nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

I posted some questions to our OPP brother and finished up with this:


Oh the hypocrisy of the left, who seem to think that the ends justify the means.

As an honest man, Slatten, do you honestly believe Schiff when he says he doesn't know the whistle blower or who it is? Vindman?

As an honest man do you honestly not see the potential for corruption in the Biden/Burisma connection? As was said on Chris Wallace's show this morning, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, if you don't look.

Also as an honest man, do you not see that Trump could actually be interested in uncovering corruption rather than getting dirt on a political opponent?

Going back to the Kavanaugh hearings, do you, as an honest man, actually think all those victims of abuse by Kavanaugh were real when not one corroborated any of the others??

Back to the quid pro quo, as an honest man, do you honestly think there truly was when the only "evidence" is what people thought or assumed to be or understood to be but not a single one can say that Trump articulated that to them; when not a person on the planet can say Trump told them he wanted the investigations in exchange for the military aid?

As an honest man I will say that I too, think Trump wanted the investigations in exchange for the military aid to a degree, but it was released and we have nothing, although in Ukraine there has been a criminal referral of H****r B***n and Burisma to their version of their investigative/legal agencies. So, it would appear that Ukraine actually got the message as well as they got their military aid. And in the US we are now going to investigate the very same thing with a treaty of information exchange/cooperation fully in place.

But again, do I, as an honest man, see this as getting dirt on a political opponent or investigating corruption where there happens to be a political opponent? I certainly could not see that Trump would be blind to the fact that the corruption he wants investigated is bad for the democratic party. Certainly not, but does that mean it should not be pursued? Do we give a pass to p**********l candidates?? Would that be in the best interest of the country or honest with the American people?

I think my point has been made here. The funny thing to me is taht the democratic party could actually beat Trump on a combination of issues AND character but they, themselves, lack the character to rise to that challenge. Instead, they have gone to the extreme left and have, in fact, attacked those of their own who espouse more traditional democratic values.

Trump can be impeached but not unseated. That's a fact. There is corruption here that needs to be rooted out. That's a fact. It's time to do that, rather than continue this circus charade. Amazing as it sounds, Trump has the high ground on this and people are seeing more and more who and what the democratic party is about; they see Schiff and like me, that is all they need.

debeda

EXCELLENT questions, nwtk!!!!!

And I have another one. Remember Vietnam? Remember how our soldiers were called "baby k**lers" and excoriated in the news and on the streets? And remember, now, that the left is SHRIEKING about losing their RIGHT to murder their own children, and the left has and is pushing through legislation all over the country to "abort" viable infants - ACTUAL infanticide???
The left has gone insane, and any human being with an iota of intelligence and common sense can see that.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

I remember it all too well and you are correct about the left!!

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Please provide a link to back up that a******n of viable infants bills pushed by democrats.. sound more like alt right sound bites than anything I have heard from any democrats..

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Can't answer my questions can you permy? LOLOL!

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Which question do you want an answer for??

I have been putzing about this morning and have skipped a number of last nights posts.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

As an honest man, Slatten/Permy, do you honestly believe Schiff when he says he doesn't know the whistle blower or who it is? Vindman?

As an honest man do you honestly not see the potential for corruption in the Biden/Burisma connection? As was said on Chris Wallace's show this morning, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, if you don't look.

Also as an honest man, do you not see that Trump could actually be interested in uncovering corruption rather than getting dirt on a political opponent?

Going back to the Kavanaugh hearings, do you, as an honest man, actually think all those victims of abuse by Kavanaugh were real when not one corroborated any of the others??

Back to the quid pro quo, as an honest man, do you honestly think there truly was when the only "evidence" is what people thought or assumed to be or understood to be but not a single one can say that Trump articulated that to them; when not a person on the planet can say Trump told them he wanted the investigations in exchange for the military aid?

debeda

Good grief!! Seriously? Virginia, New York, Illinois. I've provided links to this obscenity up the wazoo. Illinois even adding "comfort rooms" to a******n clinics and hospitals that provide a******ns, for the infants born alive to die. I've posted all of this ad nauseam with citations. Leaving to go shopping with grandchildren. Look up the laws Illinois has passed in the less than a year the dems have had a supermajority

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Biden/Burisma.... If you wish an investigation someone needs to find a reason for it.. by US law, the requires some evidence or credible accusation.
trump could not find any, so he demanded Ukraine post a public claim about an investigation, no matter the t***h.. T***h has never mattered to the orange a**H***,.. go for it..

trump interested in uncovering corruption?? No way, trump lives by corruption, he has all his life, learned it from his father and grandfather.. his only interest is to project the idea of corruption on his political foes..

Kavanaugh, Not all who had testimony were allowed to testify. the result was that we got one more drunken predator on the highest court in the land.. Those who were not allowed would have corroborated his sex attacks..

Even trump admitted to the quid pro quo and called it perfect.. then the 'favor" and the demand was verified, not by one but by several witnesses.. did you watch or only look at the fish wrap alt right telling you what trump instructed you to say?

The interests and wants of "the man" are easy to understand and do not, even at a low level, require that the exact words be spoken or written in order for the want to be understood.
In this case by all involved with the Ukraine mugging attempt..

So, I expect trump to impeached before Christmas but not removed..

I did listen to One women say maybe they would only censure the orange di** head. but I hold for the impeachment at this date..

the affect of these events?? Not so sure about how it will all make a mark..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Illnois...

On June 12, Governor JB Pritzker signed the Reproductive Health Act into law, greatly expanding access to a******n in the state of Illinois. But what exactly does that mean?

What is included in the bill?
The bill contains several affirmations, new insurance requirements, and repeals of two old laws that have not been enforceable in the state.

What does the bill affirm?
According to its sponsors, the bill affirms that "women, not politicians, make the decisions" about their reproductive health, including their birth control, the decision to have an a******n and the decision to carry a pregnancy to term.

Does my insurance now cover a******n?
If you have private insurance, yes. Before the RHA passed, the contraceptive coverage requirement in the Illinois Insurance Code did not cover a******n services in private insurance. The RHA requires private insurance to extend coverage to a******n services in addition to contraception, infertility treatments and maternity care.

Pritzker signed an executive order in January requiring state employee health insurance plans and Medicaid to cover a******n services in Illinois.

What laws got repealed by the RHA?
The RHA repealed both the state Partial Birth A******n Ban Act and the Illinois A******n Act of 1975.

The Illinois A******n Act of 1975 specifically imposed felony penalties on doctors who provided a******ns. While the act had been largely blocked by courts in Illinois, the RHA took the regulation of a******n out of the criminal code and affirmed a******n services are health care.

Does the RHA require women to have a******ns?
No. The RHA both protects a woman's right to have an a******n and to refuse an a******n.

Is the RHA a late term a******n bill?
State Rep. Kelly Cassidy (D-Chicago), one of the bill's sponsors, strongly refutes assertions by anti-a******n groups that the RHA is a late term a******n bill. She noted that a viability standard is present in the law, and federal law with regard to a******ns performed late in pregnancy supersedes state law.

The Partial Birth A******n Ban Act of 2003 includes an exception for when the life of the mother is at risk. The Supreme Court holds that states may prohibit a******n after fetal viability as long as there is an exception for the health, both mental and physical, and life of the mother. The legal standard of viability varies and is typically decided on an individual basis.

Will the RHA be challenged?
Anti-a******n groups have vowed to fight the law.

"As the pro-life people in Illinois, we will not be silent, we will move forward," said Mary Kate Knorr, executive director at Illinois Right to Life Action, the day that Pritzker signed the RHA into law.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

New York....



No, New York a******n law doesn't let mothers abort babies a minute before they would be born
By Ciara O'Rourke on Friday, February 1st, 2019 at 2:24 p.m.

On Jan. 22, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed a******n legislation that its advocates say codifies Roe vs. Wade into state law.

The Reproductive Health Act, sponsored by Democratic state Sen. Liz Krueger, says that a health care practitioner "may perform an a******n when, according to the practitioner’s reasonable and good faith professional judgment based on the facts of the patient’s case: the patient is within twenty-four weeks from the commencement of pregnancy, or there is an absence of fetal viability, or the a******n is necessary to protect the patient’s life or health."

Previously, women in New York could only get a******ns after 24 weeks of pregnancy if their lives were threatened, according to Justin F**gg, a spokesman for Krueger.

Under the new law, he said, women can also get an a******n after 24 weeks if their health is threatened or the fetus isn’t viable.

That was the standard set by the 1973 Supreme Court decision, F**gg said, but the discrepancy between the state and federal laws "meant that many women have been forced to go out of state to get necessary medical care after 24 weeks."

The New York law is part of a trend: In states where many people favor a******n rights, legislatures are moving to make the Roe vs. Wade standard part of state law.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Virginia... Hard to find current information on this state.. lot of court fights going on.. think this is most accurate.....


RESTRICTIONS ON A******N
In Virginia, the following restrictions on a******n were in effect as of September 1, 2019:

Most patients must receive state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage them from having an a******n, and then wait 24 hours before the procedure is provided. Counseling must be provided in person for women within 100 miles of the provider and must take place before the waiting period begins, thereby necessitating two trips to the facility.
Health plans offered in the state’s health exchange under the Affordable Care Act can only cover a******n in cases of life endangerment, or in cases of rape or incest.
A******n is covered in insurance policies for public employees only in cases of life endangerment, rape, incest or fetal impairment.
The parent of a minor must consent and be notified before an a******n is provided.
Public funding is available for a******n only in cases of life endangerment, rape, incest or fetal impairment.
A patient must undergo an ultrasound at least 24 hours before obtaining an a******n; the provider must offer the patient the option to view the image.
An a******n during the third trimester may be performed only if the patient's life or health is endangered.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

You sound like a person filled with h**e and rage, permy. You don't think there is ample evidence to investigate teh Bidens and burisma? There must be since a criminal referral has been made in the Ukraine court system looking into exactly that/the US too, investigating it. Also, since theFBI and CIA did not even look at the DNC server, you thin we should just atke the word of a "company" hired by the DNC??? I believe that is ample reason for investigate that.

You also think there was a demand made by Trump directed at the Ukraine?? Do me a favor = demand????????? Really???

You think Trump can't, as president, conduct foreign policy the way he chooses to?

I think you, like most of the Trump h**ers, are warped by your h**e. You certainly don't speak with reason; the funny thing being that you accuse Trump supporters of the very same thing you, yourselves, seem to practice.

Keep this in mind, it's all coming; some not too bad and some very bad for the democrats. Y'all shouldn't have taken the word of Vindman. He is the one who got y'all going. When he said the president demanded the Ukraine president to investigate the Biden's in exchange for military aid, you jumped on that like a fly on honey. Y'all even made public statements about it before you'd even seen the whistle blowers complaint. And how could those statements have been made if y'all weren't parroting Vindman????? Of course, it was Schiff who took Vindman at his word and sent this think into a tizzy! Poor, i***tic Schiff. Such h**e!!!!

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

You keep reciting the prescribed tale from the orange orifice..

trump went to get dirt, he cares nothing about anything else.. to say otherwise is to be his errand boy..

In this nation we need evidence or meaningful information. trump had none so he tried to put pressure on Ukraine to announce an investigation.. he did not really care if any investigation took place, he only wanted the public announcement so he could use in his tent shows..

go ahead, get an investigation going on Biden... but do it by laws of this nation..

In the current time, the orange albatross will keep dashing around looking for distractions and getting you, his cult member to parrot the things he tell you to say while disregarding any and all t***h..

But once more, this impeaching stuff is following expectations.. Impeached but not removed.. we should have the senate v**e in secret.... then result could be different..

Much more depressing event is the Mideast conditions now that we only value the oil wells, that was always the case but at least we made the talking points.. now russia controlls the show.. and we have lost the leadership we once had..


is that what you really like best of his "accomplishments"??

As for all that "coming" just what the heck do you think is coming,, you right wingers have been making that pledge for decades... yet the only ones locked up have been trumps side kicks and close yes men...

ralax, soon will be turkey day and we should all find what we are thankful for because we have very much of that, even in this age of orange..

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

ANY honest person would have seen the poetntial for corruption and criminal ongoings when they saw Biden boasting about getting Shokin fired by threatening to withhold billions in secured funds, especially when nting that the company being investigated was Burisma and Biden's son is on the board of directors making some $83,000/month with scant experience in oil and gas. If you don't see potential corruption there then you are being dishonest. The very first instant I saw that was, what is Joe doing for Burisma/Ukraine that warrants such money laundering to him through his some H****r?

That is an overwhelming set of circumstances which screams investigate.

Apparently Trump and Rhudy saw it and knowing they could not trust the FBI and also taking into account that it is an international issue, they decided to have Rudy go about interviewing/investigating/digging and trying to get a handle on what the relationship is. He gave his information to the Ukraine gov and they have since filed a criminal complaint against Biden and Burisma. They call it a suspicion, but it is the same thing.