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Nov 15, 2019 11:38:32   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Just had a mass stabbing this week in China... Fool jumped the armored fence... Avoided security guards... Stabbed five children before he was stopped... Young fellow... Only nineteen... Mixed up... Will get the death penalty...

Funny how China isn't banning knives...

No talk of it either...

A lot of focus on how to better protect our children and help those with mental issues...



good, I also like to see issues dealt with quickly.. no joke..

Stabbing people, kids especially, is horrible to my mind...

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Nov 15, 2019 11:44:25   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
permafrost wrote:
good, I also like to see issues dealt with quickly.. no joke..

Stabbing people, kids especially, is horrible to my mind...


Mental health has become a major issue in China...

No partisan politics.. (only one party )..

Lots of pressure to provide results

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Nov 15, 2019 11:54:08   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
greenmountaineer wrote:
I seriously doubt that he got any instructions from NRA. NRA is being demonized, and their current leadership is not of the best, having let themselves get painted into a corner. It isn't the same outfit it was when folks like Charleton Heston , Julian Hatcher etc were it's public face. NRA, like the ACLU, spends a lot of its resources on protecting a key part of the Bill of Rights. It also develops firearm safety courses, writes textbooks for those course, trains instructors to teach those courses, and may well be a major factor in the steady decrease in crime that you can find if you go onto the FBI Uniform Crime Reports.

We have had semi automatic firearms sinced the Winchester Self Loader came on the market in 1909. We have had semi autos with 30 round mags, since the M1 carbine was declared obsolete and released to the public through the DCM program about 1967. We did not have these tragic mass shootings. So there must be some other factor at work. If you go online and search "mass k*****gs/drugs" you can find a great deal of evidence linking these horrible events to some rare side effects of certain,widely prescribed anti-depressant drugs. These drugs are also linked to the high rate of veteran suicides. While the drugs are very useful and help many folks with PTSD live better lives, they do have these rare side effects. When I asked my state rep about these drugs, he admitted that 'big pharma' "donates" far more money to legislators than NRA ever dreamed of. And this from a guy who has never seen a bill that violates article 16 of Vermont's Constitution that he didn't love and help sponsor! Are the pharmaceutical corporations pushing these drugs as they did with opiods? Should they be closely regulated? I don't know the answers to this, but it a goldmine for conspiracy theorists. "They" (whoever 'they' might be) couldn't scare us into giving up the 2nd amendment with "saturday Night specials" or "cop k**ler bullets" as such things didn't exist. But maybe they can scare us with mass shootings 'cause these things really happen, possibly because of these drugs. It's a lot easier to rule unarmed subjects than to lead armed citizens.
I seriously doubt that he got any instructions fro... (show quote)



You speak much t***h.... as some say..

I think the mass shootings did start long ago but are much more frequent now.. for many reasons probably..

the first I think was the Texas tower shooting.. when was that?

also, while not a shooting, the k*****g of all those nurses in Chicago was some time ago also..

when I belonged to the NRA, it was very different, now it is mostly a political hammer..

channeling money from Russia to the trump political group, they must have a lot of clout on the orange albatross.. and use it.. clearly..

Yes, lose of our 2nd amendment rights would be a disaster.. although I think that fighting the government is far beyond a night dream.. never last an hour..



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Nov 15, 2019 11:55:10   #
maureenthannon
 
Airforceone, You think that it's "R****m" to put b****s and Hispanics back to work? And you think that it's good for our children and country for only criminals to have guns? The most recent school shooting was in Californi, the state with the strictest gun control laws. Ever notice, most gun crimes occur where there are strict gun control laws. Strict gun control laws actually help criminals. Criminals know that the citizens and businesses in theseareas don't have weapons, and so, can't protect themselves from criminals.
The criminals have guns because they don't obey the laws, they're criminals!

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Nov 15, 2019 11:56:29   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Mental health has become a major issue in China...

No partisan politics.. (only one party )..

Lots of pressure to provide results




In America, we concluded back in the 80s that a pill could cure anything.. shut down treatment centers, cut the money..

welcome to the wonderful world of Chemistry..


I bet that single party thing speeds thing up... not in favor of it in anyway..

Meds are a huge help with mental illness episodes, but far from the total answer..

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Nov 15, 2019 13:13:15   #
Hug
 
Airforceone wrote:
It’s with great sadness that I watch another High School shooting. And it’s with absolute h**e for the R****t Degenerate Trump Party and the Republicans in Congress that the only option is to do nothing as we sit and watch another sad day in America.

It makes me sick that you say Trump is making America great I say BS you people are a bunch of d********g pieces of garbage when you can sit back and do absolutely nothing, you block any kind of legislation that just might minimize the Murdering of children in school.

We as adults are suppose to protect our children and this Republican Party just want to adhere to the NRA who donate millions of dollars to the GOP. When the hell does all this stop.

(WHAT THE HELL KIND OF COUNTRY DO YOU PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN WHERE WE CANNOT PROTECT OUR CHILDREN)

Another sad day for this country and it hurts when I see this kind of stuff it hurts real bad. (BUT TRUMPS R****T DEGENERATE PARTY COULD CARE LESS) I just can’t imagine how I would feel if it was one of my kids. But the way most of you Trump r****t degenerate party members think is let’s send out thoughts and prayers except more money from the NRA and ignore any kind gun control.

But I guess it’s wait a couple of weeks do nothing and those thoughts and prayers mean nothing. (DO SOMETHING DOING NOTHING IS NOT AN OPTION) (STOP BLOCKING LEGISLATION, STOP PROTECTING A BUNCH OF AH THAT SIT ON THE BOARD OF THE NRA)

It hurts me to see this while the r****t degenerate Trump supporters just sit back and except it.

(WE ARE SUPPOSE TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN NOT FILL THE POCKETS OF THE GUN MANUFACTURES, AND FILL THE GOP POCKETS WITH MILLIONS)

GOP agenda protect the wishes of the NRA to maintain power in Congress while our children get k**led in a classroom.
It’s with great sadness that I watch another High ... (show quote)

As soon as you C*******t get the guns, you will be shooting folks.

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Nov 15, 2019 13:23:42   #
Hug
 
[quote=Airforceone]It’s with great sadness that I watch another High School shooting. And it’s with absolute h**e for the R****t Degenerate Trump Party and the Republicans in Congress that the only option is to do nothing as we sit and watch another sad day in America.

It makes me sick that you say Trump is making America great I say BS you people are a bunch of d********g pieces of garbage when you can sit back and do absolutely nothing, you block any kind of legislation that just might minimize the Murdering of children in school.

We as adults are suppose to protect our children and this Republican Party just want to adhere to the NRA who donate millions of dollars to the GOP. When the hell does all this stop.

(WHAT THE HELL KIND OF COUNTRY DO YOU PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN WHERE WE CANNOT PROTECT OUR CHILDREN)

Another sad day for this country and it hurts when I see this kind of stuff it hurts real bad. (BUT TRUMPS R****T DEGENERATE PARTY COULD CARE LESS) I just can’t imagine how I would feel if it was one of my kids. But the way most of you Trump r****t degenerate party members think is let’s send out thoughts and prayers except more money from the NRA and ignore any kind gun control.

But I guess it’s wait a couple of weeks do nothing and those thoughts and prayers mean nothing. (DO SOMETHING DOING NOTHING IS NOT AN OPTION) (STOP BLOCKING LEGISLATION, STOP PROTECTING A BUNCH OF AH THAT SIT ON THE BOARD OF THE NRA)

It hurts me to see this while the r****t degenerate Trump supporters just sit back and except it.

(WE ARE SUPPOSE TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN NOT FILL THE POCKETS OF THE GUN MANUFACTURES, AND FILL THE GOP POCKETS WITH MILLIONS)

GOP agenda protect the wishes of the NRA to maintain power in Congress while our children get k**led in a classroom.[/quote
Airforceone, you C*******t want the guns so you can shoot anyone who doesn't want to be a C*******t and you will not have to worry about anyone shooting back.

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Nov 15, 2019 14:13:42   #
Gatsby
 
Airforceone wrote:
It’s with great sadness that I watch another High School shooting. And it’s with absolute h**e for the R****t Degenerate Trump Party and the Republicans in Congress that the only option is to do nothing as we sit and watch another sad day in America.

It makes me sick that you say Trump is making America great I say BS you people are a bunch of d********g pieces of garbage when you can sit back and do absolutely nothing, you block any kind of legislation that just might minimize the Murdering of children in school.

We as adults are suppose to protect our children and this Republican Party just want to adhere to the NRA who donate millions of dollars to the GOP. When the hell does all this stop.

(WHAT THE HELL KIND OF COUNTRY DO YOU PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN WHERE WE CANNOT PROTECT OUR CHILDREN)

Another sad day for this country and it hurts when I see this kind of stuff it hurts real bad. (BUT TRUMPS R****T DEGENERATE PARTY COULD CARE LESS) I just can’t imagine how I would feel if it was one of my kids. But the way most of you Trump r****t degenerate party members think is let’s send out thoughts and prayers except more money from the NRA and ignore any kind gun control.

But I guess it’s wait a couple of weeks do nothing and those thoughts and prayers mean nothing. (DO SOMETHING DOING NOTHING IS NOT AN OPTION) (STOP BLOCKING LEGISLATION, STOP PROTECTING A BUNCH OF AH THAT SIT ON THE BOARD OF THE NRA)

It hurts me to see this while the r****t degenerate Trump supporters just sit back and except it.

(WE ARE SUPPOSE TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN NOT FILL THE POCKETS OF THE GUN MANUFACTURES, AND FILL THE GOP POCKETS WITH MILLIONS)

GOP agenda protect the wishes of the NRA to maintain power in Congress while our children get k**led in a classroom.
It’s with great sadness that I watch another High ... (show quote)


What Law would have prevented that shooting?

You clearly imply that it was preventable, yet you have not idea, not a clue, do you?

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Nov 15, 2019 14:21:02   #
Cherokee38 Loc: Atlanta
 
you think gun control laws would stop the k*****g of students? Based on that reasoning all we need to do to eliminate drugs is to pass laws making them illegal. How's that going? The problem is not guns, it's the evil in some people's minds. How do you change that? We started this country based on religious freedom and God was involved in most of what we did. Little by little we have removed God from our daily lives and evil has moved in! Put God back into our daily living with prayer back into school day opening, pledge to f**g and what it means each day. It will take some time but it will change. Do your part to instill standards and principles into your children this is the only way to change things.

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Nov 15, 2019 14:57:10   #
Cherokee38 Loc: Atlanta
 
Based on your logic all we need to do to eliminate drugs is to pass laws making them illegal and they go away. Hows that working for you? The problem is not guns but the evil in some peoples minds. What can we do about that? This country was founded on religious standards and principles. Little by little we have removed God from our daily lives and evil has moved in in the form of personal greed, pleasure and personal desires. We have left alot of the standards we grew up with and this is the result. Put God back into our daily lives. Put daily prayer back into classroom along with pledge of allegiance and what it means. Keep Islam out of schools and take more personal responsibility to teach your children standards and principles. It will take time but it will change what is happening. Look for the real problem and how to fix rather than trying to find a quick solution.

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Nov 15, 2019 15:00:34   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Airforceone wrote:
It’s with great sadness that I watch another High School shooting. And it’s with absolute h**e for the R****t Degenerate Trump Party and the Republicans in Congress that the only option is to do nothing as we sit and watch another sad day in America.

It makes me sick that you say Trump is making America great I say BS you people are a bunch of d********g pieces of garbage when you can sit back and do absolutely nothing, you block any kind of legislation that just might minimize the Murdering of children in school.

We as adults are suppose to protect our children and this Republican Party just want to adhere to the NRA who donate millions of dollars to the GOP. When the hell does all this stop.

(WHAT THE HELL KIND OF COUNTRY DO YOU PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN WHERE WE CANNOT PROTECT OUR CHILDREN)

Another sad day for this country and it hurts when I see this kind of stuff it hurts real bad. (BUT TRUMPS R****T DEGENERATE PARTY COULD CARE LESS) I just can’t imagine how I would feel if it was one of my kids. But the way most of you Trump r****t degenerate party members think is let’s send out thoughts and prayers except more money from the NRA and ignore any kind gun control.

But I guess it’s wait a couple of weeks do nothing and those thoughts and prayers mean nothing. (DO SOMETHING DOING NOTHING IS NOT AN OPTION) (STOP BLOCKING LEGISLATION, STOP PROTECTING A BUNCH OF AH THAT SIT ON THE BOARD OF THE NRA)

It hurts me to see this while the r****t degenerate Trump supporters just sit back and except it.

(WE ARE SUPPOSE TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN NOT FILL THE POCKETS OF THE GUN MANUFACTURES, AND FILL THE GOP POCKETS WITH MILLIONS)

GOP agenda protect the wishes of the NRA to maintain power in Congress while our children get k**led in a classroom.
It’s with great sadness that I watch another High ... (show quote)


AF1 - In this particular case, it's hard to pin the blame on the NRA or their Republican supporters. The offender used a .45 caliber hand gun which is not on the list of weapons typically targeted by gun-control advocates.

But I think it's worth noting that the number of victims in this incident is five. Two were k**led and three were injured. After that the assailant turned the gun on himself and spent the last bullet.

So I think this incident is still a case for gun-control because it proves that a gun that is not targeted by gun-control advocates has a lower k**l limit. Compare this to some of the other shootings that happened this year using weapons with greater k**l capacity, like Odessa (8 k**led, 25 injured), El Paso (22 k**led, 24 injured), Dayton (10 k**led, 27 injured)

I don't want to marginalize the victims of this latest incident but in the grand scheme of things, had the assailant used a military-grade weapon, a LOT more kids would probably have lost their lives.

And here is the point that I will make for the millionth time... There is virtually zero political support for banning all guns. Gun-control advocates are trying to find a compromise between our right to bear arms and the best level of safety that can be expected given that right. In other words, freedom is dangerous but it doesn't have to be insane.

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Nov 15, 2019 15:13:52   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
Airforceone wrote:
It’s with great sadness that I watch another High School shooting. And it’s with absolute h**e for the R****t Degenerate Trump Party and the Republicans in Congress that the only option is to do nothing as we sit and watch another sad day in America.

It makes me sick that you say Trump is making America great I say BS you people are a bunch of d********g pieces of garbage when you can sit back and do absolutely nothing, you block any kind of legislation that just might minimize the Murdering of children in school.

We as adults are suppose to protect our children and this Republican Party just want to adhere to the NRA who donate millions of dollars to the GOP. When the hell does all this stop.

(WHAT THE HELL KIND OF COUNTRY DO YOU PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN WHERE WE CANNOT PROTECT OUR CHILDREN)

Another sad day for this country and it hurts when I see this kind of stuff it hurts real bad. (BUT TRUMPS R****T DEGENERATE PARTY COULD CARE LESS) I just can’t imagine how I would feel if it was one of my kids. But the way most of you Trump r****t degenerate party members think is let’s send out thoughts and prayers except more money from the NRA and ignore any kind gun control.

But I guess it’s wait a couple of weeks do nothing and those thoughts and prayers mean nothing. (DO SOMETHING DOING NOTHING IS NOT AN OPTION) (STOP BLOCKING LEGISLATION, STOP PROTECTING A BUNCH OF AH THAT SIT ON THE BOARD OF THE NRA)

It hurts me to see this while the r****t degenerate Trump supporters just sit back and except it.

(WE ARE SUPPOSE TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN NOT FILL THE POCKETS OF THE GUN MANUFACTURES, AND FILL THE GOP POCKETS WITH MILLIONS)

GOP agenda protect the wishes of the NRA to maintain power in Congress while our children get k**led in a classroom.
It’s with great sadness that I watch another High ... (show quote)


When God gets kicked out.
Who the #$$@ do you think moves in???
You blind fools will never look at your own consequences.

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Nov 15, 2019 15:25:49   #
agatemaggot Loc: waterloo iowa
 
Obviously the nut job didn't have a second clip for the pistola ! First take the semi-autos then work your way down the list, RIGHT ?
I have a better idea, lets put armed security guarding the students, the Dems won't go along with that but won't blink an eye at security at a ball game !

Why is that ?

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Nov 15, 2019 15:26:40   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Airforceone wrote:
It’s with great sadness that I watch another High School shooting. And it’s with absolute h**e for the R****t Degenerate Trump Party and the Republicans in Congress that the only option is to do nothing as we sit and watch another sad day in America.

It makes me sick that you say Trump is making America great I say BS you people are a bunch of d********g pieces of garbage when you can sit back and do absolutely nothing, you block any kind of legislation that just might minimize the Murdering of children in school.

We as adults are suppose to protect our children and this Republican Party just want to adhere to the NRA who donate millions of dollars to the GOP. When the hell does all this stop.

(WHAT THE HELL KIND OF COUNTRY DO YOU PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN WHERE WE CANNOT PROTECT OUR CHILDREN)

Another sad day for this country and it hurts when I see this kind of stuff it hurts real bad. (BUT TRUMPS R****T DEGENERATE PARTY COULD CARE LESS) I just can’t imagine how I would feel if it was one of my kids. But the way most of you Trump r****t degenerate party members think is let’s send out thoughts and prayers except more money from the NRA and ignore any kind gun control.

But I guess it’s wait a couple of weeks do nothing and those thoughts and prayers mean nothing. (DO SOMETHING DOING NOTHING IS NOT AN OPTION) (STOP BLOCKING LEGISLATION, STOP PROTECTING A BUNCH OF AH THAT SIT ON THE BOARD OF THE NRA)

It hurts me to see this while the r****t degenerate Trump supporters just sit back and except it.

(WE ARE SUPPOSE TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN NOT FILL THE POCKETS OF THE GUN MANUFACTURES, AND FILL THE GOP POCKETS WITH MILLIONS)

GOP agenda protect the wishes of the NRA to maintain power in Congress while our children get k**led in a classroom.
It’s with great sadness that I watch another High ... (show quote)


Of all the things I thought about you i***t wasn't one until now. For one thing, place the blame where it belongs with the shooter. Next look into past mass shootings, they have a convenient common thread. Does the left have plans to k**l off 90% of the living population? Yes. See the El Paso shooting to be specific the interview of the woman who saw 4 men dressed in black (a****a? so maybe you have the wrong party).

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Nov 15, 2019 16:24:39   #
greenmountaineer Loc: Vermont
 
Sonny Magoo wrote:
When God gets kicked out.
Who the #$$@ do you think moves in???
You blind fools will never look at your own consequences.


God got kicked out , where? If you think god was in public schools at some time, my experience leads me to believe that this is not so. During the great depression my folks went where the work was and we used to move a lot. 2nd grade was the worst. It took me two years, three states and six schools to get through 2nd grade. Three different high schools. I think I have a pretty good idea of what was going on in public schools in the 1930's and I never saw prayers or God in public schools. Teachers were too busy taking attendance, collecting milk money and selling war stamps and trying to get through the lesson plans to have time to say prayers. Years later when I taught chemistry, I know there were prayers in class, especially before I gave tests. Those prayers were addressed to Christian, Bhuddist, or Muslim diesties, and maybe some others But I didn't lead them.

There is some evidence that at least some of these tragic shootings are linked to the use of certain anti-depressant drugs. Go online and search "mass shootings/drugs." The same drugs are also linked to the high rate of suicides among veterans.

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