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Dec 18, 2019 14:40:46   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
How has Trump done that?

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Dec 18, 2019 14:44:10   #
Liberty Tree
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
How has Trump done that?


Democrats are desperate to paint as bad a picture as possible no matter what they have to make up.

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Dec 18, 2019 14:58:23   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Democrats are desperate to paint as bad a picture as possible no matter what they have to make up.


I know. I like to see if they can articulate some of their BS.

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Dec 18, 2019 15:04:52   #
steve66613
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Democrats are desperate to paint as bad a picture as possible no matter what they have to make up.


No matter how many times the Rats repeat false claims, and spew h**e and discontent, they simply dig themselves deeper into the pile of dung called the 116th Congress.

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Dec 18, 2019 15:12:20   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
How has Trump done that?


Giving classified info to Russians, repeating foreign Governments propaganda, just to name two out of dozens.

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Dec 18, 2019 15:15:16   #
woodguru
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
How has Trump done that?

Too many times to count...

the information he gave Kisliak for one, that was well documented and our intelligence reported that foreign intelligence services were going to start sharing highly sensitive intelligence because they couldn't rely on trump not sharing russian sensitive intel with Putin. Trump divulged highly sensitive information that put foreign undercover spies in real danger.

Reports have been coming out on different things trump has affected, we lost our deepest and closest Putin insider as a result of trump's willingness to share our intelligence with Putin.

More recently the national security interests involved with the impeachment are those of our national interest in providing military support to the Ukraine against russian interests. No matter what trump's opinion is in regards to our ally, and russia being an enemy of our ally, congress, the state department's foreign affairs intelligence, the pentagon, those all take a precedence over trump withholding aid without doing it through official channels. Had trump operated within channels he could have been set straight about US interests versus his interests.

Trump openly supporting russia over the Ukraine can easily be seen as treason if there ever is a hint that Putin told him not to provide military aid that would be used against russian invasions. As it is there is documentation that came out of the OMB that shows that Mulvaney said they were worried about how Putin would react to US military aid to be used against russian tanks.

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Dec 18, 2019 15:27:41   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Giving classified info to Russians, repeating foreign Governments propaganda, just to name two out of dozens.


Funny how that was never mentioned in the impeachment hearings?

When did he give classified information to Russia? Seems like that would have come up. Repeating foreign gov's propaganda? that wol dhave too, I think. Hmm.

Sounds like BS to me.

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Dec 18, 2019 15:31:06   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
Too many times to count...

the information he gave Kisliak for one, that was well documented and our intelligence reported that foreign intelligence services were going to start sharing highly sensitive intelligence because they couldn't rely on trump not sharing russian sensitive intel with Putin. Trump divulged highly sensitive information that put foreign undercover spies in real danger.

Reports have been coming out on different things trump has affected, we lost our deepest and closest Putin insider as a result of trump's willingness to share our intelligence with Putin.

More recently the national security interests involved with the impeachment are those of our national interest in providing military support to the Ukraine against russian interests. No matter what trump's opinion is in regards to our ally, and russia being an enemy of our ally, congress, the state department's foreign affairs intelligence, the pentagon, those all take a precedence over trump withholding aid without doing it through official channels. Had trump operated within channels he could have been set straight about US interests versus his interests.

Trump openly supporting russia over the Ukraine can easily be seen as treason if there ever is a hint that Putin told him not to provide military aid that would be used against russian invasions. As it is there is documentation that came out of the OMB that shows that Mulvaney said they were worried about how Putin would react to US military aid to be used against russian tanks.
Too many times to count... br br the information ... (show quote)


Did any of that come up in testimony from any witnesses against Trump in the impeachment inquiries??

Also, are you saying Trump, the commander in chief, can't over rule the Pentagon? So the Pentagon is in charge, not Trump? We are a military state????

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Dec 18, 2019 15:31:31   #
Kevyn
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
How has Trump done that?


Our national security interests include having Ukraine as part of a democratic Europe and Russia withdraw from Ukrainian land they attacked occupied and illegally annexed. Russia is a criminal dictatorship that has routinely murdered residents of our western European allies, supported a criminal regime in Syria and interfered in numerous western e******ns including our own. Ukraine is at war with Russia so withholding aid from Ukraine and parroting Russian propaganda that it was Ukraine rather than Russia who meddled in our e******ns undermines our national security. Trump is guilty of both.

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Dec 18, 2019 15:31:58   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
steve66613 wrote:
No matter how many times the Rats repeat false claims, and spew h**e and discontent, they simply dig themselves deeper into the pile of dung called the 116th Congress.


Take a look in the rest of this thread at their claims.

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Dec 18, 2019 15:37:06   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Kevyn wrote:
Our national security interests include having Ukraine as part of a democratic Europe and Russia withdraw from Ukrainian land they attacked occupied and illegally annexed. Russia is a criminal dictatorship that has routinely murdered residents of our western European allies, supported a criminal regime in Syria and interfered in numerous western e******ns including our own. Ukraine is at war with Russia so withholding aid from Ukraine and parroting Russian propaganda that it was Ukraine rather than Russia who meddled in our e******ns undermines our national security. Trump is guilty of both.
Our national security interests include having Ukr... (show quote)


This is what happens when you get all your news from MSLSD and CNN.

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Dec 18, 2019 15:38:15   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Kevyn wrote:
Our national security interests include having Ukraine as part of a democratic Europe and Russia withdraw from Ukrainian land they attacked occupied and illegally annexed. Russia is a criminal dictatorship that has routinely murdered residents of our western European allies, supported a criminal regime in Syria and interfered in numerous western e******ns including our own. Ukraine is at war with Russia so withholding aid from Ukraine and parroting Russian propaganda that it was Ukraine rather than Russia who meddled in our e******ns undermines our national security. Trump is guilty of both.
Our national security interests include having Ukr... (show quote)


There's a reason none of that came up in testimony to the impeachment inquiry.

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Dec 18, 2019 22:39:58   #
2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland
 
woodguru wrote:
Too many times to count...

the information he gave Kisliak for one, that was well documented and our intelligence reported that foreign intelligence services were going to start sharing highly sensitive intelligence because they couldn't rely on trump not sharing russian sensitive intel with Putin. Trump divulged highly sensitive information that put foreign undercover spies in real danger.

Reports have been coming out on different things trump has affected, we lost our deepest and closest Putin insider as a result of trump's willingness to share our intelligence with Putin.

More recently the national security interests involved with the impeachment are those of our national interest in providing military support to the Ukraine against russian interests. No matter what trump's opinion is in regards to our ally, and russia being an enemy of our ally, congress, the state department's foreign affairs intelligence, the pentagon, those all take a precedence over trump withholding aid without doing it through official channels. Had trump operated within channels he could have been set straight about US interests versus his interests.

Trump openly supporting russia over the Ukraine can easily be seen as treason if there ever is a hint that Putin told him not to provide military aid that would be used against russian invasions. As it is there is documentation that came out of the OMB that shows that Mulvaney said they were worried about how Putin would react to US military aid to be used against russian tanks.
Too many times to count... br br the information ... (show quote)


Is that the reason he allowed tons of Anti Russian Tank missiles to be given to Ukraine versus the anti Russian tank blankets and anti Russian tank MREs????? At least try and be somewhat honest when you post.

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Dec 19, 2019 06:10:06   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Kevyn wrote:
Our national security interests include having Ukraine as part of a democratic Europe and Russia withdraw from Ukrainian land they attacked occupied and illegally annexed. Russia is a criminal dictatorship that has routinely murdered residents of our western European allies, supported a criminal regime in Syria and interfered in numerous western e******ns including our own. Ukraine is at war with Russia so withholding aid from Ukraine and parroting Russian propaganda that it was Ukraine rather than Russia who meddled in our e******ns undermines our national security. Trump is guilty of both.
Our national security interests include having Ukr... (show quote)


No aid was withheld and nothing about national security came up and the only Russian propaganda I've heard has come out of you

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Dec 19, 2019 11:04:52   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
Hey Cons

Kevyn spelled it out for you quite simply. Can your synapses fire long enough to understand?

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