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Dec 12, 2019 11:20:43   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
slatten49 wrote:
By Aaron Blake

Lindsey Graham explains his pro-Trump conversion — and it’s not because he thinks Trump is great. How Graham went from being a critic to one of Trump's top Senate allies.

It’s time to stop asking what happened with Sen. Lindsey O. Graham’s complete 180 on President Trump, because Graham has now made it abundantly clear: political expediency.

But that, in and of itself, suggests his view of Trump remains about as dim as it was before.

This is a question that has stalked Graham for some time. How could he go from calling Trump a “kook” who is “unfit for office” in 2016 to the guy who, in 2017, infamously attacked others for labeling Trump a “kook not fit to be president?” And it is a fair question; Washington is not a place chock-full of principled stands and consistency, but even here the disconnect between 2016 Graham and 2017-19 Graham is remarkable.

Mark Leibovich got answers out of Graham in a new New York Times Magazine profile:

What did happen to Lindsey Graham? I raised the question directly to him the following afternoon in his Senate office in Washington. Graham was collapsed behind a cluttered desk, sipping a Coke Zero and complaining of exhaustion.

“Well, O.K., from my point of view, if you know anything about me, it’d be odd not to do this,” he said.
I asked what “this” was. “ ‘This,’ ” Graham said, “is to try to be relevant.” Politics, he explained, was the art of what works and what brings desired outcomes. “I’ve got an opportunity up here working with the president to get some really good outcomes for the country,” he told me.

Graham goes on to recount how his close friend and fellow sometimes-maverick in the Senate, the late senator John McCain (R-Ariz.), beat back a 2010 primary challenge by reinventing himself as “the most conservative member of the U.S. Senate.” Graham, who is up himself in 2020 and has faced his own primaries, added to Leibovich: “If you don’t want to get reelected, you’re in the wrong business.”

Graham has hinted at such a t***sparently political calculus before, but here he seems to lean into it even more. Leibovich writes Graham delivered that last quote while making clear he was “speaking to me as a fellow creature of Washington, fully versed in the e******n-year ‘showcasing’ he is now engaged in.”

One might say Graham admitting exactly what game he is playing is a refreshing bit of honesty. But the subtext is almost unmistakable: Graham is basically admitting his view of Trump has not changed appreciably. He is just doing this, after all, for his own political capital and re-e******n prospects.

And what’s more, it is telling that he feels the need to rationalize it. If he truly thought Trump was a great president and person, that would be a pretty simple answer to questions like Leibovich’s. I thought Trump was bad, but I was totally wrong, and now I support him. That would seem to be even better for his ree******n prospects, because it would suggest his pro-Trump evolution was more heartfelt. Yet that is not what Graham’s saying; he is basically saying he is trying to make lemonade out of lemons.

Having read the Leibovich profile, I kept thinking back to then-Sen. Arlen Specter — another moderate-ish GOP senator from Pennsylvania — explaining his switch in 2010 to the Democrats. “My change in party will enable me to be reelected,” Specter said. The quote was featured in an ad by his primary opponent, who defeated Specter for the Democratic nomination.

Specter’s admission was more ham-handed than Graham’s, but they are of the same ilk. Both men are copping to doing things they may not truly believe in because it increases their chances of self-preservation and, by extension, accomplishing things. But just as Specter was tacitly admitting his evolution was not really one of conviction, so, too, is Graham.

The fact that Graham feels the need to admit to anything is what’s most conspicuous. It is almost as if he does not totally want to associate himself with Trump.

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Good morning Stats. You tweaked my curiosity with the article. The first half might be considered journalism while the rest to me seemed more the author's personal opinion. Working for WAPO I immediately threw up my suspicions so I looked him up. I found out he claims to be a Republican. I read several columns he'd previously written and I found him to be (in my humble opinion 😢) a RINO!

If Obama could "evolve" to the degree of first being against same sex marriage and then being pro, I find that a bigger stretch than Graham changing his opinion on Trump.

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Dec 12, 2019 11:21:18   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
lpnmajor wrote:
A text book example of dementia was presented by Graham during his opening statements yesterday. The guy was all over the map; one breath agreeing that the Russia investigation was legitimate, the next calling it a witch hunt.


Uh, why don't you pull up those comments you base your comment upon?

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Dec 12, 2019 11:35:45   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
padremike wrote:
Good morning Stats. You tweaked my curiosity with the article. The first half might be considered journalism while the rest to me seemed more the author's personal opinion. Working for WAPO I immediately threw up my suspicions so I looked him up. I found out he claims to be a Republican. I read several columns he'd previously written and I found him to be (in my humble opinion 😢) a RINO!

If Obama could "evolve" to the degree of first being against same sex marriage and then being pro, I find that a bigger stretch than Graham changing his opinion on Trump.
Good morning Stats. You tweaked my curiosity with... (show quote)

That's a fair summation and opinion of the article, Mike.

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Dec 12, 2019 11:40:02   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Graham is more the pragmatist than political whore. He openly doesn't like Trump and, in fact, always refers to Trump as just "Trump," not President Trump. So what. I don't like him either but he's making every attempt to do the things he said he would do if elected; even in the face of bipartisan resistance in many cases.

Trump has exposed the true whore's of our government and not all are democrats either.

I also particularly liked Lindsey's opening statement yesterday, especially this part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idj-YweBAD8

Say what you will about Lindsey Graham, not my favorite either, but rest assured, you seem to be a supporter for much greater "whores" in government that he.
Graham is more the pragmatist than political whore... (show quote)

I wouldn't dispute some of what you write here, but please point out a direct example of my specific support for one you consider a political whore. Meanwhile I will continue believing that you simply enjoy being a contrarian.

That's quite alright, my friend, as I often enjoy playing The Devil's advocate.

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Dec 12, 2019 12:08:16   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
I wouldn't dispute some of what you write here, but please point out a direct example of my specific support for one you consider a political whore. Meanwhile I will continue believing that you simply enjoy being a contrarian.

That's quite alright, my friend, as I often enjoy playing The Devil's advocate.


Who did you v**e for?

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Dec 12, 2019 12:09:56   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
I wouldn't dispute some of what you write here, but please point out a direct example of my specific support for one you consider a political whore. Meanwhile I will continue believing that you simply enjoy being a contrarian.

That's quite alright, my friend, as I often enjoy playing The Devil's advocate.


Also, your many posts and comments have left it clear that you do not support or like Trump. With that said, one can easily conclude that you support his detractors, 99% of which are whores themselves.

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Dec 12, 2019 12:41:03   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
slatten49 wrote:
That's a fair summation and opinion of the article, Mike.


Can I make my closing remarks now your honor? Hmmmm! I think I've probably done it. You know how much I detest laboring over any subject. 😁 In T***h, these are interesting but fragile times. 😇

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Dec 12, 2019 12:58:05   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
I wouldn't dispute some of what you write here, but please point out a direct example of my specific support for one you consider a political whore. Meanwhile I will continue believing that you simply enjoy being a contrarian.

That's quite alright, my friend, as I often enjoy playing The Devil's advocate.


Speaking of devil's advocate, how do you see the "unbiased" nature of the democrat witnesses????

http://www.facebook.com/CSCMediaGroupUS/videos/1556761471157001/

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Dec 12, 2019 13:03:58   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
lpnmajor wrote:
A text book example of dementia was presented by Graham during his opening statements yesterday. The guy was all over the map; one breath agreeing that the Russia investigation was legitimate, the next calling it a witch hunt.


Both McStain n' Gramnesty were in on the Uniparty's Russian charade parade, Gramnesty is doin the CYA/cover yer ass shuffle

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Dec 12, 2019 13:35:03   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
I did not v**e for Trump but I do know he is all we have at this point.


Trump wasn't my pick but I sure v**ed for him none the less !

I'm not knocking you for not v****g for Trump , however In the two party system that we are in none of the lessor parties have a change of winning nor will they ever win !

All v**es going to any of the other parties will always benefit the Demo's !

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Dec 12, 2019 13:48:50   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Who did you v**e for?

You've been on this forum long enough to have already known the answer to your question. I have only mentioned it perhaps 2-3 dozen times. But again, FYI, I wrote in Jim Webb as my 2016 choice. I found both major party candidates unworthy of holding the office. I still maintain that with an even greater belief.

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Dec 12, 2019 13:58:51   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Speaking of devil's advocate, how do you see the "unbiased" nature of the democrat witnesses????

http://www.facebook.com/CSCMediaGroupUS/videos/1556761471157001/

I'd say the witnesses were/are reasonably close to the blatant bias of all members of the intelligence and judicial committee hearings. As it is with anything political these days/weeks/months/years, the ideological or partisan divide is easy to spot. Neither side should point fingers.

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Dec 12, 2019 14:05:53   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Also, your many posts and comments have left it clear that you do not support or like Trump. With that said, one can easily conclude that you support his detractors, 99% of which are whores themselves.

Agreed, in "that you (I) do not support or like Trump."

The last sentence of your brief post is simply careless, inaccurate, and/or lazy conjecture.

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Dec 12, 2019 14:18:30   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
You've been on this forum long enough to have already known the answer to your question. I have only mentioned it perhaps 2-3 dozen times. But again, FYI, I wrote in Jim Webb as my 2016 choice. I found both major party candidates unworthy of holding the office. I still maintain that with an even greater belief.


While doing a write in v**e for a ghost candidate might make one feel all warm inside that they have stayed true to their beliefs, it does nothing for the country. In other words, you might as well have not v**ed, simple as that. But hey, to each his own.

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Dec 12, 2019 14:38:48   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
While doing a write in v**e for a ghost candidate might make one feel all warm inside that they have stayed true to their beliefs, it does nothing for the country. In other words, you might as well have not v**ed, simple as that. But hey, to each his own.

Unless my one v**e would've somehow swung the e******n either way, I feel I did no harm. Also, being American is akin "to each his own," wouldn't you say

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