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Dec 3, 2019 18:04:19   #
rumitoid
 
I’ll defer to the military experts on whether Trump’s position is harmful to the armed forces, as well as to our standing in the world.

But I wish there was a way for members of Congress, as they contemplate impeachment of Trump, to consider something Spencer said in his resignation letter. Something about recognizing their responsibility. Something that might help them find their lost souls.

He wrote in part, “The rule of law is what sets us apart from our adversaries. Good order and discipline is what has enabled our victory against foreign tyranny time and again …

“Unfortunately it has become apparent that … I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline. I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my f**g and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Imagine that. 

Recognizing it is the rule of law, not an individual, that sets the United States apart.

And recognizing as well the responsibility of having taken an oath to defend the Constitution.

And taking a stand in support of that oath.
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Dec 3, 2019 18:08:59   #
Liberty Tree
 
rumitoid wrote:
I’ll defer to the military experts on whether Trump’s position is harmful to the armed forces, as well as to our standing in the world.

But I wish there was a way for members of Congress, as they contemplate impeachment of Trump, to consider something Spencer said in his resignation letter. Something about recognizing their responsibility. Something that might help them find their lost souls.

He wrote in part, “The rule of law is what sets us apart from our adversaries. Good order and discipline is what has enabled our victory against foreign tyranny time and again …

“Unfortunately it has become apparent that … I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline. I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my f**g and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Imagine that. 

Recognizing it is the rule of law, not an individual, that sets the United States apart.

And recognizing as well the responsibility of having taken an oath to defend the Constitution.

And taking a stand in support of that oath.
Site for this article unavailable.
I’ll defer to the military experts on whether Trum... (show quote)


Liberals always want to impose their definition of the rule of law on others but never themselves. They change the interpretation of the constitution as it fits their goals of the day.

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Dec 3, 2019 18:17:34   #
Ricktloml
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Liberals always want to impose their definition of the rule of law on others but never themselves. They change the interpretation of the constitution as it fits their goals of the day.


And how! The Constitution is a "living document" when the left wants to subvert it. When they get caught, they switch to sanctimonious, self-righteousness. The left's new found respect for "some of the military" is nauseating. Notice Gen. Flynn, and Gen Petraeus (no doubt there are others who weren't politically left enough to deserve respect,) received no such accolades, no they were shredded by the abusively biased, left-wing propaganda press.

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Dec 3, 2019 18:21:04   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
rumitoid wrote:
I’ll defer to the military experts on whether Trump’s position is harmful to the armed forces, as well as to our standing in the world.

But I wish there was a way for members of Congress, as they contemplate impeachment of Trump, to consider something Spencer said in his resignation letter. Something about recognizing their responsibility. Something that might help them find their lost souls.

He wrote in part, “The rule of law is what sets us apart from our adversaries. Good order and discipline is what has enabled our victory against foreign tyranny time and again …

“Unfortunately it has become apparent that … I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline. I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my f**g and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Imagine that. 

Recognizing it is the rule of law, not an individual, that sets the United States apart.

And recognizing as well the responsibility of having taken an oath to defend the Constitution.

And taking a stand in support of that oath.
Site for this article unavailable.
I’ll defer to the military experts on whether Trum... (show quote)


Rumitoid, you understand the buracracy in the government, don't you? Well, we have it in the military too. The pentagon and any military complex (war pigs as Ozzy Osbourne said) are the epitome of lobbyists all trying to get their war financed. That one is really simple, one of the Rothschilds bragged that he financed every war.
Speaking of the rule of law being abandoned, look around. There is a war on cops and other law enforcement people.

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Dec 3, 2019 18:31:43   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
rumitoid wrote:
I’ll defer to the military experts on whether Trump’s position is harmful to the armed forces, as well as to our standing in the world.

But I wish there was a way for members of Congress, as they contemplate impeachment of Trump, to consider something Spencer said in his resignation letter. Something about recognizing their responsibility. Something that might help them find their lost souls.

He wrote in part, “The rule of law is what sets us apart from our adversaries. Good order and discipline is what has enabled our victory against foreign tyranny time and again …

“Unfortunately it has become apparent that … I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline. I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my f**g and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Imagine that. 

Recognizing it is the rule of law, not an individual, that sets the United States apart.

And recognizing as well the responsibility of having taken an oath to defend the Constitution.

And taking a stand in support of that oath.
Site for this article unavailable.
I’ll defer to the military experts on whether Trum... (show quote)


The Schiff spectacle found Trump in contempt of Congress. I'm confident, absolute and positively certain that my contempt for the House of Representatives exceeds Trump's by light years.

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Dec 3, 2019 18:45:16   #
teabag09
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
Rumitoid, you understand the buracracy in the government, don't you? Well, we have it in the military too. The pentagon and any military complex (war pigs as Ozzy Osbourne said) are the epitome of lobbyists all trying to get their war financed. That one is really simple, one of the Rothschilds bragged that he financed every war.
Speaking of the rule of law being abandoned, look around. There is a war on cops and other law enforcement people.


As well as a WAR on Republicans, Conservatives, Christians and anyone else who doesn't tow the left's demon agenda. Mike

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Dec 3, 2019 19:41:31   #
vernon
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Liberals always want to impose their definition of the rule of law on others but never themselves. They change the interpretation of the constitution as it fits their goals of the day.


Sounds great but just pure bs from a bs artist. A soldier is ordered to testify about an (incident )lie
that a lawyer expected this soldier to swear to. This soldier refused and was charged with some law and he was threatened and his son was threatened so he plead guilty to save his son.Now he is fighting to save himself since the famous lawyers case went down the drain. He is trying to get everything on his record and if he does I hope he sues the lawyer also gets his law license taken.Maybe this will show that lawyers are not above the law.

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Dec 3, 2019 22:21:34   #
PLT Sarge Loc: Alabama
 
rumitoid wrote:
I’ll defer to the military experts on whether Trump’s position is harmful to the armed forces, as well as to our standing in the world.

But I wish there was a way for members of Congress, as they contemplate impeachment of Trump, to consider something Spencer said in his resignation letter. Something about recognizing their responsibility. Something that might help them find their lost souls.

He wrote in part, “The rule of law is what sets us apart from our adversaries. Good order and discipline is what has enabled our victory against foreign tyranny time and again …

“Unfortunately it has become apparent that … I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline. I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my f**g and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Imagine that. 

Recognizing it is the rule of law, not an individual, that sets the United States apart.

And recognizing as well the responsibility of having taken an oath to defend the Constitution.

And taking a stand in support of that oath.
Site for this article unavailable.
I’ll defer to the military experts on whether Trum... (show quote)


There is a Rule of Law in the military, it's called Chain of Command. Spencer went outside that chain of command and that was why he was fired. I objected to a command from my Commander once. Did not go behind his back. In a briefing stood to attention and asked to speak freely. Quoted from AR 600-20 "Army Rules and Regulations. I believed the order violated the rules and would put my troops in danger and result in collateral damage. I was dismissed and told to report in 30 mikes. Returning and reporting, My Commander agreed and asked for my input for the mission. After this mission I was moved to S3. If a soldier never gets out of the wire, they have no ideal or right to second guess what goes on the outside of that wire.

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Dec 4, 2019 08:26:01   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
PLT Sarge wrote:
There is a Rule of Law in the military, it's called Chain of Command. Spencer went outside that chain of command and that was why he was fired. I objected to a command from my Commander once. Did not go behind his back. In a briefing stood to attention and asked to speak freely. Quoted from AR 600-20 "Army Rules and Regulations. I believed the order violated the rules and would put my troops in danger and result in collateral damage. I was dismissed and told to report in 30 mikes. Returning and reporting, My Commander agreed and asked for my input for the mission. After this mission I was moved to S3. If a soldier never gets out of the wire, they have no ideal or right to second guess what goes on the outside of that wire.
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Salute Sgt! Been there and done that and it ain't easy.

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Dec 4, 2019 15:24:27   #
jelun
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Liberals always want to impose their definition of the rule of law on others but never themselves. They change the interpretation of the constitution as it fits their goals of the day.


Do you honestly believe that Trump appointed a liberal as Secretary of the Navy?

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Dec 4, 2019 16:22:05   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
vernon wrote:
Sounds great but just pure bs from a bs artist. A soldier is ordered to testify about an (incident )lie
that a lawyer expected this soldier to swear to. This soldier refused and was charged with some law and he was threatened and his son was threatened so he plead guilty to save his son.Now he is fighting to save himself since the famous lawyers case went down the drain. He is trying to get everything on his record and if he does I hope he sues the lawyer also gets his law license taken.Maybe this will show that lawyers are not above the law.
Sounds great but just pure bs from a bs artist. A ... (show quote)


I hope Flynn succeeds.

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Dec 4, 2019 20:02:12   #
PLT Sarge Loc: Alabama
 
Peewee wrote:
Salute Sgt! Been there and done that and it ain't easy.


Thanks Peewee. Always take care of your troops first. Brass didn't like me most of the time because I questioned decisions if they even came close to going against AR 600-20 and the Rules of Engagement. Enlisted loved me for doing it.

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Dec 4, 2019 20:40:55   #
rumitoid
 
PLT Sarge wrote:
Thanks Peewee. Always take care of your troops first. Brass didn't like me most of the time because I questioned decisions if they even came close to going against AR 600-20 and the Rules of Engagement. Enlisted loved me for doing it.


You appear to be a most decent man and honorable leader of men. Thank you.

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Dec 5, 2019 00:35:29   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
PLT Sarge wrote:
Thanks Peewee. Always take care of your troops first. Brass didn't like me most of the time because I questioned decisions if they even came close to going against AR 600-20 and the Rules of Engagement. Enlisted loved me for doing it.


Roger that and Amen! Mine was a bit different. A fireman on base and his military wife had twins. Two months later one died of SIDs. A month after that during the night his wife called him at work crying and said the other baby had stopped breathing. No planes were flying, he lived just outside the main gate. He notified his supervisor, jumped in his car rushed home and then back to the base hospital and saved his child and returned to work. They only had one car. Total time away from his duty station 35 minutes. They kicked him out of the Air Force. I got him reinstated with back pay. He missed a promotion cycle and got another stripe. I never made another stripe. Never heard of another person who was ever number one on the non-select list for promotion twice, I was. I think my records were f**gged. Every good deed has a cost. Don't regret it for a sec.

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Dec 5, 2019 19:35:27   #
PLT Sarge Loc: Alabama
 
Peewee wrote:
Roger that and Amen! Mine was a bit different. A fireman on base and his military wife had twins. Two months later one died of SIDs. A month after that during the night his wife called him at work crying and said the other baby had stopped breathing. No planes were flying, he lived just outside the main gate. He notified his supervisor, jumped in his car rushed home and then back to the base hospital and saved his child and returned to work. They only had one car. Total time away from his duty station 35 minutes. They kicked him out of the Air Force. I got him reinstated with back pay. He missed a promotion cycle and got another stripe. I never made another stripe. Never heard of another person who was ever number one on the non-select list for promotion twice, I was. I think my records were f**gged. Every good deed has a cost. Don't regret it for a sec.
Roger that and Amen! Mine was a bit different. A f... (show quote)


Would have done the same. Promotion and pay is not worth as much as the life of a child.

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