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Dec 5, 2019 16:46:33   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
ACP45 wrote:
If you were ordered to execute an unarmed enemy insurgent that was in the process of surrendering, would you do it? What if you were ordered to fire upon fleeing civilians, would you do it? What if you were ordered to k**l an entire household of people, including women and young children because they may have harbored a terrorist, would you do it? What is worse, committing treason for violating a military order, or committing an illegal and immoral act?


The one with the terrorist, yes. The others, no and I have disobeyed orders. I was sent to keep young boys alive and following the rules of engagement would k**l them and me.

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Dec 5, 2019 16:49:00   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Yes...

Yes...

Yes...

The first...

Soldiers don't have the luxury of disobedience... They took an oath...

Those that give the command can be tried for war crimes and what not... But a soldier obeys..


Usually, yes but there are moral circumstances.

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Dec 5, 2019 17:14:28   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
ACP45 wrote:
I will attempt to put together an adequate reply in a day or so.
An "adequate reply"?? The origin and purpose of the Z*****t movement isn't that complicated.

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Dec 5, 2019 18:26:29   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
ACP45 wrote:
This would entail a long and detailed explanation, which if are really interested in, I'll be happy to provide to you. The short answer is that I make a distinction be Z*****m, and Judiasm. I love and respect the Jewish people, I do not like or condone their leadership from the inception of the creation of the Jewish state. I believe that the Z*****t movement and belief system is the root cause for much of the turmoil in the Middle East, and exercises an undo amount of control over US media and our political system.
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Pardon me for stepping out of my normal passive response, but BS! Just say it! Are you afraid to confess what you truly want???? You and all the new world N**i want exactly what your predecessor wanted, the extermination of every last Jew in the world. You only want the US "free from the Jewishness", the Jew stripped of a Jewish state, and for the US to abandon Israel! For without the USA, you think they will be pushed into the sea. And as they are k**led off, and the death camps are found, you will lift up your eyes and say that you did not intend for them to be k**led! Your shock will mirror the mock shock the "citizens" of Buchenwald. Your brand of H**E will never end!



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Dec 5, 2019 20:23:14   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Pardon me for stepping out of my normal passive response, but BS! Just say it! Are you afraid to confess what you truly want???? You and all the new world N**i want exactly what your predecessor wanted, the extermination of every last Jew in the world. You only want the US "free from the Jewishness", the Jew stripped of a Jewish state, and for the US to abandon Israel! For without the USA, you think they will be pushed into the sea. And as they are k**led off, and the death camps are found, you will lift up your eyes and say that you did not intend for them to be k**led! Your shock will mirror the mock shock the "citizens" of Buchenwald. Your brand of H**E will never end!
Pardon me for stepping out of my normal passive re... (show quote)


I didn't get this from ACP's posts...

Will wait for his promised explanation..

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Dec 5, 2019 20:56:18   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I didn't get this from ACP's posts...

Will wait for his promised explanation..


He writes well and is very clear ", I do not like or condone their leadership (Jewish) from the inception of the creation of the Jewish state. I believe that the Z*****t movement and belief system is the root cause for much of the turmoil in the Middle East, and exercises an undo amount of control over US media and our political system.

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Dec 5, 2019 21:10:39   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
He writes well and is very clear ", I do not like or condone their leadership (Jewish) from the inception of the creation of the Jewish state. I believe that the Z*****t movement and belief system is the root cause for much of the turmoil in the Middle East, and exercises an undo amount of control over US media and our political system.


And I await his explanation as to what he deems "Z*****t" to mean..

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Dec 6, 2019 05:20:43   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
An "adequate reply"?? The origin and purpose of the Z*****t movement isn't that complicated.


No, it is not complicated. But why ask the question if you know the answer?

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Dec 6, 2019 08:17:27   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
And I await his explanation as to what he deems "Z*****t" to mean..


While I have not read his book "Z*****m, The Real Enemy of The Jews", I have read excerpts. Here is Alan Hart's view of the distinction between Judiasm and Z*****m, which I accept, and have taken as my own:

"Judaism is the religion of Jews, not 'the' Jews because not all Jews are religious. Like Christianity and Islam, Judaism has at its core a set of moral values and ethical principles. Z*****m is Jewish nationalism in the form of a sectarian, colonial enterprise which, in the process of creating and then expanding in the Arab heartland a state for some Jews, made a mockery of Judaism's moral values and ethical principles and demonstrated contempt for international law and the human and political rights of the Palestinians."

Since it's founding in 1948, the use of "terrorism" by Israel has been an integral element of the Z*****t State. Read some of the writings by Theodore Herzl, Political Z*****m’s Founding Father, and Vladimir Jabotinsky, Founding Father of Z*****t militarism. Z*****m vs. Judaism http://www.z*****mbook.com/#about-the-book

Jabotinsky: From his book, [The Iron Wall] “Each people will struggle against colonizers until the last spark of hope that they can avoid the dangers of colonization and conquest is extinguished. The Palestinians will struggle in this way until there is hardly a spark of hope.”

"There can be no discussion of voluntary reconciliation between the Arabs, not now and not in the foreseeable future. All well-meaning people, with the exception of those blind from birth, understood long ago the complete impossibility of arriving at a voluntary agreement with the Arabs of Palestine for the t***sformation of Palestine from an Arab country to a country with a Jewish majority."

"All colonization, even the most restricted, must continue in defiance of the will of the native population. Therefore, it can continue and develop only under the shield of force which comprises an Iron Wall which the local population can never break through. This is our Arab policy. To formulate it any other way would be hypocrisy."

"Whether through the Balfour Declaration or the Mandate, external force is a necessity for establishing in the country conditions of rule and defense through which the local population, regardless of what it wishes, will be deprived of the possibility of impeding our colonization, administratively or physically. Force must play its role—with strength and without indulgence."

"Z*****m is a colonizing adventure and therefore it stands or it falls by the question of armed force."

"To the hackneyed reproach that this point of view is unethical, I answer—absolutely untrue. This is our ethic. There is no other ethic. As long as there is the faintest spark of hope for the Arabs to impede us, they will not sell these hopes—not for any sweet words nor for any tasty morsel, because this (the Palestinians) is not a rabble but a people, a living people. And no people makes such enormous concessions on such fateful questions, except when there is no hope left, until we have removed every opening visible in the Iron Wall." 15

If you think these are just words and do not have a bearing on actual events, I refer you to "Past Z*****t-Jewish Terrorism -Some Historical Facts". https://rense.com/general21/pastz*****t.htm

Following are just a few of the many massacres committed by Jewish-Z*****t terrorists, notably by the Z*****t Hagana, Irgun and Stern Gang groups.

1. King David Hotel, July 22, 1946.
2. Sharafat, Feb. 7, 1951.
3. Deir Yassin, April 10, 1948.
4. Falameh, April 2, 1951.
5. Naseruddine, April 14, 1948.
6. Quibya, Oct. 14, 1953.
7. Carmel, April 20, 1948.
8. Nahalin, March, 28, 1954.
9. Al-Qabu, May 1, 1948.
10. Gaza, Feb. 28, 1955.
11. Beit Kiras, May 3, 1948.
12. Khan Yunis, May 31, 1955.
13. Beitkhoury, May 5, 1948.
14. Khan Yunis Again, Aug. 31, 1955
15. Az-Zaytoun, May 6, 1948.
16. Tiberia, Dec. 11, 1955.
17. Wadi Araba, May 13, 1950.
18. As-Sabha, Nov. 2, 1955.
19. Gaza Again, April 5, 1956.
20. Houssan, Sept. 25, 1956.
21. Rafa, Aug. 16, 1956.
22. Qalqilyah, Oct. 10, 1956.
23. Ar-Rahwa, Sept. 12, 1956.
24. Kahr Kassem, Oct. 29, 1956.
25. Gharandal, Sept. 13, 1956.
26. Gaza Strip, Nov. 1956.

Now, another quote from Alan Hart's book:

"Supporters of Israel right or wrong conflate Judaism and Z*****m because the assertion that they are one and the same enables them to claim that criticism of the Z*****t state of Israel is a manifestation of anti-Semitism. Often, almost always these days, the accusation that criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism is false. And this false charge is the blackmail card played to silence criticism of, and suppress informed and honest debate about, the Z*****t state and its policies. The reality is that Judaism and political Z*****m are total opposites, and knowledge of the difference is the key to understanding two things. One is why it is perfectly possible to be passionately anti-Z*****t - opposed to Z*****m's colonial enterprise - without being in any way, shape or form anti-Semitic (anti-Jew). The other is why it is wrong to blame all Jews everywhere for the crimes of the hard core Z*****t few in Palestine that became Israel."

Then there is the "The Z*****t Plan for the Middle East - T***slated and edited by -Israel Shahak
The Israel of Theodore Herzl (1904) and of Rabbi Fischmann (1947) https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-z*****t-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

I will not even touch upon the issue of Z*****t control of the Media, and our political system due to the length of this post. But if you are interested, read this: https://ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/introlobby.html. or this: http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/jewishlobby.shtml

Why is it that anyone who criticizes Israel is always labeled an "anti-semite"? As former Israeli Minister states, "Anti-semitic", "its a trick we always use it"

https://youtu.be/D0kWAqZxJVE

Pennylynn - you refer to me as a "new world N**i" that wants the "extermination of every last Jew in the world" and that "Your shock will mirror the mock shock the "citizens" of Buchenwald. Your brand of H**E will never end!"

I will take that as an "upset reaction" to a subject that you are very passionate about. I do not hold this against you. I hope that if you, and perhaps others, read what I have taken the time write, you will feel differently. We may have our philosophical differences on the role that Israel vis a vis the rights of the Palestinian people, but I assure you that I do not harbor any ill feelings on the Jewish people living in Israel. I sincerely believe that they want peace with their neighbors. I take exception to the actions of their government, just as I do the many actions that our government takes relative to other nations.

Peace be to you!

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Dec 11, 2019 07:29:38   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Who is Sheldon Adelson?
What is his role on influencing American Foreign Policy?
To which country does Mr. Adelson owe his primary allegiance?

Consider the following:

1. Mr. Adelson is reported to be the 3 wealthiest individual in the United States.

2. Mr. Adelson sits on the "Trump Victory Committee" and "Ecomomic Policy Group"

3. “I would put Adelson at the very top of the list of both access and influence in the Trump administration,” said Craig Holman of the watchdog group Public Citizen. “I’ve never seen anything like it before, and I’ve been studying money in politics for 40 years.” https://www.t***hdig.com/articles/billionaire-sheldon-adelson-has-trump-in-his-pocket/

4. Listen to Mr. Adelson's comment on military service: https://youtu.be/0464vUfWNfQ?t=13m





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Dec 11, 2019 07:45:32   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
ACP45 wrote:
Who is Sheldon Adelson?
What is his role on influencing American Foreign Policy?
To which country does Mr. Adelson owe his primary allegiance?

Consider the following:

1. Mr. Adelson is reported to be the 3 wealthiest individual in the United States.

2. Mr. Adelson sits on the "Trump Victory Committee" and "Ecomomic Policy Group"

3. “I would put Adelson at the very top of the list of both access and influence in the Trump administration,” said Craig Holman of the watchdog group Public Citizen. “I’ve never seen anything like it before, and I’ve been studying money in politics for 40 years.” https://www.t***hdig.com/articles/billionaire-sheldon-adelson-has-trump-in-his-pocket/

4. Listen to Mr. Adelson's comment on military service: https://youtu.be/0464vUfWNfQ?t=13m
Who is Sheldon Adelson? br What is his role on inf... (show quote)


Politics are rather corrupt this way...

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Dec 11, 2019 08:03:55   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Politics are rather corrupt this way...


Which brings us back to the central point of this discussion. Whose country's interests are being served when so many of our political leaders depend upon the "mothers milk" of money, media, and control of the narrative? Did you catch Mr. Adelson's remarks on military service in the video?

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Dec 11, 2019 08:07:18   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
ACP45 wrote:
Which brings us back to the central point of this discussion. Whose country's interests are being served when so many of our political leaders depend upon the "mothers milk" of money, media, and control of the narrative? Did you catch Mr. Adelson's remarks on military service in the video?


Apologies... I'm out at the moment...

Haven't viewed the video...

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