terms of supporting ignorant positions that common sense should be prevailing on.
Come on, people are smart enough to know what thin... (
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Common sense dictates that since the l*****t have been crying 'impeach Trump' since the day he was inaugurated (actually I believe it was brought up on 7 November 2016), their "evidence" needs to be very carefully evaluated; tends to smell like 'we know he did something wrong (such as beat hillary), we just need to find it'.
Common sense also dictates that the FBI (allegedly the best crime fighters in the world) made 17 major "mistakes" in the FISA applications.
woodguru wrote:
Come on, people are smart enough to know what things ring true, we know what makes sense... what's missing is whether or not people have even looked at it or not. Minds are made up, beliefs are formed ahead of looking at the facts.
A response such as "I don't need to look at the evidence because it's all BS" is perhaps part of the definition of willful ignorance. People are choosing to refuse to pay attention to what's going on, this leaves speculation about whether there is a deep understanding that the facts don't help a position so there is no point in confusing the issue with facts, or there is full recognition that there is guilt but you don't care, so why look at what can't be defended.
When pinned down to an answer responses go south, well look at what Obama/Hillary did...so what. It's not as bad as what dems do/did...the famous go to defense. Or he's the president, he can do wh**ever he wants... or, it's a stupid rule anyway, so what?
People believing rhetoric when any degree of common sense would cause you to call BS makes a person look really stupid, not just ignorant, but ignorant and stupid.
Common sense needs to come into play in several regards...
...it makes no sense to defend a position and argue evidence is BS without looking at it first
...there are many things that common sense tells you are real even when you are being lied to, use it
...when your common sense is there it makes no sense to buy into complications you can't follow, trust the common sense
Common sense tells us some basic facts we learn and see all of our lives, yet people disregard them...
...I think everyone has a basic understanding that the party trying to hide information is probably hiding something that doesn't support their position. That is common sense
...take it a step further, everyone can figure out that refusing to cooperate with investigations is obstruction and that is a crime even if the original wrongdoing isn't, so put your common sense to work and know we need to see the facts
...everyone has a basic understanding from a common sense perspective that the idea that somehow the t***h will be used against the president if it comes out. Come on really, think about that and apply common sense, how does the t***h do anything but indicate guilt or innocence? Not using common sense here is really dumb, it's not an intelligent position if we think about it, yet that theory as stupid as it sounds has come out of the mouths of FOX OpEd figures. People aren't using their common sense when ideas like that are allowed in their heads.
We have drug industry regulations that are desperately needed, and the right allows their common sense to go entirely unused...
...nothing changes that would affect the price of a drug, yet we see the price go up hundreds of thousands of percent. No reason needed, because there is nobody like the government telling them they can't. Show me every GOP defense for the industry and the arguments come from the industry. We see those on the right repeating it without ever using their common sense to say BS, every argument for not regulating the industry has a response that blows it out of the water if you look at the reality that common sense would tell us is BS. They wouldn't have the money for research and development...BS, the last 200 plus drugs approved were paid for with subsidies for R&D. They have a right to price things wherever they want...BS, they do not, the government has a right to shop prices and set prices by factors that are relevant such as what the drug is sold to private healthcare companies or other countries. Why should the government be forced to pay wh**ever they want regardless of what the real price is or should be? Common sense here folks, put it before truly silly rhetorical arguments that you support without thinking for yourself.
Common sense would cause people to look further and realize some very weak arguments are being used by the right. Common sense will tell you that every single article in the media that doesn't agree with the hard right positions is f**e is virtually impossible. So common sense will then cause a person to look to see what is real, what is the t***h that cannot be denied. Not everything written by a source is 100% correct and true, but common sense will tell you that it would be rather stupid to believe that there is nothing any given source says that is true.
Common sense would make people see that they are being stupid when they are taking ignorance too far in terms of supporting ignorant positions that common sense should be prevailing on.
Come on, people are smart enough to know what thin... (
show quote)
When has common sense entered into your preconceived ideas?
woodguru wrote:
Come on, people are smart enough to know what things ring true, we know what makes sense... what's missing is whether or not people have even looked at it or not. Minds are made up, beliefs are formed ahead of looking at the facts.
A response such as "I don't need to look at the evidence because it's all BS" is perhaps part of the definition of willful ignorance. People are choosing to refuse to pay attention to what's going on, this leaves speculation about whether there is a deep understanding that the facts don't help a position so there is no point in confusing the issue with facts, or there is full recognition that there is guilt but you don't care, so why look at what can't be defended.
When pinned down to an answer responses go south, well look at what Obama/Hillary did...so what. It's not as bad as what dems do/did...the famous go to defense. Or he's the president, he can do wh**ever he wants... or, it's a stupid rule anyway, so what?
People believing rhetoric when any degree of common sense would cause you to call BS makes a person look really stupid, not just ignorant, but ignorant and stupid.
Common sense needs to come into play in several regards...
...it makes no sense to defend a position and argue evidence is BS without looking at it first
...there are many things that common sense tells you are real even when you are being lied to, use it
...when your common sense is there it makes no sense to buy into complications you can't follow, trust the common sense
Common sense tells us some basic facts we learn and see all of our lives, yet people disregard them...
...I think everyone has a basic understanding that the party trying to hide information is probably hiding something that doesn't support their position. That is common sense
...take it a step further, everyone can figure out that refusing to cooperate with investigations is obstruction and that is a crime even if the original wrongdoing isn't, so put your common sense to work and know we need to see the facts
...everyone has a basic understanding from a common sense perspective that the idea that somehow the t***h will be used against the president if it comes out. Come on really, think about that and apply common sense, how does the t***h do anything but indicate guilt or innocence? Not using common sense here is really dumb, it's not an intelligent position if we think about it, yet that theory as stupid as it sounds has come out of the mouths of FOX OpEd figures. People aren't using their common sense when ideas like that are allowed in their heads.
We have drug industry regulations that are desperately needed, and the right allows their common sense to go entirely unused...
...nothing changes that would affect the price of a drug, yet we see the price go up hundreds of thousands of percent. No reason needed, because there is nobody like the government telling them they can't. Show me every GOP defense for the industry and the arguments come from the industry. We see those on the right repeating it without ever using their common sense to say BS, every argument for not regulating the industry has a response that blows it out of the water if you look at the reality that common sense would tell us is BS. They wouldn't have the money for research and development...BS, the last 200 plus drugs approved were paid for with subsidies for R&D. They have a right to price things wherever they want...BS, they do not, the government has a right to shop prices and set prices by factors that are relevant such as what the drug is sold to private healthcare companies or other countries. Why should the government be forced to pay wh**ever they want regardless of what the real price is or should be? Common sense here folks, put it before truly silly rhetorical arguments that you support without thinking for yourself.
Common sense would cause people to look further and realize some very weak arguments are being used by the right. Common sense will tell you that every single article in the media that doesn't agree with the hard right positions is f**e is virtually impossible. So common sense will then cause a person to look to see what is real, what is the t***h that cannot be denied. Not everything written by a source is 100% correct and true, but common sense will tell you that it would be rather stupid to believe that there is nothing any given source says that is true.
Common sense would make people see that they are being stupid when they are taking ignorance too far in terms of supporting ignorant positions that common sense should be prevailing on.
Come on, people are smart enough to know what thin... (
show quote)
I definitely agree with you in your 1st 4 paragraphs & that we should all exercise our "common sense", but the rest of your spiel tells me you really don't have a heck of a lot of it!
"...I think everyone has a basic understanding that the party trying to hide information is probably hiding something that doesn't support their position. That is common sense"...BUT IS IT? Perhaps the "party" is smart enough to realize that anything and everything WILL be used against them and the only COMMON SENSE way to deal with that is to reveal as little as possible!
..."everyone can figure out that refusing to cooperate with investigations is obstruction and that is a crime even if the original wrongdoing isn't, so put your common sense to work and know we need to see the facts"...using lawful P**********l privilege to deny testimony is NOT A CRIME & we would need to see ALL the facts, not just the ones that the Dem's want you to see!
..."how does the t***h do anything but indicate guilt or innocence?" With the way the MSM twists & turns and distorts the T***H...most people will never hear the REAL T***H. You accuse Fox but it also happens on the other side. 93% NEGATIVE press on Trump in the last 3 years! Come on..."common sense" SHOULD tell you that isn't even possible!!
I agree with you the legal drug business in this country is a mess! The FDA is an over bloated agency run by un-elected bureaucrats, lots of room for improvement there!
..."Common sense will tell you that every single article in the media that doesn't agree with the hard right positions is f**e is virtually impossible. So common sense will then cause a person to look to see what is real, what is the t***h that cannot be denied. Not everything written by a source is 100% correct and true, but common sense will tell you that it would be rather stupid to believe that there is nothing any given source says that is true." ......Ditto the 93% Negative press on President Trump also makes that point!
"Common sense would make people see that they are being stupid when they are taking ignorance too far in terms of supporting ignorant positions that common sense should be prevailing on."
...I couldn't agree with you more on this point, BUT there are plenty of Dem's that are taking ignorance way too far...and not everyone's common sense on the left is right! In fact, "common sense" varies a great deal depending on your life experiences, education, politics and many other factors...there is NO right or wrong "common sense", mine obviously tells me difference things than what your "common sense" tells you!
...so what really is the point of your post, except to try to convince others than you KNOW more than they do? Yep, sounds just like a Dem!
woodguru wrote:
Come on, people are smart enough to know what things ring true, we know what makes sense... what's missing is whether or not people have even looked at it or not. Minds are made up, beliefs are formed ahead of looking at the facts.
A response such as "I don't need to look at the evidence because it's all BS" is perhaps part of the definition of willful ignorance. People are choosing to refuse to pay attention to what's going on, this leaves speculation about whether there is a deep understanding that the facts don't help a position so there is no point in confusing the issue with facts, or there is full recognition that there is guilt but you don't care, so why look at what can't be defended.
When pinned down to an answer responses go south, well look at what Obama/Hillary did...so what. It's not as bad as what dems do/did...the famous go to defense. Or he's the president, he can do wh**ever he wants... or, it's a stupid rule anyway, so what?
People believing rhetoric when any degree of common sense would cause you to call BS makes a person look really stupid, not just ignorant, but ignorant and stupid.
Common sense needs to come into play in several regards...
...it makes no sense to defend a position and argue evidence is BS without looking at it first
...there are many things that common sense tells you are real even when you are being lied to, use it
...when your common sense is there it makes no sense to buy into complications you can't follow, trust the common sense
Common sense tells us some basic facts we learn and see all of our lives, yet people disregard them...
...I think everyone has a basic understanding that the party trying to hide information is probably hiding something that doesn't support their position. That is common sense
...take it a step further, everyone can figure out that refusing to cooperate with investigations is obstruction and that is a crime even if the original wrongdoing isn't, so put your common sense to work and know we need to see the facts
...everyone has a basic understanding from a common sense perspective that the idea that somehow the t***h will be used against the president if it comes out. Come on really, think about that and apply common sense, how does the t***h do anything but indicate guilt or innocence? Not using common sense here is really dumb, it's not an intelligent position if we think about it, yet that theory as stupid as it sounds has come out of the mouths of FOX OpEd figures. People aren't using their common sense when ideas like that are allowed in their heads.
We have drug industry regulations that are desperately needed, and the right allows their common sense to go entirely unused...
...nothing changes that would affect the price of a drug, yet we see the price go up hundreds of thousands of percent. No reason needed, because there is nobody like the government telling them they can't. Show me every GOP defense for the industry and the arguments come from the industry. We see those on the right repeating it without ever using their common sense to say BS, every argument for not regulating the industry has a response that blows it out of the water if you look at the reality that common sense would tell us is BS. They wouldn't have the money for research and development...BS, the last 200 plus drugs approved were paid for with subsidies for R&D. They have a right to price things wherever they want...BS, they do not, the government has a right to shop prices and set prices by factors that are relevant such as what the drug is sold to private healthcare companies or other countries. Why should the government be forced to pay wh**ever they want regardless of what the real price is or should be? Common sense here folks, put it before truly silly rhetorical arguments that you support without thinking for yourself.
Common sense would cause people to look further and realize some very weak arguments are being used by the right. Common sense will tell you that every single article in the media that doesn't agree with the hard right positions is f**e is virtually impossible. So common sense will then cause a person to look to see what is real, what is the t***h that cannot be denied. Not everything written by a source is 100% correct and true, but common sense will tell you that it would be rather stupid to believe that there is nothing any given source says that is true.
Common sense would make people see that they are being stupid when they are taking ignorance too far in terms of supporting ignorant positions that common sense should be prevailing on.
Come on, people are smart enough to know what thin... (
show quote)
Common sense tells me to quit reading your senseless posts trying to show some sort of superior intellect when you can't see the obvious.
Forget about common sense.
We can’t even agree on the facts any more!
As much as you want to present “common sense “ as an objective reality it is not. It became as partisan as c*****e c****e
Auntie Dee wrote:
I definitely agree with you in your 1st 4 paragraphs & that we should all exercise our "common sense", but the rest of your spiel tells me you really don't have a heck of a lot of it!
"...I think everyone has a basic understanding that the party trying to hide information is probably hiding something that doesn't support their position. That is common sense"...BUT IS IT? Perhaps the "party" is smart enough to realize that anything and everything WILL be used against them and the only COMMON SENSE way to deal with that is to reveal as little as possible!
..."everyone can figure out that refusing to cooperate with investigations is obstruction and that is a crime even if the original wrongdoing isn't, so put your common sense to work and know we need to see the facts"...using lawful P**********l privilege to deny testimony is NOT A CRIME & we would need to see ALL the facts, not just the ones that the Dem's want you to see!
..."how does the t***h do anything but indicate guilt or innocence?" With the way the MSM twists & turns and distorts the T***H...most people will never hear the REAL T***H. You accuse Fox but it also happens on the other side. 93% NEGATIVE press on Trump in the last 3 years! Come on..."common sense" SHOULD tell you that isn't even possible!!
I agree with you the legal drug business in this country is a mess! The FDA is an over bloated agency run by un-elected bureaucrats, lots of room for improvement there!
..."Common sense will tell you that every single article in the media that doesn't agree with the hard right positions is f**e is virtually impossible. So common sense will then cause a person to look to see what is real, what is the t***h that cannot be denied. Not everything written by a source is 100% correct and true, but common sense will tell you that it would be rather stupid to believe that there is nothing any given source says that is true." ......Ditto the 93% Negative press on President Trump also makes that point!
"Common sense would make people see that they are being stupid when they are taking ignorance too far in terms of supporting ignorant positions that common sense should be prevailing on."
...I couldn't agree with you more on this point, BUT there are plenty of Dem's that are taking ignorance way too far...and not everyone's common sense on the left is right! In fact, "common sense" varies a great deal depending on your life experiences, education, politics and many other factors...there is NO right or wrong "common sense", mine obviously tells me difference things than what your "common sense" tells you!
...so what really is the point of your post, except to try to convince others than you KNOW more than they do? Yep, sounds just like a Dem!
I definitely agree with you in your 1st 4 paragrap... (
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Gooood response! And very correct!!
woodguru wrote:
Come on, people are smart enough to know what things ring true, we know what makes sense... what's missing is whether or not people have even looked at it or not. Minds are made up, beliefs are formed ahead of looking at the facts.
A response such as "I don't need to look at the evidence because it's all BS" is perhaps part of the definition of willful ignorance. People are choosing to refuse to pay attention to what's going on, this leaves speculation about whether there is a deep understanding that the facts don't help a position so there is no point in confusing the issue with facts, or there is full recognition that there is guilt but you don't care, so why look at what can't be defended.
When pinned down to an answer responses go south, well look at what Obama/Hillary did...so what. It's not as bad as what dems do/did...the famous go to defense. Or he's the president, he can do wh**ever he wants... or, it's a stupid rule anyway, so what?
People believing rhetoric when any degree of common sense would cause you to call BS makes a person look really stupid, not just ignorant, but ignorant and stupid.
Common sense needs to come into play in several regards...
...it makes no sense to defend a position and argue evidence is BS without looking at it first
...there are many things that common sense tells you are real even when you are being lied to, use it
...when your common sense is there it makes no sense to buy into complications you can't follow, trust the common sense
Common sense tells us some basic facts we learn and see all of our lives, yet people disregard them...
...I think everyone has a basic understanding that the party trying to hide information is probably hiding something that doesn't support their position. That is common sense
...take it a step further, everyone can figure out that refusing to cooperate with investigations is obstruction and that is a crime even if the original wrongdoing isn't, so put your common sense to work and know we need to see the facts
...everyone has a basic understanding from a common sense perspective that the idea that somehow the t***h will be used against the president if it comes out. Come on really, think about that and apply common sense, how does the t***h do anything but indicate guilt or innocence? Not using common sense here is really dumb, it's not an intelligent position if we think about it, yet that theory as stupid as it sounds has come out of the mouths of FOX OpEd figures. People aren't using their common sense when ideas like that are allowed in their heads.
We have drug industry regulations that are desperately needed, and the right allows their common sense to go entirely unused...
...nothing changes that would affect the price of a drug, yet we see the price go up hundreds of thousands of percent. No reason needed, because there is nobody like the government telling them they can't. Show me every GOP defense for the industry and the arguments come from the industry. We see those on the right repeating it without ever using their common sense to say BS, every argument for not regulating the industry has a response that blows it out of the water if you look at the reality that common sense would tell us is BS. They wouldn't have the money for research and development...BS, the last 200 plus drugs approved were paid for with subsidies for R&D. They have a right to price things wherever they want...BS, they do not, the government has a right to shop prices and set prices by factors that are relevant such as what the drug is sold to private healthcare companies or other countries. Why should the government be forced to pay wh**ever they want regardless of what the real price is or should be? Common sense here folks, put it before truly silly rhetorical arguments that you support without thinking for yourself.
Common sense would cause people to look further and realize some very weak arguments are being used by the right. Common sense will tell you that every single article in the media that doesn't agree with the hard right positions is f**e is virtually impossible. So common sense will then cause a person to look to see what is real, what is the t***h that cannot be denied. Not everything written by a source is 100% correct and true, but common sense will tell you that it would be rather stupid to believe that there is nothing any given source says that is true.
Common sense would make people see that they are being stupid when they are taking ignorance too far in terms of supporting ignorant positions that common sense should be prevailing on.
Come on, people are smart enough to know what thin... (
show quote)
Based upon what I have seen from the democrats ever since they dedicated their lives to impeachment before Trump was even sworrn in, I'd say that common sense tells us that literally everything the democrats present as "evidence" is BS and not worth a look. They destroyed their credibility. They ARE the boy who cried wolf!!
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