Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

We, the people, should demand a new constitutional amendment: Congress cannot impeach a president, etc, unless they are convicted of a crime! This was understood but it is obvious that the faction is out of control. It should also state that the congressional investigation must follow the Federal Rules on evidence and that the accused be given constitutional rights during the investigations.

PeterS

A faction? It was the majority of the Democratic party. And Trump asked to be impeached. Don't point your finger at Democrats because they are the only ones willing to stand up for the constitution...

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

No I am pointing my finger at the injustice that was done Pete. For as long as I have known you on the OPP, you and I both like a good fight in politics......only if it were fair.

An accusation does not mean that the accused is guilty. Remember that. For what if I accused you with no evidence and you were president and I was in Congress? Well guess what, then I could impeach you now, based upon the precedent set by Nancy Pelosi and her faction. There was no evidence of Donald Trump being guilty of a crime, rather there was a lot of gossip, hearsay and innuendo, which in the best case scenario in a court of law, under a suspicion of circumstantial evidence, is not admissible.

So the gossip two ladies spread over a picket fence is no evidence at all. But there is a bigger problem. The Democrats are not just a small two bit party, they are huge. And they are acting unfairly in a massive mob. If we are to believe that no one's above the law(yeah right), then why hasn't Joe Biden been arrested for bribery?

Now I've heard it said many times, "Oh that conspiracy theory has been debunked." Yeah, well so has the Trump Collusion narrative yet people are still spouting that. The difference here is that the Trump Russian Collusion was investigated and the investigator found no crime was committed. However the Biden issue has not been investigated. So why not investigate? We already know that Obama's FBI was caught spying on an opposition party, ie the Trump campaign. We already know that the leadership of the FBI was dishonest to say the least. So how can we trust "Oh that conspiracy theory has been debunked" by the very people who broke the law themselves?

And this is just the beginning. If Justice is to fair, then Donald Trump is innocent and everyone knows this. But there are too many people of Democratic influence trying to tip the scales of justice against Trump. And would you believe this, NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE OF THE DEMOCRATS H**E DONALD TRUMP. I don't understand. Before he was elected they were going to impeach him. Where in the world did that hatred come from?

Sounds just like the Jews of Jerusalem did to Jesus. At the beginning of the week they were welcoming him as a king coming home, by the end of the week they're k*****g him. Yep sounds the same.

Cuda2020

What an intellect, Shall I play all of the bozo actions from Trump acting like a lunatic...and he's our president!...geeeez, God save America

Cuda2020

No one h**es Trump, that's pure propaganda, because of the things he "says" and "does" we feel he is not "fit " for office especially for his position. He is working with our enemies helping them divide this country from within. Plain and simple and no more.

The big question is, now going forward with the "Actual" trial do you really think we're going to get one after seeing what we did last night, last night was only a v**e for an impeachment trial, for everything to come to the open, and the senate fought with tooth and nail NOT to have a trial, ever wonder why?

Radiance3

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The radical democrats are the violators of the constitution. Even before the president took office, before he had sworn his oath, the radical democrats had already prepared schemes to remove him from office. No crime to justify, but their hatred of candidate Donald J Trump, and their desires to make Hillary win by hook or by crook.

As time went by, powerful tools run by the Obama administration called the Deep State was used to remove the president using the powerful federal departments and agencies, and the officials in charge running the schemes.

Those were bundled in so many sections of destruction. Some of that were the Dossier and FISA warrant illegally obtained thru the F**E AND FABRICATED DOSSIER paid for by Hillary Clinton and her DM party.

These activities are now under investigations by the DOJ, and Durham hoping to release the criminals involved and all their evil participation of these evil events.

Stay tuned. The t***h will set us free. For there is nothing hidden that could not be revealed.

https://biblehub.com/luke/8-17.htm

PeterS

If fairness was your concern why didn't you ask Barr to appoint a special counsel? Nixon had a special counsel. Clinton had a special counsel. Barr REFUSED to appoint one leaving it to the House to investigate Ukraine.

If you don't like the way that investigation turned out, point your finger were it should be--at your own party which refused to do anything--the very definition of a DO NOTHING PARTY.

And the thing is, if you had Barr doing the investigation he could have swept the whole thing under the rug--Trump could have run around claiming that he's been exonerated--and this whole thing would be behind us. YOU (conservatives) screwed up and I am so fricking tired of you guys blaming Democrats for mistakes that are entirely YOURS!

Look at your own party and STOP blaming us!

PeterS

You are FULL of it. If Democrats were as scheming as you claim why isn't Hillary President? Why don't we have the majority throughout all state government?

And these claims were under investigation by Horowitz, who held the second FAILURE of an investigation of YOUR claims. You are chasing conspiracy theories, theories made up by the right so they can pull you cons around by the nose. That's the t***h, t***h that all cons deny because they refused to admit that you've been had...

Radiance3

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Horowitz identified all the failures of the FISA warrant and the illegal surveillance on Candidate Trump and his support staff, and until he was elected.

The most devastating ones are coming soon. Investigator Durham have them all. The t***h will come out. Please don't h**e me. I am just stating facts. Merry Christmas!

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

Thank you! I never heard that either. It isn't below thedemocraps to make something like it up though.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

You really don't know why they h**e Trump? Okay a tiny history lesson. The democraps are joined at the hip to g*******ts, all pray to George Soros. Donald Trump was an outsider who is overturning their apple carts. He got rid of some of the major players (Comey, Baker, Brennan, Clapper Strzok, PageRice and others) like a hydra more took their place though. They h**e him for that and defeating the Whitewater witch although we the people really did that. No borders? I've fought much too long and hard to give my country away.

One thing in the beginning piece that was glaring to me was "a civil society." We used to have one but as of the 80s it was no more.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

BS who is withholding the articles of impeachment?

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Okay Pete, I am going to write my response, not as a conservative, not as a republican, but as an American Citizen who likes a good Sherlock Holmes novel. I may be a conservative, but I believe in St Augustine's books "The City of God", and "Confessions". St. Augustine lays out arguments that support the principle, "Any unjust law is no law at all". In addition to St. Augustine, I believe in St. Thomas Aquinas. In addition to the writings of Augustine, and Aquinas, I also believe in the writings of St. Jerome, and the Federalist Papers as well as Locke's writings. To establish a scientific process on this case, you also must include Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle. So, I am approaching this case, like I did with all other cases before, in a fair even minded way. Using the principles of long standing rules of justice. These rules were not created yesterday, they have been the same, for centuries. The Magna Carta established the building blocks that Jefferson, Madison, and Hamilton used to form the Constitution that we now live by. So I am approaching this as a sleuth, an amature dectective. So without further ado, I shall now respond to your comment.

You stated, "If you had Barr doing the investigation....". Well that's elementary my dear Watson. After the Mueller investigation ended, there were a lot of questions, that was answered. In addition to the questions that remained unanswered, William Barr declared, well within his power, that the president was innocent of all accusations against him. The first question that should be asked is not. The Mueller Report and subsequent FBI investigations did answer the question: "Did Trump collude with Russia?", etc., but the question that remains unanswered is "What happened in the 2016 e******n?" Also, there are other questions, like: "If Trump is innocent proven by two Congressional Investigations, two FBI investigations, and the Mueller Report, then who are the other suspects in this case, and how did they contribute to the foreign interference in the E******n?" Also, the Mueller Report establishes that Russia interfered, what other countries interfered, or is Russia the only country in the world who would attempt to interfere in our e******n? The later is hard to believe, that is Russia was the only other country to interfere. As I stated before, Obama exonerated himself of all wrongdoing in this matter when he certified the e******n that made Donald Trump president. Therefore, three men conducted investigations or are conducting investigations to attempt to answer these questions.

1. William Barr, Attorney General of the United States, promised Congress, in both the Senate and the House, that he will be investigating the "Investigators" and what happened in the 2016 e******n. This includes Russia, and any other country that interfered. This let to the July 25, 2019 phone call with Ukranian president. As a result a review was ordered by the Attorney General. Michael Horowitz was appointed to this task. Horowitz is the Inspector General of the Justice Department. His report was released and found 17 infractions in the investigative process. Partisans on both sides of the aisle are spinning the Horowitz report to suit their narrative. However, in the end, it was found that the FBI, in the upper level or the administration of the FBI, not only did not do their job, but formed a basis that was found through deed not word. In fact they deny bias but their deed speaks louder than their word.

2. U.S. John Durham was appointed with criminal referral and grand jury power, in his investigation into the case. His report is expected to come out in January.

3. This person is probably the most controversial Lawyer that has a reason to investigate the case. That is Mayor Rudy Giuliani. He has been attacked by the Media more so then Durham or Barr. The president's call to Ukraine introduced Attorney General Bill Barr, US Attorney John Durham, and the president's defense attorney Rudy Giuliani to the new Ukrainian president.

Through Adam Schiff's investigation into Ukraine and the Ukrainian July 25 phone call, we, the American people found that there was bias in the State Department against Donald Trump. This bias was developed though rumor and innuendo, but one thing that was clear, they did not like what president Trump was doing. This is a policy issue, not a criminal issue. Remember the Constitution clearly states "Treason, Bribery, and other High Crimes and Misdemeanors", each of these must be fully investigated by the House of Representatives. This was not done.

Let me repeat, based on the principles of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Jerome, the founding fathers, and the Constitution itself, the House of Representatives have not fully investigated the issue of Donald Trump's Impeachment. If you do not believe me, look at the writings of the philosophers I mentioned, the Doctors of the Catholic Church, and look at the founding fathers writings. You will see a clear bias. You will see that the accused rights were trampled over. What is the reason? This answer is unknown. They claim they afforded the president every opportunity to defend himself.

Nancy Pelosi is correct in the fact that the founding fathers feared that a tyrant would take the position of President of the United States. However they also feared that faction tyrants would take up position in the House of Representatives. Here is the major problem facing the United States today.

Who is the tyrant? Is it the democrat majority? Is it the president of the United States? and how did we get here. Democrats would call the president a tyrant. The president would call House Democrats Tyrants themselves. There is mounting evidence to prove that both are true.

Let me say that again: There is evidence that Trump is a tyrant. There is evidence that House Democrats are tyrants.

So as an American, how do you weed out this issue and establish which faction is a tyrant?

(...to be continued)

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Donald Trump was a beloved Celebrity Apprentice Host. The Left loved him. He stood up to Vince McMahon. The left loved him until he ran for president. I ask again, why do they h**e him so? This is not the typical political h**e that slings mud across the aisle, but rather a deep seated hatred. That is my question. Nixon h**ed Kennedy, yet nothing like what we are witnessing today happened. Why? Because in the past, you could h**e your opponents view point, but you liked your opponent. As was in the case of Kennedy and Nixon.

Oh, it could be much worse. Which founding father k**led another founding father? Alexander Hamilton was k**led by Aaron Burr. Later Aaron Burr would be charged in New York and New Jersey with Murder. He was Vice President therefore immune to prosecution. Later he would be charged with Treason and be acquitted based on a technicality. So don't think for one minute that Congress, the presidency, the Supreme Court, are immune to dirty and underhanded issues. There is evidence from Jackie Kennedy Onassis that her husband, John Kennedy was k**led by Lyndon Johnson.

What I demonstrated is that the hatred that American holds from politician to politician, to the people, to fellow colleagues and executive officers, is huge. But the hatred usually stems from something. Losing the P**********l E******n is not grounds for this type of hatred. It goes deeper. And until we get to the bottom of this hatred, we will never know why the Democrats refuse to unite with the rest of the Country. Sad to say.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

fyi and to be clear: The Democrat party is a faction of the American public. But not all Americans are Democrat. There are other factions and there are factions within those factions. For example, the Freedom Caucus, and the Tea Party are factions of the Republican party, which are a faction of the American public.

I use terms like faction in what they mean in the dictionary.