dongreen76

Does he understand what the impeachment procedures entails or is he shooting someone again and telling your dumb ass any thing and still expecting your support and v**es.
He contends he hasn't even committed a crime.Perhaps he does not understand that being impeached is not nesscesarily a reprimand or judgement for criminal offenses but more or less Judgment of are you adhering to and doing the job as is constitutionally prescribed, as it should be adhered to.
It is the same philosophy which ascertains whether you should be discharged or not- for instance you are under rebuke for having to many un-excused absences; having to many absences is not a incarceratory criminal offense,it is however ,an offense that may cause a discharge of the individual under scrutiny for the offense that violates company rules that are not criminal,it is more or less torque or civil as oppose to criminal

steve66613

Dong:

Please state the SPECIFIC criminal offenses you’re referencing. And, back them up with EXPERT opinion and constitutional, fact-based rulings.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

So, Don, where do "high crimes and misdemeanors" necessary under the Constitution for impeachment enter into your commentary?

steve66613

Gosh Padre, l’m hoping Dong can tell us the laws which the POTUS has broken. The legislature doesn’t seem to know.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

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okie don

Don, let's assume you are the President of our nation and heard Joe Biden say publically what he did about getting someone taken off an investigation in a nation you are sending money to which you have been advised is crime ridden.
Q. Do you ignore it and thereby not do your job hired to do?
Just curious ...

Dwight Logan

If he were an ignoramus he would not be trying to make America great again. He would be not trying to undo what our forefathers and patriots did to make THE USA GREAT. Those who want open borders would be free to leave and not come back. Neither would their "FRIENDS."

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Until the House v**es, he has not been indicted. Until the Senate v**es, then he has to be presumed innocent. So far, there are no evidence of wrongdoing, there are "moral" opinions, but opinions are not evidence. You and others may disapprove of his handling of the 25 July telecom, but that is a personal "moral" conclusion. Until a law is formulated that negates a President's freedom of speech, that President has coverage under the Constitution.

The media and Democrats have latched onto a false "impression." They would have us believe that a personal favor was requested. However, the President's preamble to the request "I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it." So, his request was in behalf of our nation, and not a personal "service." He goes on to say (questioning the "corruption" issues in the Ukraine) " I think you are surrounding yourself with some of the same people." I would like you to ·get to the bottom of it." So, a few keys...1. The President was not asking for a personal favor, but made a request because of the drama our nation has been subjected and 2. The President was concerned that President Zelensky was still surrounding himself with corrupt individuals. President Trump again makes Ukraine's corruption an issue for our nation when he said:"Good because I· heard you had a prosecutor who· was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. _·A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved." So, he asked President Zelensky to look into it, saying there is talk (hearsay) "There's a lot talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so wh**ever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me." And as you read this, what stands out is 1. There was no demand for action, 2. Our President was concerned with what is being discussed by our citizens, and 3. He is concerned that Biden has meddled in Ukraine's decision making.

I would say, based on the telecom....President Trump DID NOT commit a crime, abuse the Office of President, or request a personal favor. Perhaps his command of English is very ghetto New York street, but as far as I know a President cannot be impeached for not being a polished orator.

emarine

Little bit different circumstances... questionable Ukrainian President, known corrupt pro-Putin prosecutor & 1 billion not less than 4 million in funds... plus Russian aggression in Ukraine rapidly ramping up ...

dongreen76

Read the debates by the founders arguing as to what and when a president should be impeached,The term High Crimes and misdemeanors was taken from British parliamentary law.They specifically were concerned about the president s conduct, and used a term referred to as mal- conduct.When they settled on the term misdemeanor,They had in mind mal-conduct - misdemeanor covering and being synomous with mal conduct.If you read the arguments by Morris,and Hamiliton.As was denoted in my topic post I made an analogy of an employee being under scrutiny for violations of company rules and regulations,and what is the reprimand that occurs when an employee is under scrutiny and deemed to have malfeased or have some degree of mal conduct so far as not adhering to company codes rules and regulations.In that era the term misdemeanor did not have the same connotations as it has today.Today misdemeanor means a crime not as serious as a felony,and punishable by no more than a year jail and probation and possibly a fine.In other words the term misdemeanor had not had technicality attached to it,having said this ,they could only have used the term misdemeanor to refer to mal-conduct.
https://constitutioncenter.orgblog/what-the-founders-thought-about-impeachment-and-the-president

steve66613

Aaaaaaaand......the crimes are___________.

emarine

The innocent don't go through great lengths to burry information.... trump does & always has... he speaks mob & his lawyers do the dirty work... we elected a thug not an American President... you can pretend you can't see it same as the republican senate ...

Fodaoson Loc: South Texas

What is going on now is not impeachment it is investigation of allegations. As in any investigation false leads are sometimes followed that prove false, others that appear to be false upon examination are not. Witnesses are not cross examined until actual charges are made. IF some of the charges are demonstrated to have validity then the investigating committee will report to the house of representatives and the entire house will decide if to impeach. During the actual Senate trial cross examining of witnesses can take place.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

He did not bury the phone conversation, and that is what the House is using as an excuse for impeachment. I am unprepared to go further and speculate what you mean by "always have", "mob" and "lawyers." Let us get on the same page, I have followed the Impeachment process carefully, the House has made it clear that they are not using any other rationale for the impending v**e....it is the phone call. Whether or not you see him as a "thug" is immaterial. You have a right to your opinion. We must use only what the House is using as evidence of wrongdoing...the phone call. I do not think we can get away with ignoring his opening to President Z...."Do us a favor because our country has been through a lot...." logically, if he were asking for dirt to be personally used, this would be phrased differently. Listen to his speeches, he is not shy when he talks about and for himself. He uses that personal pronoun frequently, "I think, I am, I want....." It is clear in perspective the "us" in his preamble is the USA.

So, although I respect you as an educated and honest person, I respectfully disagree with your conclusions.

Lonewolf

what would a corrupt US presindent t care about corruption in another country except to see if he could get in on it!