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Dec 3, 2019 15:51:30   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
kemmer wrote:
Sometimes—nay—most times, you can be dense as a block of granite.


Not nearly as often as you are wrong. Unwilling to compromise faith, morals and values appears as a block of granite to those who compromise anything for expediency. For many years I've claimed that those Representatives who compromise their faith would compromise their country just as quickly. Today they have millions of their progressive acolytes that must be added to the mix.

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Dec 3, 2019 15:53:10   #
kemmer
 
Mike Easterday wrote:
It has been ROTTEN since Clinton!

Billy Barr? I agree.

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Dec 3, 2019 15:59:33   #
kemmer
 
padremike wrote:
Not nearly as often as you are wrong. Unwilling to compromise faith, morals and values appears as a block of granite to those who compromise anything for expediency. For many years I've claimed that those Representatives who compromise their faith would compromise their country just as quickly. Today they have millions of their progressive acolytes that must be added to the mix.

I guess our society needs hoary old fussbudgets like you to sit in their dark, damp little covens and wail and moan about how things were much better and people knew their places, way back when. Greeting cards makers love those poor souls.

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Dec 3, 2019 16:38:37   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
kemmer wrote:
I guess our society needs hoary old fussbudgets like you to sit in their dark, damp little covens and wail and moan about how things were much better and people knew their places, way back when. Greeting cards makers love those poor souls.


Society, a functioning moral society, usually valued and respected the wisdom of their "hoary old fussbudgets" because there were always ignorant jackasses leading others into darkness. The fussbudgets represented stability. One of the indicators a society was turning in on itself and beginning to self destruct was when the fussbudgets sided with the jackasses. Other indicators were an increase in homosexuality and the destruction of the family including child and wife abuse.

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Dec 3, 2019 17:04:59   #
kemmer
 
padremike wrote:

Other indicators were an increase in homosexuality and the destruction of the family including child and wife abuse.

Hahaha... Yeah, like I said.

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Dec 3, 2019 17:20:16   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
kemmer wrote:
Hahaha... Yeah, like I said.


Yeah, exactly as you said incorrectly. You've already proven conclusively you don't comprehend right and wrong, good from evil so Why should we believe anything you say?

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Dec 3, 2019 17:43:32   #
kemmer
 
padremike wrote:
Yeah, exactly as you said incorrectly. You've already proven conclusively you don't comprehend right and wrong, good from evil so Why should we believe anything you say?

Yup, that’s you, ol’ fruit. Master well-poisoner and holiest old sod on the planet.

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Dec 3, 2019 20:07:17   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
PeterS wrote:
I just watched Donald Trump's latest attack on Lisa Page and Peter Strzok where he goes full porno and just stops short of humping the American f**g...all while you conservatives cheered their little moral hearts out. There was a time when such behavior by any politician would have been shocking but this is just Donald Trump and the Donald Trump conservatives want to hear and boy did you people cheer as you had never cheered before.

Of course, this begs the question of why but shooting the messenger is at the heart of every political argument conservatives make. Lisa and Peter are just low h*****g fruit and just enough to keep you cons somewhat satisfied but we all know the messenger you really want to shoot is the whistleblower and nothing makes you madder than not to be able to get you paws around his/her neck.

Now Blade Runner said you cons aren't "stuck on stupid" yet a 'smart' person can argue in something but the most rudimentary of logical fallacies. Now as I explained to Blade when you can't argue in anything BUT logical fallacies you lose all ability to see and understand objective t***h. So Ukraine, not Russia attacked us, or the Ukraine AND Russia us is believable but Russia attacking us for the purpose of electing Donald Trump is a complete and absurd impossibility!

And of course, you guys bought into the conspiracy theory that a nefarious "Deep State" controlled by e-vile liberals appointed Mueller for the full and complete purpose of taking down YOUR president. And the FACT that YOUR president appointed Rosenstein--who appointed Mueller--meaning that Trump would have had been in on the conspiracy to get him booted from office...somehow never became obvious to you why your conspiracy was false. I pointed that out to Blade Runner a dozen times and he could never connect that to why his conspiracy, that he believed with all of his heart, was a pile of conservative bunk! In fact, it turned out that Rosenstein had been a puppy dog of the presidents all along!

So enjoy your porno president. You deserve him--sadly, the rest of the country doesn't...
I just watched Donald Trump's latest attack on Lis... (show quote)



You make me want to vomit.

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Dec 4, 2019 08:54:16   #
PeterS
 
Squiddiddler wrote:
That's the name of the game baby.

The problem is, that's the only game you can play. Conservatives can no longer make logical arguments nor can you listen to them--to you they are nothing but lies. And as Trump would say, that's just SAD...

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Dec 4, 2019 09:48:35   #
PeterS
 
MR Mister wrote:
That's bull, Trump just has to repeat her words, that alone should be all that's needed to put her in an orange suit.

Did he repeat her words or did he paraphrase with his own little twist in order to destroy her personally? The sickness of what he did aside--the rhetorical device is designed to destroy her credibility so that people won't believe anything she might say.

A look at what Trump just said about Schiff: He's a deranged human being, a very sick man, a maniac, AND he lies. Trumps rhetoric is to 'attack the messenger', nowhere in there did he make an attempt to attack the message. Why, because if he does he will lose the argument. This is why logical fallacies are a rhetorical device--if you can't win an argument in any other way you use fallacies to destroy the maker and deflect away from their argument.

And of course, you conservatives as dutiful puppets will repeat everything he says believing, with all your heart, that what he says is true. However, repeating logical fallacies is not thinking and is how the listener is manipulated into believing lies. And I know, you are told you are thinking for yourself and what you are told is true but a fallacy can be either true or false and if you don't think for yourselves you can never know which it is...

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Dec 4, 2019 10:20:35   #
kemmer
 
PeterS wrote:
Did he repeat her words or did he paraphrase with his own little twist in order to destroy her personally? The sickness of what he did aside--the rhetorical device is designed to destroy her credibility so that people won't believe anything she might say.

A look at what Trump just said about Schiff: He's a deranged human being, a very sick man, a maniac, AND he lies. Trumps rhetoric is to 'attack the messenger', nowhere in there did he make an attempt to attack the message. Why, because if he does he will lose the argument. This is why logical fallacies are a rhetorical device--if you can't win an argument in any other way you use fallacies to destroy the maker and deflect away from their argument.

And of course, you conservatives as dutiful puppets will repeat everything he says believing, with all your heart, that what he says is true. However, repeating logical fallacies is not thinking and is how the listener is manipulated into believing lies. And I know, you are told you are thinking for yourself and what you are told is true but a fallacy can be either true or false and if you don't think for yourselves you can never know which it is...
Did he repeat her words or did he paraphrase with ... (show quote)



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Dec 4, 2019 14:46:33   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
kemmer wrote:
Yup, that’s you, ol’ fruit. Master well-poisoner and holiest old sod on the planet.


I don't poison wells and I don't poison minds. I'm not the holiest man on the planet but I count myself amongst those who know the difference between right and wrong, good and evil.

When you tire of poisoning minds and move on to poisoning wells an old timer told me if you pour a little bit of coal in a well it will never clear up.

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Dec 4, 2019 15:29:30   #
kemmer
 
padremike wrote:
I count myself amongst those who know the difference between right and wrong, good and evil.

Welcome to the club.
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an old timer told me if you pour a little bit of coal in a well it will never clear up.

Yeah, but powdered unicorn horn counteracts the coal.
(Does one “pour” coal?)

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Dec 4, 2019 16:17:17   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
kemmer wrote:
Yeah, but powdered unicorn horn counteracts the coal.
(Does one “pour” coal?)


You'll never qualify for membership in that club and you believe in unicorns. No one does not pour coal rather it should have read coal oil.

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Dec 4, 2019 17:38:04   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
I just watched Donald Trump's latest attack on Lisa Page and Peter Strzok where he goes full porno and just stops short of humping the American f**g...all while you conservatives cheered their little moral hearts out. There was a time when such behavior by any politician would have been shocking but this is just Donald Trump and the Donald Trump conservatives want to hear and boy did you people cheer as you had never cheered before.

Of course, this begs the question of why but shooting the messenger is at the heart of every political argument conservatives make. Lisa and Peter are just low h*****g fruit and just enough to keep you cons somewhat satisfied but we all know the messenger you really want to shoot is the whistleblower and nothing makes you madder than not to be able to get you paws around his/her neck.

Now Blade Runner said you cons aren't "stuck on stupid" yet a 'smart' person can argue in something but the most rudimentary of logical fallacies. Now as I explained to Blade when you can't argue in anything BUT logical fallacies you lose all ability to see and understand objective t***h. So Ukraine, not Russia attacked us, or the Ukraine AND Russia us is believable but Russia attacking us for the purpose of electing Donald Trump is a complete and absurd impossibility!

And of course, you guys bought into the conspiracy theory that a nefarious "Deep State" controlled by e-vile liberals appointed Mueller for the full and complete purpose of taking down YOUR president. And the FACT that YOUR president appointed Rosenstein--who appointed Mueller--meaning that Trump would have had been in on the conspiracy to get him booted from office...somehow never became obvious to you why your conspiracy was false. I pointed that out to Blade Runner a dozen times and he could never connect that to why his conspiracy, that he believed with all of his heart, was a pile of conservative bunk! In fact, it turned out that Rosenstein had been a puppy dog of the presidents all along!

So enjoy your porno president. You deserve him--sadly, the rest of the country doesn't...
I just watched Donald Trump's latest attack on Lis... (show quote)
You're obsession with logical fallacies is irrational. Your post here is a good example. It is not possible to reach a logical conclusion when you base your argument on false premises. You make assumptions, you make judgements based on your own world view -- most likely based more on emotionally charged ideological perspectives (confirmation bias) than on rational thought and common sense. In this post, you have avoided all of the facts behind the assaults on president Trump.


Strozk and Page were "low h*****g fruit"???

Peter Strzok was the Chief of the Counterespionage Section and led the FBI's investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a personal email server.

Strzok rose to become a Deputy Assistant Director of the Counterintelligence Division, the second-highest position in that division. He also led the FBI's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States e******ns.

In June and July 2017, Strzok worked on Robert Mueller's Special Counsel investigation into any links or coordination between Donald Trump's p**********l campaign and the Russian government. Mueller removed Strzok from the Russia investigation when Mueller became aware of criticisms of Trump contained in personal text messages exchanged between Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page.

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