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Nov 23, 2019 11:41:35   #
ziggy88 Loc: quincy illinois 62301
 
Is the Mutinous US Navy Trying to Provoke WW III Without Trump's Approval?
Submitted by Dave Hodges on Saturday, November 23, 2019
Researched by Pastor Gary Boyd

The USS Gabrielle Giffords (LCS-10), an Independence-class littoral combat ship, sailed within 12 nautical miles of a militarized island in the South China Sea which is owned and operated by China.
Subsequently, the USS Wayne E. Meyer, a guided-missile destroyer, sailed through the Paracel islands in the South China Sea as well.

China is furious! They have threatened the US that a "misunderstanding" or a "mishap" could occur if the US insists that the South China Sea is violated by the US.

The Chinese are clearly out to lunch. Anything more than 3 miles off the coast of any land mass is international waters. Therefore, the Chinese claim is in grievous error. However, China is willing to go to war over this issue and directly threatened the United States this week. What is the story? Why is China so willing to go to war when they are clearly wrong. But also, why is the US Navy continuing to poke China and seemingly trying to provoke war?

The irresistible force meets the immovable object.

The New and Emboldened China

China's economy, no matter how many times they try to restructure it is failing. The Chinese government faces disenfranchised opposition from extremely poor peasants living in the outlying provinces. To add salt to the wounds, the Chinese was purposely left out of a monumental trade agreement, the T***s-Pacific Partnership (TPP). Trump k**led the TPP because it was deemed to be the beginning of a corporate dictatorship in America. But China has a long memory and they are going to continue to disrupt trade in the region, in their backyard because they have not forgotten the slight. Subsequently, Chinese foreign policy is guided by these two principles:

Disrupt all South China Sea trade so no nation gains an economic advantage over China.
Isolate Taiwan geographically and militarily. Closing down the South China Sea moves China in the direction of accomplishing this kind of action. The short-term goal is to economically diminish Taiwan. The final goal is the take-over of Taiwan.

China is increasingly aggressive, almost to the point of forming a quasi-naval blockade in and around the disputed territories which are a point of disagreement between China, her neighbors and the United States. In fact, China's actions within the last few days are clearly indicative of a nation determined to defend its claims. It is critical to keep in mind that every dispute in the region, for China, begins and ends with Taiwan and Taiwan lies just north of the disputed area. These unfolding events in the South China Sea is also about the unfolding of the new Chinese hegemony, or, the establishment of the most recent flavor of the New World Order. The g*******t want this division because they want World War three and China is the best way to achieve this goal.

US Trade Sanctions and World War III

If the US does not release the sanctions against China, which are devastatingly effective, the Chinese are demonstrating an increasing desire to go to war.

This war will not just be fought in the South China Sea. China will shut down the Panama Canal. China has been positioning to take over the southern part of Africa and will cut off shipping around the southern tip of the African continent. Further, when the US engages China in the South China sea, all those Chinese soldiers that supposedly do not exist in Mexico and the United States, will come out once and for all and attack the United States along with the drug cartels that they control as well as several c*******t nations in Central and South America (eg Argentina). Yes, this would be the commencement of a Red Dawn invasion against the United States. And the Chinese would have an important ally. Namely, the United Nations.

This is a war the United States cannot win. President Trump is also facing a Navy that is in a state of mutiny against the President. They are conducting joint war games with the Chinese! This is insane and Trump has ordered this stopped, but the Navy is ignoring the order.


Additionally, it is the belief of many that the Navy's provoking China with the recent incidents in the South China Sea is the Navy's own dealing, not Trump's plan. Is the Navy deliberately trying to provoke WW III without Trump's approval? It would seem so.


This news came in on the Hal Turner Show November 20!

There has been "An Incident" in the South China Sea -- UPDATE 11:17 PM EST: RADIATION DETECTED!!!!
WORLD NEWS DESK 20 NOVEMBER 2019

Oceanographic instruments monitoring the South China Sea have reportedly registered a significant undersea EXPLOSION.

Details are sketchy, but military sources are saying an explosion took place at a depth of approximately 50 Meters, which caused an underwater shock wave of such sudden presence, and of such strength, that the explosion itself "had to be between 10 and 20 Kilotons." Those sources (military) also say explicitly "An earthquake has been ruled out."

United States submarines routinely operate in that area of the world's oceans.
If an explosion of that magnitude took place, it could reek havoc with the submarine(s) and their instruments; perhaps forcing them to leave an area, or perhaps put into port for re-calibration or repairs.
There is nothing in the area of the South China Sea which, on its own, can account for such a possible event.

Details remain very sketchy at this hour, but tune-in to the Hal Turner Show tonight on WBCQ (7.490 or 5.130 AM) or WRMI (9.455 AM) or KYAH 540-AM "Utah's Talk Authority" for the latest details. You can also tune-in here on the net using the LISTEN ONLINE button in the menu bar above. (Those internet links do not go active until about an hour before the show starts, and stream commercial-free music until the show begins at 9:00 PM eastern US time (GMT -0500)

UPDATE 11:17 PM EST --
Radiation is now being detected at shore monitoring points around the South China Sea!
According to this from the URADMonitor Global Environmental Monitoring Network, "significant" radiation readings are now registering on their radiation monitors.

Did China detonate a small, tactical, nuclear device to send a warning to the United States over the US Senate and US House approving the Hong Kong Democracy Act, which China views as an "assault" upon China's internal affairs?

Has China had enough of US "freedom of navigation" exercises in the South China Sea?

Is China feeling the sting of economic downturn from its Trade War with the USA, and are they "upping-the-ante" signaling actual war? Comments please…….



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Nov 23, 2019 11:45:51   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
ziggy88 wrote:
Is the Mutinous US Navy Trying to Provoke WW III Without Trump's Approval?
Submitted by Dave Hodges on Saturday, November 23, 2019
Researched by Pastor Gary Boyd

The USS Gabrielle Giffords (LCS-10), an Independence-class littoral combat ship, sailed within 12 nautical miles of a militarized island in the South China Sea which is owned and operated by China.
Subsequently, the USS Wayne E. Meyer, a guided-missile destroyer, sailed through the Paracel islands in the South China Sea as well.

China is furious! They have threatened the US that a "misunderstanding" or a "mishap" could occur if the US insists that the South China Sea is violated by the US.

The Chinese are clearly out to lunch. Anything more than 3 miles off the coast of any land mass is international waters. Therefore, the Chinese claim is in grievous error. However, China is willing to go to war over this issue and directly threatened the United States this week. What is the story? Why is China so willing to go to war when they are clearly wrong. But also, why is the US Navy continuing to poke China and seemingly trying to provoke war?

The irresistible force meets the immovable object.

The New and Emboldened China

China's economy, no matter how many times they try to restructure it is failing. The Chinese government faces disenfranchised opposition from extremely poor peasants living in the outlying provinces. To add salt to the wounds, the Chinese was purposely left out of a monumental trade agreement, the T***s-Pacific Partnership (TPP). Trump k**led the TPP because it was deemed to be the beginning of a corporate dictatorship in America. But China has a long memory and they are going to continue to disrupt trade in the region, in their backyard because they have not forgotten the slight. Subsequently, Chinese foreign policy is guided by these two principles:

Disrupt all South China Sea trade so no nation gains an economic advantage over China.
Isolate Taiwan geographically and militarily. Closing down the South China Sea moves China in the direction of accomplishing this kind of action. The short-term goal is to economically diminish Taiwan. The final goal is the take-over of Taiwan.

China is increasingly aggressive, almost to the point of forming a quasi-naval blockade in and around the disputed territories which are a point of disagreement between China, her neighbors and the United States. In fact, China's actions within the last few days are clearly indicative of a nation determined to defend its claims. It is critical to keep in mind that every dispute in the region, for China, begins and ends with Taiwan and Taiwan lies just north of the disputed area. These unfolding events in the South China Sea is also about the unfolding of the new Chinese hegemony, or, the establishment of the most recent flavor of the New World Order. The g*******t want this division because they want World War three and China is the best way to achieve this goal.

US Trade Sanctions and World War III

If the US does not release the sanctions against China, which are devastatingly effective, the Chinese are demonstrating an increasing desire to go to war.

This war will not just be fought in the South China Sea. China will shut down the Panama Canal. China has been positioning to take over the southern part of Africa and will cut off shipping around the southern tip of the African continent. Further, when the US engages China in the South China sea, all those Chinese soldiers that supposedly do not exist in Mexico and the United States, will come out once and for all and attack the United States along with the drug cartels that they control as well as several c*******t nations in Central and South America (eg Argentina). Yes, this would be the commencement of a Red Dawn invasion against the United States. And the Chinese would have an important ally. Namely, the United Nations.

This is a war the United States cannot win. President Trump is also facing a Navy that is in a state of mutiny against the President. They are conducting joint war games with the Chinese! This is insane and Trump has ordered this stopped, but the Navy is ignoring the order.


Additionally, it is the belief of many that the Navy's provoking China with the recent incidents in the South China Sea is the Navy's own dealing, not Trump's plan. Is the Navy deliberately trying to provoke WW III without Trump's approval? It would seem so.


This news came in on the Hal Turner Show November 20!

There has been "An Incident" in the South China Sea -- UPDATE 11:17 PM EST: RADIATION DETECTED!!!!
WORLD NEWS DESK 20 NOVEMBER 2019

Oceanographic instruments monitoring the South China Sea have reportedly registered a significant undersea EXPLOSION.

Details are sketchy, but military sources are saying an explosion took place at a depth of approximately 50 Meters, which caused an underwater shock wave of such sudden presence, and of such strength, that the explosion itself "had to be between 10 and 20 Kilotons." Those sources (military) also say explicitly "An earthquake has been ruled out."

United States submarines routinely operate in that area of the world's oceans.
If an explosion of that magnitude took place, it could reek havoc with the submarine(s) and their instruments; perhaps forcing them to leave an area, or perhaps put into port for re-calibration or repairs.
There is nothing in the area of the South China Sea which, on its own, can account for such a possible event.

Details remain very sketchy at this hour, but tune-in to the Hal Turner Show tonight on WBCQ (7.490 or 5.130 AM) or WRMI (9.455 AM) or KYAH 540-AM "Utah's Talk Authority" for the latest details. You can also tune-in here on the net using the LISTEN ONLINE button in the menu bar above. (Those internet links do not go active until about an hour before the show starts, and stream commercial-free music until the show begins at 9:00 PM eastern US time (GMT -0500)

UPDATE 11:17 PM EST --
Radiation is now being detected at shore monitoring points around the South China Sea!
According to this from the URADMonitor Global Environmental Monitoring Network, "significant" radiation readings are now registering on their radiation monitors.

Did China detonate a small, tactical, nuclear device to send a warning to the United States over the US Senate and US House approving the Hong Kong Democracy Act, which China views as an "assault" upon China's internal affairs?

Has China had enough of US "freedom of navigation" exercises in the South China Sea?

Is China feeling the sting of economic downturn from its Trade War with the USA, and are they "upping-the-ante" signaling actual war? Comments please…….
Is the Mutinous US Navy Trying to Provoke WW III W... (show quote)


Flexing their muscles and probably have something to hide

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Nov 23, 2019 11:53:49   #
Kevyn
 
ziggy88 wrote:
Is the Mutinous US Navy Trying to Provoke WW III Without Trump's Approval?
Submitted by Dave Hodges on Saturday, November 23, 2019
Researched by Pastor Gary Boyd

The USS Gabrielle Giffords (LCS-10), an Independence-class littoral combat ship, sailed within 12 nautical miles of a militarized island in the South China Sea which is owned and operated by China.
Subsequently, the USS Wayne E. Meyer, a guided-missile destroyer, sailed through the Paracel islands in the South China Sea as well.

China is furious! They have threatened the US that a "misunderstanding" or a "mishap" could occur if the US insists that the South China Sea is violated by the US.

The Chinese are clearly out to lunch. Anything more than 3 miles off the coast of any land mass is international waters. Therefore, the Chinese claim is in grievous error. However, China is willing to go to war over this issue and directly threatened the United States this week. What is the story? Why is China so willing to go to war when they are clearly wrong. But also, why is the US Navy continuing to poke China and seemingly trying to provoke war?

The irresistible force meets the immovable object.

The New and Emboldened China

China's economy, no matter how many times they try to restructure it is failing. The Chinese government faces disenfranchised opposition from extremely poor peasants living in the outlying provinces. To add salt to the wounds, the Chinese was purposely left out of a monumental trade agreement, the T***s-Pacific Partnership (TPP). Trump k**led the TPP because it was deemed to be the beginning of a corporate dictatorship in America. But China has a long memory and they are going to continue to disrupt trade in the region, in their backyard because they have not forgotten the slight. Subsequently, Chinese foreign policy is guided by these two principles:

Disrupt all South China Sea trade so no nation gains an economic advantage over China.
Isolate Taiwan geographically and militarily. Closing down the South China Sea moves China in the direction of accomplishing this kind of action. The short-term goal is to economically diminish Taiwan. The final goal is the take-over of Taiwan.

China is increasingly aggressive, almost to the point of forming a quasi-naval blockade in and around the disputed territories which are a point of disagreement between China, her neighbors and the United States. In fact, China's actions within the last few days are clearly indicative of a nation determined to defend its claims. It is critical to keep in mind that every dispute in the region, for China, begins and ends with Taiwan and Taiwan lies just north of the disputed area. These unfolding events in the South China Sea is also about the unfolding of the new Chinese hegemony, or, the establishment of the most recent flavor of the New World Order. The g*******t want this division because they want World War three and China is the best way to achieve this goal.

US Trade Sanctions and World War III

If the US does not release the sanctions against China, which are devastatingly effective, the Chinese are demonstrating an increasing desire to go to war.

This war will not just be fought in the South China Sea. China will shut down the Panama Canal. China has been positioning to take over the southern part of Africa and will cut off shipping around the southern tip of the African continent. Further, when the US engages China in the South China sea, all those Chinese soldiers that supposedly do not exist in Mexico and the United States, will come out once and for all and attack the United States along with the drug cartels that they control as well as several c*******t nations in Central and South America (eg Argentina). Yes, this would be the commencement of a Red Dawn invasion against the United States. And the Chinese would have an important ally. Namely, the United Nations.

This is a war the United States cannot win. President Trump is also facing a Navy that is in a state of mutiny against the President. They are conducting joint war games with the Chinese! This is insane and Trump has ordered this stopped, but the Navy is ignoring the order.


Additionally, it is the belief of many that the Navy's provoking China with the recent incidents in the South China Sea is the Navy's own dealing, not Trump's plan. Is the Navy deliberately trying to provoke WW III without Trump's approval? It would seem so.


This news came in on the Hal Turner Show November 20!

There has been "An Incident" in the South China Sea -- UPDATE 11:17 PM EST: RADIATION DETECTED!!!!
WORLD NEWS DESK 20 NOVEMBER 2019

Oceanographic instruments monitoring the South China Sea have reportedly registered a significant undersea EXPLOSION.

Details are sketchy, but military sources are saying an explosion took place at a depth of approximately 50 Meters, which caused an underwater shock wave of such sudden presence, and of such strength, that the explosion itself "had to be between 10 and 20 Kilotons." Those sources (military) also say explicitly "An earthquake has been ruled out."

United States submarines routinely operate in that area of the world's oceans.
If an explosion of that magnitude took place, it could reek havoc with the submarine(s) and their instruments; perhaps forcing them to leave an area, or perhaps put into port for re-calibration or repairs.
There is nothing in the area of the South China Sea which, on its own, can account for such a possible event.

Details remain very sketchy at this hour, but tune-in to the Hal Turner Show tonight on WBCQ (7.490 or 5.130 AM) or WRMI (9.455 AM) or KYAH 540-AM "Utah's Talk Authority" for the latest details. You can also tune-in here on the net using the LISTEN ONLINE button in the menu bar above. (Those internet links do not go active until about an hour before the show starts, and stream commercial-free music until the show begins at 9:00 PM eastern US time (GMT -0500)

UPDATE 11:17 PM EST --
Radiation is now being detected at shore monitoring points around the South China Sea!
According to this from the URADMonitor Global Environmental Monitoring Network, "significant" radiation readings are now registering on their radiation monitors.

Did China detonate a small, tactical, nuclear device to send a warning to the United States over the US Senate and US House approving the Hong Kong Democracy Act, which China views as an "assault" upon China's internal affairs?

Has China had enough of US "freedom of navigation" exercises in the South China Sea?

Is China feeling the sting of economic downturn from its Trade War with the USA, and are they "upping-the-ante" signaling actual war? Comments please…….
Is the Mutinous US Navy Trying to Provoke WW III W... (show quote)

Here is your source for this garbage, one of the places tin foil hat wearing right wing nutters go when Alex Jones is not crazy enough.

Hal Turner
Born Harold Charles Turner

Harold Charles "Hal" Turner (born March 15, 1962) is an American far-right political commentator from North Bergen, New Jersey.
Turner's viewpoints typically encompass Holocaust denial, conspiracy theory, w***e s*******y, and have included calls for assassination of government officials. In August 2010, he was convicted for making threats against three federal judges with the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, for which he spent two years in prison.
Turner has sporadically hosted The Hal Turner Show, usually on shortwave radio station WBCQ, since 2002, as well as a corresponding blog, which has changed URLs frequently and has spread h**xes and f**e news.

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Nov 23, 2019 12:17:15   #
SinnieK
 
Kevyn wrote:
Here is your source for this garbage, one of the places tin foil hat wearing right wing nutters go when Alex Jones is not crazy enough.

Hal Turner
Born Harold Charles Turner

Harold Charles "Hal" Turner (born March 15, 1962) is an American far-right political commentator from North Bergen, New Jersey.
Turner's viewpoints typically encompass Holocaust denial, conspiracy theory, w***e s*******y, and have included calls for assassination of government officials. In August 2010, he was convicted for making threats against three federal judges with the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, for which he spent two years in prison.
Turner has sporadically hosted The Hal Turner Show, usually on shortwave radio station WBCQ, since 2002, as well as a corresponding blog, which has changed URLs frequently and has spread h**xes and f**e news.
Here is your source for this garbage, one of the p... (show quote)


I wouldn't reject any conspiracy right off hands because I learned that 90+% of the conspiracy turn out to be true.

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Nov 23, 2019 12:29:16   #
son of witless
 
ziggy88 wrote:
Is the Mutinous US Navy Trying to Provoke WW III Without Trump's Approval?
Submitted by Dave Hodges on Saturday, November 23, 2019
Researched by Pastor Gary Boyd

The USS Gabrielle Giffords (LCS-10), an Independence-class littoral combat ship, sailed within 12 nautical miles of a militarized island in the South China Sea which is owned and operated by China.
Subsequently, the USS Wayne E. Meyer, a guided-missile destroyer, sailed through the Paracel islands in the South China Sea as well.

China is furious! They have threatened the US that a "misunderstanding" or a "mishap" could occur if the US insists that the South China Sea is violated by the US.

The Chinese are clearly out to lunch. Anything more than 3 miles off the coast of any land mass is international waters. Therefore, the Chinese claim is in grievous error. However, China is willing to go to war over this issue and directly threatened the United States this week. What is the story? Why is China so willing to go to war when they are clearly wrong. But also, why is the US Navy continuing to poke China and seemingly trying to provoke war?

The irresistible force meets the immovable object.

The New and Emboldened China

China's economy, no matter how many times they try to restructure it is failing. The Chinese government faces disenfranchised opposition from extremely poor peasants living in the outlying provinces. To add salt to the wounds, the Chinese was purposely left out of a monumental trade agreement, the T***s-Pacific Partnership (TPP). Trump k**led the TPP because it was deemed to be the beginning of a corporate dictatorship in America. But China has a long memory and they are going to continue to disrupt trade in the region, in their backyard because they have not forgotten the slight. Subsequently, Chinese foreign policy is guided by these two principles:

Disrupt all South China Sea trade so no nation gains an economic advantage over China.
Isolate Taiwan geographically and militarily. Closing down the South China Sea moves China in the direction of accomplishing this kind of action. The short-term goal is to economically diminish Taiwan. The final goal is the take-over of Taiwan.

China is increasingly aggressive, almost to the point of forming a quasi-naval blockade in and around the disputed territories which are a point of disagreement between China, her neighbors and the United States. In fact, China's actions within the last few days are clearly indicative of a nation determined to defend its claims. It is critical to keep in mind that every dispute in the region, for China, begins and ends with Taiwan and Taiwan lies just north of the disputed area. These unfolding events in the South China Sea is also about the unfolding of the new Chinese hegemony, or, the establishment of the most recent flavor of the New World Order. The g*******t want this division because they want World War three and China is the best way to achieve this goal.

US Trade Sanctions and World War III

If the US does not release the sanctions against China, which are devastatingly effective, the Chinese are demonstrating an increasing desire to go to war.

This war will not just be fought in the South China Sea. China will shut down the Panama Canal. China has been positioning to take over the southern part of Africa and will cut off shipping around the southern tip of the African continent. Further, when the US engages China in the South China sea, all those Chinese soldiers that supposedly do not exist in Mexico and the United States, will come out once and for all and attack the United States along with the drug cartels that they control as well as several c*******t nations in Central and South America (eg Argentina). Yes, this would be the commencement of a Red Dawn invasion against the United States. And the Chinese would have an important ally. Namely, the United Nations.

This is a war the United States cannot win. President Trump is also facing a Navy that is in a state of mutiny against the President. They are conducting joint war games with the Chinese! This is insane and Trump has ordered this stopped, but the Navy is ignoring the order.


Additionally, it is the belief of many that the Navy's provoking China with the recent incidents in the South China Sea is the Navy's own dealing, not Trump's plan. Is the Navy deliberately trying to provoke WW III without Trump's approval? It would seem so.


This news came in on the Hal Turner Show November 20!

There has been "An Incident" in the South China Sea -- UPDATE 11:17 PM EST: RADIATION DETECTED!!!!
WORLD NEWS DESK 20 NOVEMBER 2019

Oceanographic instruments monitoring the South China Sea have reportedly registered a significant undersea EXPLOSION.

Details are sketchy, but military sources are saying an explosion took place at a depth of approximately 50 Meters, which caused an underwater shock wave of such sudden presence, and of such strength, that the explosion itself "had to be between 10 and 20 Kilotons." Those sources (military) also say explicitly "An earthquake has been ruled out."

United States submarines routinely operate in that area of the world's oceans.
If an explosion of that magnitude took place, it could reek havoc with the submarine(s) and their instruments; perhaps forcing them to leave an area, or perhaps put into port for re-calibration or repairs.
There is nothing in the area of the South China Sea which, on its own, can account for such a possible event.

Details remain very sketchy at this hour, but tune-in to the Hal Turner Show tonight on WBCQ (7.490 or 5.130 AM) or WRMI (9.455 AM) or KYAH 540-AM "Utah's Talk Authority" for the latest details. You can also tune-in here on the net using the LISTEN ONLINE button in the menu bar above. (Those internet links do not go active until about an hour before the show starts, and stream commercial-free music until the show begins at 9:00 PM eastern US time (GMT -0500)

UPDATE 11:17 PM EST --
Radiation is now being detected at shore monitoring points around the South China Sea!
According to this from the URADMonitor Global Environmental Monitoring Network, "significant" radiation readings are now registering on their radiation monitors.

Did China detonate a small, tactical, nuclear device to send a warning to the United States over the US Senate and US House approving the Hong Kong Democracy Act, which China views as an "assault" upon China's internal affairs?

Has China had enough of US "freedom of navigation" exercises in the South China Sea?

Is China feeling the sting of economic downturn from its Trade War with the USA, and are they "upping-the-ante" signaling actual war? Comments please…….
Is the Mutinous US Navy Trying to Provoke WW III W... (show quote)


The Navy is in mutiny ?

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Nov 23, 2019 13:03:12   #
eden
 
SinnieK wrote:
I wouldn't reject any conspiracy right off hands because I learned that 90+% of the conspiracy turn out to be true.


This is drivel but dispensing it makes this person feel noticed and important and the poster of this article is a willing and gullible enabler.

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Nov 23, 2019 14:57:39   #
emarine
 
eden wrote:
This is drivel but dispensing it makes this person feel noticed and important and the poster of this article is a willing and gullible enabler.





My thoughts exactly... Go Navy...

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Nov 23, 2019 17:57:59   #
SinnieK
 
eden wrote:
This is drivel but dispensing it makes this person feel noticed and important and the poster of this article is a willing and gullible enabler.


One reminder that most top Generals in the Pentagon prone to be with the Military Industrial Complex so having war is a great thing for them; the bigger the enemy the better for the bank accounts.

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Nov 23, 2019 18:05:59   #
woodguru
 
SinnieK wrote:
I wouldn't reject any conspiracy right off hands because I learned that 90+% of the conspiracy turn out to be true.

The interesting ones are those the right keeps on running with even though really detailed reporting is done that sets the record straight.

Burisma is the new B******i, people use the word and it carries a whole mostly false narrative than a deeper search into the facts reveal. Those who have researched exactly what was involved with an issue will never be able to talk about it with those who know just the surface rhetoric.

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Nov 23, 2019 18:41:37   #
SinnieK
 
woodguru wrote:
The interesting ones are those the right keeps on running with even though really detailed reporting is done that sets the record straight.

Burisma is the new B******i, people use the word and it carries a whole mostly false narrative than a deeper search into the facts reveal. Those who have researched exactly what was involved with an issue will never be able to talk about it with those who know just the surface rhetoric.


Maybe in this country the MSM didn't want to talk about it but rather cover it up but it is wide open in Ukraine. Go to this link to find out.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-indictment-reveals-h****r-biden-group-made-165-million-mp?fbclid=IwAR3fVNu_Bg8iJK3e67GJS87-mduUw2igOo1DPejfByPV6TJGrl1JwODzwuc

Ukrainian Indictment Claims $7.4 Billion Obama-Linked Laundering, Puts Biden Group Take At $16.5 Million

An indictment drawn up by Ukraine's Office of the Prosecutor General against Burisma owner Nikolai Zlochevsky claims that H****r B***n and his partners received $16.5 million for their 'services' - according to Ukrainian MP Alexander Dubinsky of the ruling Servant of the People Party.

Dubinsky made the claim in a Wednesday press conference, citing materials from an investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma.

"Zlochevsky was charged with this new accusation by the Office of the Prosecutor General but the press ignored it," said the MP. "It was issued on November 14."

"The son of Vice-President Joe Biden was receiving payment for his services, with money raised through criminal means and money laundering," he then said, adding "Biden received money that did not come from the company’s successful operation but rather from money stolen from citizens."

According to Dubinsky, H****r B***n's income from Burisma is a "link that reveals how money is siphoned [from Ukraine]," and how Biden is just one link in the chain of Zlochevsky's money laundering operation which included politicians from the previous Yanukovich administration who continued their schemes under his successor, President Pyotr Poroshenko.

"We will reveal the information about the financial pyramid scheme that was created in Ukraine and developed by everyone beginning with Yanukovich and later by Poroshenko. This system is still working under the guidance of the current managerial board of the National Bank, ensuring that money flows in the interest of people who stole millions of dollars, took it offshore and bought Ukrainian public bonds turning them into the Ukrainian sovereign debt," said Dubinsky, adding that "in both cases of Yanukovich and Poroshenko, Ms. Gontareva and companies she controls were investing the stolen funds."

Franklin Templeton named

According to Interfax-Ukraine, MP Andriy Derkach announced at the same press conference that deputies have received new materials from investigative journalists alleging that the 'family' of ex-President Yanukovych funneled $7.4 billion through American investment firm Franklin Templeton Investments, which they claim have connections to the US Democratic party."

"Last week, November 14, the Prosecutor General's Office (PGO), unnoticed by the media, announced a new suspicion to the notorious owner of Burisma, ex-Ecology Minister Zlochevsky. According to the suspicion, the Yanukovych family is suspected, in particular, with legalizing (laundering) of criminally obtained income through Franklin Templeton Investments, an investment fund carrying out purchases of external government loan bonds totaling $7.4 billion," said Derkach, adding that the money was criminally obtained and invested in the purchase of Ukrainian debt in 2013 - 2014.

"The son of Templeton's founder, John Templeton Jr., was one of President Obama's major campaign donors. Another fund-related character is Thomas Donilon. Managing Director of BlackRock Investment Institute, shareholder Franklin Templeton Investments, which has the largest share in the fund. It is noteworthy that he previously was Obama's national security advisor," Derkach added.

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Nov 24, 2019 05:44:34   #
Tug484
 
SinnieK wrote:
Maybe in this country the MSM didn't want to talk about it but rather cover it up but it is wide open in Ukraine. Go to this link to find out.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-indictment-reveals-h****r-biden-group-made-165-million-mp?fbclid=IwAR3fVNu_Bg8iJK3e67GJS87-mduUw2igOo1DPejfByPV6TJGrl1JwODzwuc

Ukrainian Indictment Claims $7.4 Billion Obama-Linked Laundering, Puts Biden Group Take At $16.5 Million

An indictment drawn up by Ukraine's Office of the Prosecutor General against Burisma owner Nikolai Zlochevsky claims that H****r B***n and his partners received $16.5 million for their 'services' - according to Ukrainian MP Alexander Dubinsky of the ruling Servant of the People Party.

Dubinsky made the claim in a Wednesday press conference, citing materials from an investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma.

"Zlochevsky was charged with this new accusation by the Office of the Prosecutor General but the press ignored it," said the MP. "It was issued on November 14."

"The son of Vice-President Joe Biden was receiving payment for his services, with money raised through criminal means and money laundering," he then said, adding "Biden received money that did not come from the company’s successful operation but rather from money stolen from citizens."

According to Dubinsky, H****r B***n's income from Burisma is a "link that reveals how money is siphoned [from Ukraine]," and how Biden is just one link in the chain of Zlochevsky's money laundering operation which included politicians from the previous Yanukovich administration who continued their schemes under his successor, President Pyotr Poroshenko.

"We will reveal the information about the financial pyramid scheme that was created in Ukraine and developed by everyone beginning with Yanukovich and later by Poroshenko. This system is still working under the guidance of the current managerial board of the National Bank, ensuring that money flows in the interest of people who stole millions of dollars, took it offshore and bought Ukrainian public bonds turning them into the Ukrainian sovereign debt," said Dubinsky, adding that "in both cases of Yanukovich and Poroshenko, Ms. Gontareva and companies she controls were investing the stolen funds."

Franklin Templeton named

According to Interfax-Ukraine, MP Andriy Derkach announced at the same press conference that deputies have received new materials from investigative journalists alleging that the 'family' of ex-President Yanukovych funneled $7.4 billion through American investment firm Franklin Templeton Investments, which they claim have connections to the US Democratic party."

"Last week, November 14, the Prosecutor General's Office (PGO), unnoticed by the media, announced a new suspicion to the notorious owner of Burisma, ex-Ecology Minister Zlochevsky. According to the suspicion, the Yanukovych family is suspected, in particular, with legalizing (laundering) of criminally obtained income through Franklin Templeton Investments, an investment fund carrying out purchases of external government loan bonds totaling $7.4 billion," said Derkach, adding that the money was criminally obtained and invested in the purchase of Ukrainian debt in 2013 - 2014.

"The son of Templeton's founder, John Templeton Jr., was one of President Obama's major campaign donors. Another fund-related character is Thomas Donilon. Managing Director of BlackRock Investment Institute, shareholder Franklin Templeton Investments, which has the largest share in the fund. It is noteworthy that he previously was Obama's national security advisor," Derkach added.
Maybe in this country the MSM didn't want to talk ... (show quote)

Schiff is tied into the 7.4 million.

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Nov 24, 2019 08:21:41   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
SinnieK wrote:
Maybe in this country the MSM didn't want to talk about it but rather cover it up but it is wide open in Ukraine. Go to this link to find out.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-indictment-reveals-h****r-biden-group-made-165-million-mp?fbclid=IwAR3fVNu_Bg8iJK3e67GJS87-mduUw2igOo1DPejfByPV6TJGrl1JwODzwuc

Ukrainian Indictment Claims $7.4 Billion Obama-Linked Laundering, Puts Biden Group Take At $16.5 Million

An indictment drawn up by Ukraine's Office of the Prosecutor General against Burisma owner Nikolai Zlochevsky claims that H****r B***n and his partners received $16.5 million for their 'services' - according to Ukrainian MP Alexander Dubinsky of the ruling Servant of the People Party.

Dubinsky made the claim in a Wednesday press conference, citing materials from an investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma.

"Zlochevsky was charged with this new accusation by the Office of the Prosecutor General but the press ignored it," said the MP. "It was issued on November 14."

"The son of Vice-President Joe Biden was receiving payment for his services, with money raised through criminal means and money laundering," he then said, adding "Biden received money that did not come from the company’s successful operation but rather from money stolen from citizens."

According to Dubinsky, H****r B***n's income from Burisma is a "link that reveals how money is siphoned [from Ukraine]," and how Biden is just one link in the chain of Zlochevsky's money laundering operation which included politicians from the previous Yanukovich administration who continued their schemes under his successor, President Pyotr Poroshenko.

"We will reveal the information about the financial pyramid scheme that was created in Ukraine and developed by everyone beginning with Yanukovich and later by Poroshenko. This system is still working under the guidance of the current managerial board of the National Bank, ensuring that money flows in the interest of people who stole millions of dollars, took it offshore and bought Ukrainian public bonds turning them into the Ukrainian sovereign debt," said Dubinsky, adding that "in both cases of Yanukovich and Poroshenko, Ms. Gontareva and companies she controls were investing the stolen funds."

Franklin Templeton named

According to Interfax-Ukraine, MP Andriy Derkach announced at the same press conference that deputies have received new materials from investigative journalists alleging that the 'family' of ex-President Yanukovych funneled $7.4 billion through American investment firm Franklin Templeton Investments, which they claim have connections to the US Democratic party."

"Last week, November 14, the Prosecutor General's Office (PGO), unnoticed by the media, announced a new suspicion to the notorious owner of Burisma, ex-Ecology Minister Zlochevsky. According to the suspicion, the Yanukovych family is suspected, in particular, with legalizing (laundering) of criminally obtained income through Franklin Templeton Investments, an investment fund carrying out purchases of external government loan bonds totaling $7.4 billion," said Derkach, adding that the money was criminally obtained and invested in the purchase of Ukrainian debt in 2013 - 2014.

"The son of Templeton's founder, John Templeton Jr., was one of President Obama's major campaign donors. Another fund-related character is Thomas Donilon. Managing Director of BlackRock Investment Institute, shareholder Franklin Templeton Investments, which has the largest share in the fund. It is noteworthy that he previously was Obama's national security advisor," Derkach added.
Maybe in this country the MSM didn't want to talk ... (show quote)

yawn f**e news one more year of Dummy Trump

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Nov 24, 2019 17:35:08   #
okie don
 
Ukraine swamp needs cleaning.

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Nov 24, 2019 17:44:27   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
SinnieK wrote:
I wouldn't reject any conspiracy right off hands because I learned that 90+% of the conspiracy turn out to be true.


I wouldn't reject it because it probably is f**e news but the Chinese HAVE invaded Arizona. And they are making the south china sea deeper than charts say it is, submarines?

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Nov 24, 2019 17:51:31   #
emarine
 
Submarines that's kind of funny.. how much dredging do you think they're going to do to the south China sea Islands that surround Taiwan is another issue

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