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Dec 20, 2019 07:53:38   #
rjoeholl
 
….is one or all of the liberals, progressives and/or democrats who post here to tell me
1) What is so wrong with this country that you want to fundamentally change?
2) What, exactly, did President Trump do to get impeached?
3) Why you do not like living in the greatest Republic this world has ever seen.
4) Why do you like career politicians so much?
5) Why do you want to divide our country in half to the point that it is unrepairable?

Please, I'm asking in all sincerity for you to explain your wishes for our beautiful United States. Let's start pulling together before it's too late.

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Dec 20, 2019 08:14:37   #
Hug
 
rjoeholl wrote:
….is one or all of the liberals, progressives and/or democrats who post here to tell me
1) What is so wrong with this country that you want to fundamentally change?
2) What, exactly, did President Trump do to get impeached?
3) Why you do not like living in the greatest Republic this world has ever seen.
4) Why do you like career politicians so much?
5) Why do you want to divide our country in half to the point that it is unrepairable?

Please, I'm asking in all sincerity for you to explain your wishes for our beautiful United States. Let's start pulling together before it's too late.
….is one or all of the liberals, progressives and/... (show quote)


rjoeholl, don't get your hopes up. You know they do not have answers to those questions. They are socialist and they believe in Santa Clause as all socialist do.

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Dec 20, 2019 08:23:03   #
Liberty Tree
 
Hug wrote:
rjoeholl, don't get your hopes up. You know they do not have answers to those questions. They are socialist and they believe in Santa Clause as all socialist do.


They want to be Santa Clause using everyone else's money to buy v**es and power.

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Dec 20, 2019 08:26:17   #
Hug
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
They want to be Santa Clause using everyone else's money to buy v**es and power.


Yes, and it doesn't take long for Santa to run out of presents.

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Dec 20, 2019 09:00:20   #
Liberty Tree
 
Hug wrote:
Yes, and it doesn't take long for Santa to run out of presents.


Socialism lasts until one runs out of other people's money.

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Dec 20, 2019 09:01:28   #
peg w
 
The polazaration of the US is so bad thst we msy loose our democracy. Trump asked a foreign leader to interfere with our e******n. This is against the law. He then went to Rudi to arrange it.This was against the law. Rudi, as his personal lawyer can not do stste department business Trump also asked other countries, like Italy and Australia to help out, too. This is agsinst the law.I don't know why this wasn't brought up, I heard ab little about it in Oct. Trump then ordered everybody to not testify. Ambassador Soland was the exception. This was why he was impeached for obstruction of Congress

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Dec 20, 2019 09:44:03   #
P Lightfoot Loc: DEPLOYED ON STATION
 
Defending yourself is not obstruction of congress and there is no such law Maggot besides Sondland said no quid pro qwo
TRUMP 2020 dems are done

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Dec 20, 2019 09:55:37   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
If only you had a brain.
peg w wrote:
The polazaration of the US is so bad thst we msy loose our democracy. Trump asked a foreign leader to interfere with our e******n. This is against the law. He then went to Rudi to arrange it.This was against the law. Rudi, as his personal lawyer can not do stste department business Trump also asked other countries, like Italy and Australia to help out, too. This is agsinst the law.I don't know why this wasn't brought up, I heard ab little about it in Oct. Trump then ordered everybody to not testify. Ambassador Soland was the exception. This was why he was impeached for obstruction of Congress
The polazaration of the US is so bad thst we msy l... (show quote)

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Dec 20, 2019 10:24:20   #
Liberty Tree
 
peg w wrote:
The polazaration of the US is so bad thst we msy loose our democracy. Trump asked a foreign leader to interfere with our e******n. This is against the law. He then went to Rudi to arrange it.This was against the law. Rudi, as his personal lawyer can not do stste department business Trump also asked other countries, like Italy and Australia to help out, too. This is agsinst the law.I don't know why this wasn't brought up, I heard ab little about it in Oct. Trump then ordered everybody to not testify. Ambassador Soland was the exception. This was why he was impeached for obstruction of Congress
The polazaration of the US is so bad thst we msy l... (show quote)


We have heard all these DNC talking points before. Get something new.

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Dec 20, 2019 10:48:26   #
Carol Kelly
 
rjoeholl wrote:
….is one or all of the liberals, progressives and/or democrats who post here to tell me
1) What is so wrong with this country that you want to fundamentally change?
2) What, exactly, did President Trump do to get impeached?
3) Why you do not like living in the greatest Republic this world has ever seen.
4) Why do you like career politicians so much?
5) Why do you want to divide our country in half to the point that it is unrepairable?

Please, I'm asking in all sincerity for you to explain your wishes for our beautiful United States. Let's start pulling together before it's too late.
….is one or all of the liberals, progressives and/... (show quote)


I have never agreed more. I’d like to know what they hope to gain. Nobody will own anything including the liberals. Remember Obama...you don’t own this, you didn’t build that?

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Dec 20, 2019 10:59:21   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Love all your questions. However; all have been asked at one time or another and we never get much of an answer.
rjoeholl wrote:
….is one or all of the liberals, progressives and/or democrats who post here to tell me
1) What is so wrong with this country that you want to fundamentally change?
2) What, exactly, did President Trump do to get impeached?
3) Why you do not like living in the greatest Republic this world has ever seen.
4) Why do you like career politicians so much?
5) Why do you want to divide our country in half to the point that it is unrepairable?

Please, I'm asking in all sincerity for you to explain your wishes for our beautiful United States. Let's start pulling together before it's too late.
….is one or all of the liberals, progressives and/... (show quote)

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Dec 20, 2019 12:10:54   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
rjoeholl wrote:
….is one or all of the liberals, progressives and/or democrats who post here to tell me
1) What is so wrong with this country that you want to fundamentally change?
2) What, exactly, did President Trump do to get impeached?
3) Why you do not like living in the greatest Republic this world has ever seen.
4) Why do you like career politicians so much?
5) Why do you want to divide our country in half to the point that it is unrepairable?

Please, I'm asking in all sincerity for you to explain your wishes for our beautiful United States. Let's start pulling together before it's too late.
….is one or all of the liberals, progressives and/... (show quote)



Joe, these are simply questions that have been gone over time and again.. and very obvious answers..

1.. fundamentally Change.. As President Obama explained to Rush Limbaugh, who agreed with him, our country was intended to have equal rights and equal opportunity.. we have seldom if ever had this in reality.. Democrats want these very things for all Americans. not only those born to wealth or given great education..

2.. trump has done so many things that should have led to Impeachment. the charges chosen were due to solicitation personal e******n aid from a foreign nation,, Ukraine. the obstruction of congress was open and public, refusing to allow witness and documents to appear in front of congress.. do overcome the blocking by the trump, would have required months maybe years in courts to get them access..
Both very obvious and do indeed meet the requirements for impeachment..

3.. I love living in my country, have served in defending it and lived as a capitalist.. have not interest in leaving and I see no group of people packing up and moving away. Maybe the phony military in Montana and other places would like to leave. If so , let them.. I see it as a patriotic duty to pay tax, v**e as I chose and keep contact with my pol to let my wishes be known..

4.. While many v**ers do not like or admire most Pols, they are subject to our v**es.. this is a way, at least in design, that v**ers keep a degree of control on our government.
Why would anyone put trust in a corporation, which only desire is to increase their bottom line. at any cost. With no regard or interest in the welfare or living standard of the middle/working class..

5.. While division has long been a small part of the political world in the United States, the h**e driven division started when a black man became president and proved to be a darn good one.. the unending h**e started before he took office and extends to this day.. no other president has been subject to the obstruction, insults and outright h**e as Obama..
It seems trump and the republicans just do not think that such behavior would ever be returned to them..
But that was less than foolish and the return of similar tactics has caused the near collapse of the GOP..

For quite some time I felt as you say, that we should and could come to terms and work to a common goal.
but I have never seen an attempt or a solution expressed for anything from the the far right which now controls the GOP.. Back when President Obama had full power, he still felt he could find compramise with the other party.. but even when he proposed a bill which the republicans had proposed in the past, they refused to consider it because he now proposed the same..

The conservative right wing will never compromise of offer any solutions..



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Dec 20, 2019 12:34:43   #
woodguru
 
P Lightfoot wrote:
Defending yourself is not obstruction of congress and there is no such law Maggot besides Sondland said no quid pro qwo
TRUMP 2020 dems are done

Get a grip, obstructing an investigation, getting to the t***h is not defending yourself, as a public servant t***sparency is the rule, what you do is supposed to be constantly documented and a matter of public record, heavy on the public. Ever hear of things like the government records act, and that it is a crime to erase or not keep public records and access to them? This is so that the public and oversight entities can see what they are doing at will. I've never heard of a defense team in a trial using the obstruction of justice as a defense, it results in prison.

Are you so simple that your intellect stops with "besides, Sondland said no quid pro quo"? I heard Sondland say there was definitely no quid pro quo, and the rhetorical defense you are quoting was a meaningless statement Sondland made about what trump told him in response to concerned people registering objections to what trump was doing...which means less than nothing as an expected and meaningless trumpism.

Congress has the right to investigate and subpoena information, and the president has no right to withhold it, especially in a way that is being done with no attempt at justifying an executive privilege which by the way does not hold up under impeachment investigations of high crimes.

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Dec 20, 2019 12:43:14   #
woodguru
 
permafrost wrote:

5.... It seems trump and the republicans just do not think that such behavior would ever be returned to them..
But that was less than foolish and the return of similar tactics has caused the near collapse of the GOP..

Interesting point, talking to hard right wingers I have come to the conclusion that they do not think they are r****ts, it's not how they see themselves, they h**e everything and everyone that is different than them. To them they are normal...

What they don't realize is how much general society is done with and fed up with hatred and bigotry. It ramped up under Obama, trump has made it okay to talk total crap about minorities.

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Dec 20, 2019 12:46:54   #
woodguru
 
permafrost wrote:

The conservative right wing will never compromise of offer any solutions..

It is the party of obstruction, we now have a house that has passed more bills than any congress in the last decade, many of them solidly bipartisan, and the senate has maintained a total blockade on allowing any of them to pass.

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