woodguru

The military absolutely epitomizes their chain of command, it is a religion and a code to observe and adhere to a chain of command. There is so much involved here it isn't easy to break it down to hard fast reasons, they are there but have an array of smaller consequences, and in the military small disagreements handled wrong can turn deadly. The military can never have or allow differences of policy cause confusion as to what the policies are. Gallagher was well outside of the box of military code in terms of how and who he was k*****g. It is absolutely not acceptable to take pictures of yourself with someone who has been k**led. It was repugnant and it would seem many of his peers had issues with his moral behavior as well.

It is safe to say that for regular military ranks they do not think of the president directly as a boss they answer to in the world they live in, that comes in day to day policies they have to live by, in their closer chains of command.

It was 100% unacceptable for the president to piss all over his chain of command, the military has a way they do things, and it is critical to moral and codes of k*****g that the policies are consistent and fair. And why the president got involved is perhaps the worst part of this, Hannity and friends at FOX thought this was a big deal and wrong. I would bet anything that the president has no clue what actually happened, he went by what the right noise machine was making of it. If you asked him what the case was about and what this guy had in reality been charged with, he would not know, his answers would sound like FOX rhetoric, they already do.

The president brought a new level of division to the surface of the military ranks, those despicables that applauded Gallagher's behavior, and those who wanted him punished and gone. Trump made it okay for a degree of lawless disregard for the honor and integrity expected of the military...there will be fighting among the ranks over it. This president has no understanding of honor, integrity, or law and order either in the military or civilian life.

Fodaoson Loc: South Texas

[quote]” This president has no understanding of honor, integrity, or law and order either in the military or civilian life.”
True this

Liberty Tree

Trump is in the chain of command. Like it or not is is at the top of the chain.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

[quote=Fodaoson]

What are you talking about?? Secretary of Navy went behind his boss's back and tried to tell President to stay out of it!!! That's why he got fired!! Good Riddance!!!President Trump is Commander in Chief,he has every right to pardon whomever he wants!!!He committed a bribery!!

Liberty Tree

They have forgotten President Truman and General MacArthur.

Seth

The president did not "piss all over" his chain of command -- SecNav went around the chain of command to "strike a deal" with CinC -- it was totally within SecDef's authority to take umbrage with that and deal with it as he saw fit.

POTUS himself had nothing to do with that, nor, administratively, did Gallagher.

Get your facts straight. 😎

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Absolute bulls**t. The POTUS is the Commander-in-Chief of the United States Armed Forces. IOW, he is the highest ranking officer in the military chain of command, he outranks the five stars and the SecDef.

"It was no accident and no oversight that the framers of our Constitution put the command of our armed forces under civilian authority."
President Franklin D Roosevelt

Of course, you wouldn't understand what FDR meant, you wipe your ass with the Constitution at every opportunity,

And, with extreme bias and total ignorance of military affairs, you are making mountains out of molehills.

Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher Acquitted of War Crimes Charges by Court Martial

a court-martial panel at Naval Base San Diego found Navy Chief Petty Officer Eddie Gallagher not guilty of all but one charge in a seven-count indictment that included premeditated murder. He was convicted of disobeying a lawful general regulation by posing with the corpse of an ISIS fighter in a photo.

This is one of those cases that never should have been brought based on the evidence. It further demonstrated that the institutional Navy had decided that it needed Gallagher’s scalp h*****g on its lodgepole to remind the warriors in the field that it is actually the fat-assed, bespectacled, g****r-questioning types (NTTAWWT) who call the shots in today’s Navy.

The nitwits and boobs who comprise the NCIS (the real one, not the bullsh** television show) seemingly slanted statements to show criminality. The lead NCIS investigator was accused of shaping and coaching testimony of the people he interviewed. The prosecutor in the case used a type of malware to monitor the communications of Gallagher’s attorney and was dismissed. There was no body and no autopsy. Apparently, there was actual film of the incident that cleared Gallagher but the case was pressed anyway. [b]The government’s lead witness, a Navy Corpsman, testifying under a grant of immunity, said that he, himself, k**led the ISIS fighter. The Navy’s own expert testified that he didn’t have a clue as to what k**led the fighter because there was no body. A witness said Gallagher didn’t k**l the prisoner.

All in all, the Navy pulled out all the stops to convict Gallagher. When President Trump broached the idea of pardoning him, a platoon of tame, stump-broke veterans appeared to convict Gallagher as a callous murderer and claim that his pardon would turn our armed forces into marauders who, to quote some famous dipwad, “raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human g*****ls and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan.”

In the end, he was convicted of something that should never have been taken to a court-martial, to begin with.

Gallagher faces up to four months confinement but he’s served over that amount of time in pre-trial confinement because the Navy tried to make him out to be some guy who was threatening witnesses (note he was acquitted of that charge). So, after sentencing, Gallagher walks. Gallagher was within just a few months of retirement when he was charged. He’s probably fully eligible now. The question is whether the Navy cuts its losses and lets him go or digs in and tries to give him a discharge under other than honorable conditions. He could also end up being discharged as an E=1 because if the court-martial panel imposes confinement at hard labor, an automatic reduction to the lowest enlisted grade goes along with it even if the punishment doesn’t specify the reduction in rank.

There are other guys either in prison or currently on parole who were railroaded just as certainly as the Navy tried to railroad Chief Gallagher. President Trump should, at a minimum, appoint a fact-finding commission to look at those convictions if not outright pardon them.

Liberty Tree

You are asking the impossible.

Seth

Your assessment (re dealing with Mr. Wood) is 100% accurate. I often wonder if he would even recognize a fact if it walked up and introduced itself, then handed him its business card.

Liberty Tree

He would not not a fact or t***h if God himself dropped it in his lap and said, "Here it is."

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Just shut the hell up and go away. It should scare the blazes out of folks that you v**e.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

What Trump *should do* I doubt if he will is have the Asians watched more closely. They stay quietly with each other. The problem with them and this isn't all Asians which makes profiling them more difficult. Many have invaded our troops, most branches, maybe all. And there are spies, sending back sensitive intel.

EL Loc: Massachusetts

He doesn't usually get his facts straight. Why should he start now?

Seth

One can always hope.

Then again, Linus Van Pelt was always rather hopeful about seeing the Great Pumpkin rise on Halloween night... 🎃

Smedley_buzkill

You certainly seem to be an expert on the military. Perhaps you can enlighten us as to which branch you served in?