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Jan 13, 2020 15:21:22   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
RT friend wrote:
According to Forbes there is 645 million tons of CO2 emitted by volcanoes each year all up and humans emit 29 billion tons.

So it's overwhelming clear that since the year 1750 (the beginning of industrialization) that industrialization caused the atmospheric carbon dioxide to increase from 280 ppm. to 407 ppm.

The Earth's mantle is full of carbon so it does exacerbate the situation or so you would think, but that is completely wrong, because erupting volcanos do not produce more than 1 billion tons of CO2 each year and that small amount is not even an exacerbation of the dangerous CO2 levels of the atmosphere because the Earth's biological ability can and does sequester that small amount no problems.

The level of CO2 which has been consistent in Earth's evolutionary development over the past 800,000 years as never being any more than 300 ppm. up until the year 1750.

In the year 1750 the CO2 content of the atmosphere was 280 ppm, now it's already 407 ppm. in the year 2018.

The earth's biological evolutionary patterns and procedures don't have the ability to sequester the yearly total of 40 billion tons of CO2 produced by burning f****l f**ls, cement manufacturing, deforestation, and animal husbandry.

Just making the connection between what civilization is and the physical environmental factors that allowed it to happen such a short time ago.

I think this is a determination of success or failure, if the environment is destroyed then Civilization went bad, it must have gone real bad, and leaders must be accountable because in Theological terms all 13•8 billion years that the Universe is old was dev**ed to the past 15 thousand years in which Civilization had it's sole, one and only, opportunity to exist.

That is so far at least, due to the fact that the Earth has another 5 billion years to go before the sun runs out of hydrogen to burn so Civilization could end and restart sometime in the future.

However already history has been explicit, !!! Easter Island, !!! - Rapa Nui - the ultimate fable of glorified individuals being idolized by common folks thinking their fantacies are our fantasies, although not being lived by us but nevertheless we have a place in such grandiose BS, - palm trees cut down to move stupid statues of important people.

This was not instinctive on Easter Island the problum was a competitive hierarchical structure built on kinship and ranting explanations without any calibrated relevance to their real environmental situation.

Just stupid self aggrandizement by a few individual leaders competing with each other to have the biggest statue.

The difference between Easter Island Chiefs and our leaders should be what history shows it should be, otherwise Civilization will end as quickly as it started.

According to Forbes there is 645 million tons of ... (show quote)



Sorry to have to disagee...
What's not in the Volcanic Co2 study is volcanoes have increased from the dozen major explosions per year world wide and since the 90's , we now see that number in just 7 days with over 1500 explosions+/- per year happening now. This number dosen't include undersea eruptions that also have increased.
We have had three massive eruptions in the last 18 months exceeding 64,000 feet, a record in our lifetime.
Having studied earthquakes and volcanoes over the last 40+ years I can say with certainty that the "man made g****l w*****g extremist " including the USGS are hiding information.
Not using Google, Yahoo and instead using Dogpile and DuckduckGo there is factual evidence and research that uses current Volcanic activity rather than vomiting out decades old studies that have false data.

Jack

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Jan 13, 2020 15:53:02   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
RT friend wrote:
According to Forbes there is 645 million tons of CO2 emitted by volcanoes each year all up and humans emit 29 billion tons.

So it's overwhelming clear that since the year 1750 (the beginning of industrialization) that industrialization caused the atmospheric carbon dioxide to increase from 280 ppm. to 407 ppm.

The Earth's mantle is full of carbon so it does exacerbate the situation or so you would think, but that is completely wrong, because erupting volcanos do not produce more than 1 billion tons of CO2 each year and that small amount is not even an exacerbation of the dangerous CO2 levels of the atmosphere because the Earth's biological ability can and does sequester that small amount no problems.

The level of CO2 which has been consistent in Earth's evolutionary development over the past 800,000 years as never being any more than 300 ppm. up until the year 1750.

In the year 1750 the CO2 content of the atmosphere was 280 ppm, now it's already 407 ppm. in the year 2018.

The earth's biological evolutionary patterns and procedures don't have the ability to sequester the yearly total of 40 billion tons of CO2 produced by burning f****l f**ls, cement manufacturing, deforestation, and animal husbandry.

Just making the connection between what civilization is and the physical environmental factors that allowed it to happen such a short time ago.

I think this is a determination of success or failure, if the environment is destroyed then Civilization went bad, it must have gone real bad, and leaders must be accountable because in Theological terms all 13•8 billion years that the Universe is old was dev**ed to the past 15 thousand years in which Civilization had it's sole, one and only, opportunity to exist.

That is so far at least, due to the fact that the Earth has another 5 billion years to go before the sun runs out of hydrogen to burn so Civilization could end and restart sometime in the future.

However already history has been explicit, !!! Easter Island, !!! - Rapa Nui - the ultimate fable of glorified individuals being idolized by common folks thinking their fantacies are our fantasies, although not being lived by us but nevertheless we have a place in such grandiose BS, - palm trees cut down to move stupid statues of important people.

This was not instinctive on Easter Island the problum was a competitive hierarchical structure built on kinship and ranting explanations without any calibrated relevance to their real environmental situation.

Just stupid self aggrandizement by a few individual leaders competing with each other to have the biggest statue.

The difference between Easter Island Chiefs and our leaders should be what history shows it should be, otherwise Civilization will end as quickly as it started.

According to Forbes there is 645 million tons of ... (show quote)


The Easter Islanders didn't use palm trees to move statues! They moved them by rocking them from side to side as they walked them forward.

It's not primarily the anthropogenic CO2 in the atmosphere that caused the problem. It is the amount of HFCs we have been emitting since the ban on CFCs. These HFCs are far more powerful than methane, which can be as much as 25 times more powerful than CO2 as a greenhouse gas. We began creating a problem with the ozone layer because of CFC use starting 80 years ago. Before the ozone hole fully developed over Antarctica, the predictions were for g****l c*****g. We replaced CFCs with HFCs thanks to the Montreal Protocol and began repairing the ozone layer. The HFCs are the real culprit as they are a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2. The Montreal Protocol was based on real science and consensus, unlike g****l w*****g.

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Jan 13, 2020 17:28:38   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
dtucker300 wrote:
The Easter Islanders didn't use palm trees to move statues! They moved them by rocking them from side to side as they walked them forward.

It's not primarily the anthropogenic CO2 in the atmosphere. It is the amount of HFCs we have emitted. These far more powerful than methane, which can be as much as 25 times more powerful than CO2 as a greenhouse gas. We began creating a problem with the ozone layer because of CFCs 80 years ago. Before the ozone hole fully developed over Antarctica, the predictions were for g****l c*****g. We replaced CFCs with HFCs thanks to the Montreal Protocol, and that repaired the ozone layer. The HFCs are the real culprit as they are a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2. The Montreal Protocol was based on real science and consensus, unlike g****l w*****g threat.
The Easter Islanders didn't use palm trees to move... (show quote)


It's CO2 if you fill a green.house with over 400 ppm. of CO2 the empirical evidence is complete it gets hotter because carbon traps heat.

Rocking is much harder than rolling, but that's cool, maybe that's where Elvis got his inspiration from simply joining the two and coming up with Heart Break hotel.

Just listening to Heart Break Hotel I realised what the difference was and I think maybe still is; it's now or never is certainly not the difference probably a synonym called environmental catastrophe, "it's now or never" was after heart break hotel which was Easter Island.

Another synonym as an analogy between, Easter Island and the US could be expressed as fierce competitive militarism.

Although the difference is that there was no external enemy on the Island, no one about to invade causing a need for aggressive posturing, so the islanders formed up and began competitive rituals and ended up destroying the ecology that gave them a habitat.

This competitive militarism of the Islanders is more or less the same mind set as most explicitly presented in the US, and came from internal competition on Easter Island and not from external threats as in the US that's the difference.

However the vast majority in both situations were and are wanting to be special, or more like the vast majority tend to accept the only type of specialness that is possible for them to garner in both cases - Rapa Nui and the US - this specialness is competitive militarism.

As shown by the archeological record of Easter Island the specialness came from the top down as permanent revolution consolidating wealth and privlige in the hands of the hierarchy which required strenuous actions by their rank and file in order for the commoners to achieve acceptance and be rewarded with indiviual emotional gratification after demonstrating a specific type of acceptable personality and opinion.

Music and culture achieves the same end without reinforcing the social stratification but the islanders had no way of knowing this we do.

Also there is a Theological explanation for revolution from the top down, Prophet King David brought it to light - The higher you climb hierarchy wise the further to fall eternity wise.

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Jan 13, 2020 17:47:12   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Sorry to have to disagee...
What's not in the Volcanic Co2 study is volcanoes have increased from the dozen major explosions per year world wide and since the 90's , we now see that number in just 7 days with over 1500 explosions+/- per year happening now. This number dosen't include undersea eruptions that also have increased.
We have had three massive eruptions in the last 18 months exceeding 64,000 feet, a record in our lifetime.
Having studied earthquakes and volcanoes over the last 40+ years I can say with certainty that the "man made g****l w*****g extremist " including the USGS are hiding information.
Not using Google, Yahoo and instead using Dogpile and DuckduckGo there is factual evidence and research that uses current Volcanic activity rather than vomiting out decades old studies that have false data.

Jack
Sorry to have to disagee... br What's not in the ... (show quote)


Can you tell us about the d**g cause by the movement of the Australian continental tectonic plate and the land mass it supports which I've read the two are moving at variable speeds to each other?.

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Jan 13, 2020 18:24:19   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
RT friend wrote:
Can you tell us about the d**g cause by the movement of the Australian continental tectonic plate and the land mass it supports which I've read the two are moving at variable speeds to each other?.


"It's CO2 if you fill a green.house with over 400 ppm. of CO2 the empirical evidence is complete it gets hotter because carbon traps heat."

Didn't you ever take a science course in school? A third-grade student could answer this better than you did.

It's not the amount of CO2 in the greenhouse. What warms a greenhouse is the same thing that warms the interior of a car on a sunny day. Shorter-wavelength infrared light enters the structure through the glass, and after these invisible but warm rays bounce around, they become longer-wavelength electromagnetic energy and tend to stay inside, getting absorbed by their surroundings.

Now don't go all spastic on me because, yes, CO2 is a greenhouse gas. So is water vapor, nitrous oxide, and methane. But particularly HFCs from refrigerants such as R-13 are contributing significantly to the greenhouse effect.

I don't have enough time in each day to keep setting the record straight and correcting all the errors perpetrated by people on OPP who have a little bit of knowledge, thus making them dangerous. Cut it out!
There is just too much to respond to.

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Jan 13, 2020 18:33:28   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
RT friend wrote:
Can you tell us about the d**g cause by the movement of the Australian continental tectonic plate and the land mass it supports which I've read the two are moving at variable speeds to each other?.



What I do know...
Australia's plate is moving more rapidly than other global plates.

Just for fun look on "Google Earth " at North and South America....then turn it on it's side.
At this side view you will observe the areas joining the continents looks much like melting wax.
Another obvious observation is the past edges of the continents "ancient edges" . It's not difficult to debunk all continents were once joined.
Studying earthquakes and volcanoes one can observe why we have earthquakes and volcanoes. Both earthquakes and volcanoes seek out weak or thin points in the earth's crust, molten lava punches through these weak points just as earthquakes strike at weak points.
With Australia moving we can observe the weak point's and also observe the "Australian Craton's" were neither earthquakes nor volcanic deformations are found.
There is far more details I I could post if time allowed.

Another point....the ozone layer and sun flares are directly related.
The fear mongering that we depleted the ozone layer.
Observations prove that it waxes with large holes and can rapidly replenish or fill these holes.

Jack

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Jan 13, 2020 20:54:49   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Won't this cause more G****l W*****g? Better call the enviro-f*****ts so they can put a stop to this activity.

How much of our higher taxes will it take to prevent similar occurrences?



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Jan 13, 2020 20:58:35   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
What I do know...
Australia's plate is moving more rapidly than other global plates.

Just for fun look on "Google Earth " at North and South America....then turn it on it's side.
At this side view you will observe the areas joining the continents looks much like melting wax.
Another obvious observation is the past edges of the continents "ancient edges" . It's not difficult to debunk all continents were once joined.
Studying earthquakes and volcanoes one can observe why we have earthquakes and volcanoes. Both earthquakes and volcanoes seek out weak or thin points in the earth's crust, molten lava punches through these weak points just as earthquakes strike at weak points.
With Australia moving we can observe the weak point's and also observe the "Australian Craton's" were neither earthquakes nor volcanic deformations are found.
There is far more details I I could post if time allowed.

Another point....the ozone layer and sun flares are directly related.
The fear mongering that we depleted the ozone layer.
Observations prove that it waxes with large holes and can rapidly replenish or fill these holes.

Jack
What I do know... br Australia's plate is moving m... (show quote)


Thanks for the report and your observations been wondering where our earthquake guy was. Have seen your post but no earthquake reports is all well in your neck of the woods

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Jan 13, 2020 21:10:45   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
What I do know...
Australia's plate is moving more rapidly than other global plates.

Just for fun look on "Google Earth " at North and South America....then turn it on it's side.
At this side view you will observe the areas joining the continents looks much like melting wax.
Another obvious observation is the past edges of the continents "ancient edges" . It's not difficult to debunk all continents were once joined.
Studying earthquakes and volcanoes one can observe why we have earthquakes and volcanoes. Both earthquakes and volcanoes seek out weak or thin points in the earth's crust, molten lava punches through these weak points just as earthquakes strike at weak points.
With Australia moving we can observe the weak point's and also observe the "Australian Craton's" were neither earthquakes nor volcanic deformations are found.
There is far more details I I could post if time allowed.

Another point....the ozone layer and sun flares are directly related.
The fear mongering that we depleted the ozone layer.
Observations prove that it waxes with large holes and can rapidly replenish or fill these holes.

Jack
What I do know... br Australia's plate is moving m... (show quote)



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Jan 14, 2020 06:10:33   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
What I do know...
Australia's plate is moving more rapidly than other global plates.

Just for fun look on "Google Earth " at North and South America....then turn it on it's side.
At this side view you will observe the areas joining the continents looks much like melting wax.
Another obvious observation is the past edges of the continents "ancient edges" . It's not difficult to debunk all continents were once joined.
Studying earthquakes and volcanoes one can observe why we have earthquakes and volcanoes. Both earthquakes and volcanoes seek out weak or thin points in the earth's crust, molten lava punches through these weak points just as earthquakes strike at weak points.
With Australia moving we can observe the weak point's and also observe the "Australian Craton's" were neither earthquakes nor volcanic deformations are found.
There is far more details I I could post if time allowed.

Another point....the ozone layer and sun flares are directly related.
The fear mongering that we depleted the ozone layer.
Observations prove that it waxes with large holes and can rapidly replenish or fill these holes.

Jack
What I do know... br Australia's plate is moving m... (show quote)


Agree about this ozone, my science teacher said in 1978 when I was a mature age student, it would be wonderful if the carbon build up in the atmosphere could be solved as easily as fixing the ozone layer, which is now OK.

I think the super continent called Pangea was once in existence and Antarctica was not a polar land mass so it went South and Australia went North maybe this seperation was more traumatic than most other connections being broken.

It's hard to arrive at an overall assessment and give it a destination derived from Scripture based philosophy but the atom was said to be inexhaustible from that perspective so I won't give up trying, and melting wax could be close enough as the birds are gone by by the bees only visible by what they produced the end of a dimension.

Algol - "Continental Drift" - gives a good time line starting 3300 million year's ago showing cooling of the earth's crust was patchy, with another interesting thing, - the break up of the supercontinent was close to the carboniferous era - hummm.


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Jan 14, 2020 06:30:36   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
dtucker300 wrote:
"It's CO2 if you fill a green.house with over 400 ppm. of CO2 the empirical evidence is complete it gets hotter because carbon traps heat."

Didn't you ever take a science course in school? A third-grade student could answer this better than you did.

It's not the amount of CO2 in the greenhouse. What warms a greenhouse is the same thing that warms the interior of a car on a sunny day. Shorter-wavelength infrared light enters the structure through the glass, and after these invisible but warm rays bounce around, they become longer-wavelength electromagnetic energy and tend to stay inside, getting absorbed by their surroundings.

Now don't go all spastic on me because, yes, CO2 is a greenhouse gas. So is water vapor, nitrous oxide, and methane. But particularly HFCs from refrigerants such as R-13 are contributing significantly to the greenhouse effect.

I don't have enough time in each day to keep setting the record straight and correcting all the errors perpetrated by people on OPP who have a little bit of knowledge, thus making them dangerous. Cut it out!
There is just too much to respond to.
"It's CO2 if you fill a green.house with over... (show quote)


Nitrous oxide I agree is a voluminous issuance causing warming, but if it gets too much in concentration heads start rolling, this is beside the point who cares as long as my head is firmly in place, and there are no reds under the bed where I keep my money, woops now I have to find a new hiding place..


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Jan 14, 2020 09:46:56   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
bggamers wrote:
Thanks for the report and your observations been wondering where our earthquake guy was. Have seen your post but no earthquake reports is all well in your neck of the woods



Alls good,
We picked up two Norwegian Fjords Fjords horse's. The colt is now 8 months old and a yearling filly. Unprepared, needed to clear land for coral and build stall before winter set in here in far Northern Idaho. This on top of clearing land (tree removal, excavator and backhoe work) for our home and shop to be put in(finally...in a few more weeks).

I keep an eye out in the event a larger magnitude earthquake was moving into the states to put out the warning.
I had to put off finishing my pre warning website and hope to finish it sometime in spring.
I'm concerned about California Volcanic activity combined with earthquakes in our very near future. The website will have satellite Volcanic hot spot alerts and if your curious you can follow
http://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=b8f4033069f141729ffb298b7418b653

And

http://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/content/imagery-and-data

In 2018 and 2019 the California government hid causes of several fires caused by "Volcanic hot spots " that can be seen on "fire hot spot Satellites " before any fires begin.
A hot spot is when molten lava pushes very near the surface of the crust but does not push through. Hot spots often cover up to several hundred square miles and force our hot air exceeding a thousand degrees.
I have been watching areas pop up all over the state of California and this suggests that something large enough will cause multiple statewide Volcanic eruptions, Volcanic fields to have molten activity and create multiple volcanic deformations. The number of volcanoes in California is staggering.
I appreciate your wondering where I have been and look forward to forecasting earthquakes again....soon.

Jack

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Jan 14, 2020 09:59:01   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
RT friend wrote:
Agree about this ozone, my science teacher said in 1978 when I was a mature age student, it would be wonderful if the carbon build up in the atmosphere could be solved as easily as fixing the ozone layer, which is now OK.

I think the super continent called Pangea was once in existence and Antarctica was not a polar land mass so it went South and Australia went North maybe this seperation was more traumatic than most other connections being broken.

It's hard to arrive at an overall assessment and give it a destination derived from Scripture based philosophy but the atom was said to be inexhaustible from that perspective so I won't give up trying, and melting wax could be close enough as the birds are gone by by the bees only visible by what they produced the end of a dimension.

Algol - "Continental Drift" - gives a good time line starting 3300 million year's ago showing cooling of the earth's crust was patchy, with another interesting thing, - the break up of the supercontinent was close to the carboniferous era - hummm.

Agree about this ozone, my science teacher said in... (show quote)



Pangaea is easily debunked, just as the Grand Canyon being formed over millions of years.
Most of what we have been misled to have happened over millions of years happened quickly and violently. Quickly and violently happening several times in earths history.
Looking at Google earth (taking ones time and really examining it) we can observe the exact drift of the continents, cracks in the earth (equally spaced, east to west in the ocean) Volcanic fields, volcanic deformations and volcanoes (tens of thousands of them).
Misled that the earths core is solid
Misled that faults cause earthquakes
And much more.
Look on my 2018 earthquake forecasting post that I go into more detail, facts and evidence.

Jack

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Jan 14, 2020 11:24:36   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Alls good,
We picked up two Norwegian Fjords Fjords horse's. The colt is now 8 months old and a yearling filly. Unprepared, needed to clear land for coral and build stall before winter set in here in far Northern Idaho. This on top of clearing land (tree removal, excavator and backhoe work) for our home and shop to be put in(finally...in a few more weeks).

I keep an eye out in the event a larger magnitude earthquake was moving into the states to put out the warning.
I had to put off finishing my pre warning website and hope to finish it sometime in spring.
I'm concerned about California Volcanic activity combined with earthquakes in our very near future. The website will have satellite Volcanic hot spot alerts and if your curious you can follow
http://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=b8f4033069f141729ffb298b7418b653

And

http://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/content/imagery-and-data

In 2018 and 2019 the California government hid causes of several fires caused by "Volcanic hot spots " that can be seen on "fire hot spot Satellites " before any fires begin.
A hot spot is when molten lava pushes very near the surface of the crust but does not push through. Hot spots often cover up to several hundred square miles and force our hot air exceeding a thousand degrees.
I have been watching areas pop up all over the state of California and this suggests that something large enough will cause multiple statewide Volcanic eruptions, Volcanic fields to have molten activity and create multiple volcanic deformations. The number of volcanoes in California is staggering.
I appreciate your wondering where I have been and look forward to forecasting earthquakes again....soon.

Jack
Alls good, br We picked up two Norwegian Fjords Fj... (show quote)


Well had wanted to let u know we missed the quake guy while your out and about take care of yourself and give your newest family members a carrot for me

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Jan 14, 2020 11:53:50   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
dtucker300 wrote:
"It's CO2 if you fill a green.house with over 400 ppm. of CO2 the empirical evidence is complete it gets hotter because carbon traps heat."

Didn't you ever take a science course in school? A third-grade student could answer this better than you did.

It's not the amount of CO2 in the greenhouse. What warms a greenhouse is the same thing that warms the interior of a car on a sunny day. Shorter-wavelength infrared light enters the structure through the glass, and after these invisible but warm rays bounce around, they become longer-wavelength electromagnetic energy and tend to stay inside, getting absorbed by their surroundings.

Now don't go all spastic on me because, yes, CO2 is a greenhouse gas. So is water vapor, nitrous oxide, and methane. But particularly HFCs from refrigerants such as R-13 are contributing significantly to the greenhouse effect.

I don't have enough time in each day to keep setting the record straight and correcting all the errors perpetrated by people on OPP who have a little bit of knowledge, thus making them dangerous. Cut it out!
There is just too much to respond to.
"It's CO2 if you fill a green.house with over... (show quote)



I believe you justly stated in part, a problem.
With our last three plus decades of increased information access, we now have access to a Gazillion bits of bad data/false information or we absorb the highlights without full in depth understanding.
An example would be Doctors frustration in our current times as "Educated " by the online medical arena, patients arrive at their appointments with "self diagnosis " and argues adamantly a need for testing or medication remiss of a deeper understanding at the cellular level, neurological level, biological sciences with only a smaller percentage alerting the Doctor to a legitimate medical condition. They believe in all their "Highlighted " reading an understanding lacking in depth understanding and Doctors are nearly driven to madness in their attempts to explain why their patients medical recommendations are in error within the short allotted scheduled appointment.
In the case of what I believe to be much bad science and or agenda related topics populated within our search engines and have been engineered to post only information that leads to false conclusions based on key words entered in the search engine.
Another source of our false information can be found in our k-12 and Halls of higher learning.
It becomes frustrating when much of our population consumes bad data, false information or orchestrated deception, then closes their mind to actual facts and empirical evidence holding on tight to their beliefs as if questioning would cause them to self ignite into a pile of ashes.
"Man made" g****l w*****g, Pangaea, Earthquakes, age of earth, earths core, the T***h about Trump, T***h about the Democrat party, evolution to name a few topics that are front and center in my arena and the number of ignorant experts are mind boggling.

Jack

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