Irony...The Right Has Faith That's Applied To Everything But Facts, The Left Has Science And Facts: The right, conservatives, believe in things, typically once beliefs are set there...

woodguru

The right, conservatives, believe in things, typically once beliefs are set there really isn't any point in arguing with these beliefs...this is an established fact correct?

Atheists, those who do not typically believe in god, need to have things proven to them, here is where science and facts rule. It actually doesn't matter if an opinion has already been formed, new facts, new scientific studies will be studied and become part of the newly formed opinion.

I find it unnecessary to argue with people about their religious beliefs, I don't care what they believe or want to believe about god and the bible, and I don't care what they want to believe about my lack of faith... but to argue with someone who has arrived at conclusions based on the unsupported beliefs and rhetoric of others who are part of a political belief system is madness. Especially when it can easily be seen that those they have chosen to believe are feeding them unadulterated lies.

The believer in the case of the current impeachment situation has already decided to believe that this whole impeachment thing is a h**x perpetrated by dems who h**e trump and have wanted to impeach him from the start, which by the way is true, but in order to impeach it takes more than wanting to do it, it takes reasons, which trump has been supplying from the start.

As a person who is relying on the facts, I wait for them to come out. I want to hear what the people involved in the actual events say...because their words and take on what happened matters. The first pieces of discovery would be the whistleblower report, which by the way is supposed to be done anonymously, whereby the intelligence inspector general looks into it to see if it is credible. Having found that it was, and that not only was it credible, but that it looked like there were elements of criminal violations involved, turned it over to the AG, Barr as well. It was still supposed to be turned over to the house and senate intelligence committees, but Barr, acting once again as the p**********l defense attorney wanted the whistleblower report by the IC IG not to be turned over to congress, a blatantly illegal act of obstruction by the way.

The more we learned as facts came out, the worse it looked for trump and many people in the administration who participated in illegally withholding military aid to the Ukraine. New evidence was continually added that actually supports that trump and his people knew what he was doing was wrong. He had multiple people filing complaints and the administration actively continued to do what they knew at an early point was wrong, and being done wrong.

The believers need to show they can engage their brains and look at things trump did that were wrong. Believing in trump is fine, but it doesn't mean he gets a free pass to piss all over the constitution and our national security concerns. A president cannot block military aid that was passed by veto proof margins in the house and senate without doing it through proper channels, this is a democracy not a dictatorship.

2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland

woodguru wrote:

The right, conservatives, believe in things, typically once beliefs are set there really isn't any point in arguing with these beliefs...this is an established fact correct?

Atheists, those who do not typically believe in god, need to have things proven to them, here is where science and facts rule. It actually doesn't matter if an opinion has already been formed, new facts, new scientific studies will be studied and become part of the newly formed opinion.

I find it unnecessary to argue with people about their religious beliefs, I don't care what they believe or want to believe about god and the bible, and I don't care what they want to believe about my lack of faith... but to argue with someone who has arrived at conclusions based on the unsupported beliefs and rhetoric of others who are part of a political belief system is madness. Especially when it can easily be seen that those they have chosen to believe are feeding them unadulterated lies.

The believer in the case of the current impeachment situation has already decided to believe that this whole impeachment thing is a h**x perpetrated by dems who h**e trump and have wanted to impeach him from the start, which by the way is true, but in order to impeach it takes more than wanting to do it, it takes reasons, which trump has been supplying from the start.

As a person who is relying on the facts, I wait for them to come out. I want to hear what the people involved in the actual events say...because their words and take on what happened matters. The first pieces of discovery would be the whistleblower report, which by the way is supposed to be done anonymously, whereby the intelligence inspector general looks into it to see if it is credible. Having found that it was, and that not only was it credible, but that it looked like there were elements of criminal violations involved, turned it over to the AG, Barr as well. It was still supposed to be turned over to the house and senate intelligence committees, but Barr, acting once again as the p**********l defense attorney wanted the whistleblower report by the IC IG not to be turned over to congress, a blatantly illegal act of obstruction by the way.

The more we learned as facts came out, the worse it looked for trump and many people in the administration who participated in illegally withholding military aid to the Ukraine. New evidence was continually added that actually supports that trump and his people knew what he was doing was wrong. He had multiple people filing complaints and the administration actively continued to do what they knew at an early point was wrong, and being done wrong.

The believers need to show they can engage their brains and look at things trump did that were wrong. Believing in trump is fine, but it doesn't mean he gets a free pass to piss all over the constitution and our national security concerns. A president cannot block military aid that was passed by veto proof margins in the house and senate without doing it through proper channels, this is a democracy not a dictatorship.

The right, conservatives, believe in things, typic... (show quote)

Your are not even close with anything you wrote here.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

2bltap wrote:

Your are not even close with anything you wrote here.

You got that right. Woody is definitely a postmodern liberal. He's way the hell out there, man, somewhere in a dizzying world where words have no ontic referent and morality is totally subjective.

Rose42

Ironically, the title of this thread is not based on facts. Ain't that something...

No I didn't bother reading the post.

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

woodguru wrote:

The right, conservatives, believe in things, typically once beliefs are set there really isn't any point in arguing with these beliefs...this is an established fact correct?

AGW...

The Yucatan Asteroid K**led All The Dinosaurs

Smedley_buzkill

woodguru wrote:

The right, conservatives, believe in things, typically once beliefs are set there really isn't any point in arguing with these beliefs...this is an established fact correct?

Atheists, those who do not typically believe in god, need to have things proven to them, here is where science and facts rule. It actually doesn't matter if an opinion has already been formed, new facts, new scientific studies will be studied and become part of the newly formed opinion.

I find it unnecessary to argue with people about their religious beliefs, I don't care what they believe or want to believe about god and the bible, and I don't care what they want to believe about my lack of faith... but to argue with someone who has arrived at conclusions based on the unsupported beliefs and rhetoric of others who are part of a political belief system is madness. Especially when it can easily be seen that those they have chosen to believe are feeding them unadulterated lies.

The believer in the case of the current impeachment situation has already decided to believe that this whole impeachment thing is a h**x perpetrated by dems who h**e trump and have wanted to impeach him from the start, which by the way is true, but in order to impeach it takes more than wanting to do it, it takes reasons, which trump has been supplying from the start.

As a person who is relying on the facts, I wait for them to come out. I want to hear what the people involved in the actual events say...because their words and take on what happened matters. The first pieces of discovery would be the whistleblower report, which by the way is supposed to be done anonymously, whereby the intelligence inspector general looks into it to see if it is credible. Having found that it was, and that not only was it credible, but that it looked like there were elements of criminal violations involved, turned it over to the AG, Barr as well. It was still supposed to be turned over to the house and senate intelligence committees, but Barr, acting once again as the p**********l defense attorney wanted the whistleblower report by the IC IG not to be turned over to congress, a blatantly illegal act of obstruction by the way.

The more we learned as facts came out, the worse it looked for trump and many people in the administration who participated in illegally withholding military aid to the Ukraine. New evidence was continually added that actually supports that trump and his people knew what he was doing was wrong. He had multiple people filing complaints and the administration actively continued to do what they knew at an early point was wrong, and being done wrong.

The believers need to show they can engage their brains and look at things trump did that were wrong. Believing in trump is fine, but it doesn't mean he gets a free pass to piss all over the constitution and our national security concerns. A president cannot block military aid that was passed by veto proof margins in the house and senate without doing it through proper channels, this is a democracy not a dictatorship.

The right, conservatives, believe in things, typic... (show quote)

Newsflash, slick. The aid was not blocked, at the time Ukraine had not even spent all of what we had previously given them. The Prime Minister said there was no coercion. (But you would rather believe someone who works for Schiff, of course.)
I notice that you are remarkably silent on the PROVEN blackmail that Biden engaged in while Vice-President to protect his cokehead boy.

MICHAEL SALADEN

woodguru wrote:

The right, conservatives, believe in things, typically once beliefs are set there really isn't any point in arguing with these beliefs...this is an established fact correct?

Atheists, those who do not typically believe in god, need to have things proven to them, here is where science and facts rule. It actually doesn't matter if an opinion has already been formed, new facts, new scientific studies will be studied and become part of the newly formed opinion.

I find it unnecessary to argue with people about their religious beliefs, I don't care what they believe or want to believe about god and the bible, and I don't care what they want to believe about my lack of faith... but to argue with someone who has arrived at conclusions based on the unsupported beliefs and rhetoric of others who are part of a political belief system is madness. Especially when it can easily be seen that those they have chosen to believe are feeding them unadulterated lies.

The believer in the case of the current impeachment situation has already decided to believe that this whole impeachment thing is a h**x perpetrated by dems who h**e trump and have wanted to impeach him from the start, which by the way is true, but in order to impeach it takes more than wanting to do it, it takes reasons, which trump has been supplying from the start.

As a person who is relying on the facts, I wait for them to come out. I want to hear what the people involved in the actual events say...because their words and take on what happened matters. The first pieces of discovery would be the whistleblower report, which by the way is supposed to be done anonymously, whereby the intelligence inspector general looks into it to see if it is credible. Having found that it was, and that not only was it credible, but that it looked like there were elements of criminal violations involved, turned it over to the AG, Barr as well. It was still supposed to be turned over to the house and senate intelligence committees, but Barr, acting once again as the p**********l defense attorney wanted the whistleblower report by the IC IG not to be turned over to congress, a blatantly illegal act of obstruction by the way.

The more we learned as facts came out, the worse it looked for trump and many people in the administration who participated in illegally withholding military aid to the Ukraine. New evidence was continually added that actually supports that trump and his people knew what he was doing was wrong. He had multiple people filing complaints and the administration actively continued to do what they knew at an early point was wrong, and being done wrong.

The believers need to show they can engage their brains and look at things trump did that were wrong. Believing in trump is fine, but it doesn't mean he gets a free pass to piss all over the constitution and our national security concerns. A president cannot block military aid that was passed by veto proof margins in the house and senate without doing it through proper channels, this is a democracy not a dictatorship.

The right, conservatives, believe in things, typic... (show quote)

I find your opinion lacking full substance and credibility...

For example, a preponderance of evidence exists that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has committed egregious crimes against our nation and our people...

Why is it that no news of this is in mainstream media... Why is she defended for starting the Steel Report with it's funding from the DNC?

Where is the moral outrage of this woman's career criminal endeavors while in political office...

The "wire taps" were initiated by lies from the liberal left which led to the granting of FISA warrants and the spying on if an AMERICAN Citizen and eventual candidate for President...

More than enough evidence has been compiled and Chronology established to begin indictments and arrests of a vast majority of the Obama administration, yet no one is pulling the trigger except those who panic in fear of prosecutions beginning...

They hope that by impeaching President Trump that this will all be forgotten... It will not be swept under the rug any longer as the criminal prosecutions will begin against all who are guilty... Republicans as well as Democrats are those who will become the targets...

Dwight Logan

woodguru wrote:

The right, conservatives, believe in things, typically once beliefs are set there really isn't any point in arguing with these beliefs...this is an established fact correct?

Atheists, those who do not typically believe in god, need to have things proven to them, here is where science and facts rule. It actually doesn't matter if an opinion has already been formed, new facts, new scientific studies will be studied and become part of the newly formed opinion.

I find it unnecessary to argue with people about their religious beliefs, I don't care what they believe or want to believe about god and the bible, and I don't care what they want to believe about my lack of faith... but to argue with someone who has arrived at conclusions based on the unsupported beliefs and rhetoric of others who are part of a political belief system is madness. Especially when it can easily be seen that those they have chosen to believe are feeding them unadulterated lies.

The believer in the case of the current impeachment situation has already decided to believe that this whole impeachment thing is a h**x perpetrated by dems who h**e trump and have wanted to impeach him from the start, which by the way is true, but in order to impeach it takes more than wanting to do it, it takes reasons, which trump has been supplying from the start.

As a person who is relying on the facts, I wait for them to come out. I want to hear what the people involved in the actual events say...because their words and take on what happened matters. The first pieces of discovery would be the whistleblower report, which by the way is supposed to be done anonymously, whereby the intelligence inspector general looks into it to see if it is credible. Having found that it was, and that not only was it credible, but that it looked like there were elements of criminal violations involved, turned it over to the AG, Barr as well. It was still supposed to be turned over to the house and senate intelligence committees, but Barr, acting once again as the p**********l defense attorney wanted the whistleblower report by the IC IG not to be turned over to congress, a blatantly illegal act of obstruction by the way.

The more we learned as facts came out, the worse it looked for trump and many people in the administration who participated in illegally withholding military aid to the Ukraine. New evidence was continually added that actually supports that trump and his people knew what he was doing was wrong. He had multiple people filing complaints and the administration actively continued to do what they knew at an early point was wrong, and being done wrong.

The believers need to show they can engage their brains and look at things trump did that were wrong. Believing in trump is fine, but it doesn't mean he gets a free pass to piss all over the constitution and our national security concerns. A president cannot block military aid that was passed by veto proof margins in the house and senate without doing it through proper channels, this is a democracy not a dictatorship.

The right, conservatives, believe in things, typic... (show quote)

The liberals believe in negative and corruptive f**e news. Then expoud them forever. I understand that ancient Rome and Greece put people who rooted for Trump in the arena with the lions. Both Greece and Rome started impeachment when the lions licked him and ran out of the arena.
Let this be s warning for jealous peole3.