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About Devin Nune's testimony
Nov 14, 2019 08:11:34   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/devin-nunes-statement-impeachment-ukraine-testimony.html

To the extent Donald Trump has reordered the power structure of the Republican Party, Devin Nunes has emerged as the main beneficiary of the era. Nunes has coordinated an intricate counter-narrative in Trump’s defense, one that presents Trump as a wholly innocent figure preyed upon by a vast conspiracy of deep state bureaucrats operating throughout the government and using the national media to further their agenda. Nunes’s often hysterical theories have gained increasing prominence in the conservative media, many of whose members operate as his passive conduits.

As the state-of-the-art Trumpist of the party’s congressional wing, Nunes’s opening statement reveals the best case they have been able to muster for his defense. As a matter of substance, it is almost nonexistent.

Nunes’s statement is a pastiche of hoary fulminations against the enemies of the president. It begins with an extensive recap of the “Russia h**x,” which, even if Nunes’s account was wholly accurate, is totally irrelevant to Trump’s culpability in the Ukraine scandal. Nunes proceeds to denounce the process of witness depositions (“a closed-door audition process in a cultlike atmosphere in the basement of the Capitol” — a ludicrous description of hearings in which both parties participated).

Here is one small example of the fever-dream quality of Nunes’s remarks: In one passage, Nunes claims the whistle-blower’s lawyer “touted a ‘c**p’ against the president and called for his impeachment just weeks after his e******n.”

If true, this fact would be completely irrelevant. Who cares if the whistle-blower hired a lawyer who h**es Trump? What would it even matter if the whistle-blower himself was a hardened c*******t, since the whistle-blower’s entire role was to bring to Congress’s attention a series of facts that have been independently confirmed? In any case, Nunes’s weird diversion is not even true. The lawyer, Mark Zaid, was denouncing the firing of Sally Yates as a c**p by Trump, not calling for a c**p.

The context of Zaid’s comment is made clear by the text he appends to his comment. House Republicans lopped off the bottom part and displayed it in the hearing room, to make it appear as if he were advocating a c**p rather than denouncing one.

The “c**p” accusation may be the silliest of Nunes’s charges, but it is characteristic of his opening statement, which is dev**ed to hurling wild charges at various opponents — bureaucrats conspiring against Trump, Democrats eager to undermine him, alleged corruption by the Biden family.

Nunes’s substantive engagement was confined to a few anemic bullet points tacked onto the end of his testimony:
• After expressing skepticism of foreign aid and concern about foreign corruption on the campaign trail, President Trump outraged the bureaucracy by acting skeptically about foreign aid and expressing concerns about foreign corruption.
• Officials’ alarm at the president’s actions was typically based on secondhand, thirdhand, and even fourth-hand rumors and innuendo.
• They believed it was an outrage for President Trump to fire an ambassador, even though the president has full authority to retain or remove diplomats for any reason at any time.
• Officials showed a surprising lack of interest in the indications of Ukrainian e******n meddling that deeply concerned the president, at whose pleasure they serve.
• Despite all their dissatisfaction with President Trump’s Ukraine policy, the president approved the supply of weapons to Ukraine, unlike the previous administration, which provided blankets as defense against invading Russians.

These defenses can be dispatched almost immediately:
• Trump is just skeptical of foreign aid? Well, too bad, Congress passed it. That doesn’t enable him to use it is a bargaining chip to order up investigations of his rivals.
• He was concerned about corruption? An obvious lie, as he evidenced zero concern about any “corruption” that wasn’t simply code for his political opponents, and had indeed undermined reform in Ukraine and facilitated new corruption.
• Alarm was based on secondhand rumors? Ridiculous — officials had firsthand exposure to Trump’s extortion policy for months, recording their objections contemporaneously in texts and notes.
• Trump “approved the supply of weapons”? Well, yeah, after the whistle-blower report he tried to suppress prompted a congressional investigation and his scheme was exposed.

What does Nunes’s statement tell us? It shows the evidence that Trump used American diplomatic leverage to pressure Ukraine to open investigations of his domestic opponents is so redundant that there is no denying it. The party’s only response is to polarize the issue by dissolving it into a cultural struggle between Trump and his enemies.

In his questioning, Nunes made the most astonishing possible claim. “I think one of the mothers of all conspiracy theories,” he said, “is that somehow the president of the United States would want a country he doesn’t even like, doesn’t want to give foreign aid to, to have the Ukrainians start an investigation into Bidens.”

A conspiracy theory? Trump not only suggested this in his phone call with Zelensky, he said it on the White House lawn:
REPORTER: What exactly did you hope the Ukrainian president would do about the Bidens?

TRUMP: I would think that if they were honest about it, they’d start a major investigation … they should investigate the Bidens.

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Nov 14, 2019 08:25:50   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
slatten49 wrote:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/devin-nunes-statement-impeachment-ukraine-testimony.html

To the extent Donald Trump has reordered the power structure of the Republican Party, Devin Nunes has emerged as the main beneficiary of the era. Nunes has coordinated an intricate counter-narrative in Trump’s defense, one that presents Trump as a wholly innocent figure preyed upon by a vast conspiracy of deep state bureaucrats operating throughout the government and using the national media to further their agenda. Nunes’s often hysterical theories have gained increasing prominence in the conservative media, many of whose members operate as his passive conduits.

As the state-of-the-art Trumpist of the party’s congressional wing, Nunes’s opening statement reveals the best case they have been able to muster for his defense. As a matter of substance, it is almost nonexistent.

Nunes’s statement is a pastiche of hoary fulminations against the enemies of the president. It begins with an extensive recap of the “Russia h**x,” which, even if Nunes’s account was wholly accurate, is totally irrelevant to Trump’s culpability in the Ukraine scandal. Nunes proceeds to denounce the process of witness depositions (“a closed-door audition process in a cultlike atmosphere in the basement of the Capitol” — a ludicrous description of hearings in which both parties participated).

Here is one small example of the fever-dream quality of Nunes’s remarks: In one passage, Nunes claims the whistle-blower’s lawyer “touted a ‘c**p’ against the president and called for his impeachment just weeks after his e******n.”

If true, this fact would be completely irrelevant. Who cares if the whistle-blower hired a lawyer who h**es Trump? What would it even matter if the whistle-blower himself was a hardened c*******t, since the whistle-blower’s entire role was to bring to Congress’s attention a series of facts that have been independently confirmed? In any case, Nunes’s weird diversion is not even true. The lawyer, Mark Zaid, was denouncing the firing of Sally Yates as a c**p by Trump, not calling for a c**p.

The context of Zaid’s comment is made clear by the text he appends to his comment. House Republicans lopped off the bottom part and displayed it in the hearing room, to make it appear as if he were advocating a c**p rather than denouncing one.

The “c**p” accusation may be the silliest of Nunes’s charges, but it is characteristic of his opening statement, which is dev**ed to hurling wild charges at various opponents — bureaucrats conspiring against Trump, Democrats eager to undermine him, alleged corruption by the Biden family.

Nunes’s substantive engagement was confined to a few anemic bullet points tacked onto the end of his testimony:
• After expressing skepticism of foreign aid and concern about foreign corruption on the campaign trail, President Trump outraged the bureaucracy by acting skeptically about foreign aid and expressing concerns about foreign corruption.
• Officials’ alarm at the president’s actions was typically based on secondhand, thirdhand, and even fourth-hand rumors and innuendo.
• They believed it was an outrage for President Trump to fire an ambassador, even though the president has full authority to retain or remove diplomats for any reason at any time.
• Officials showed a surprising lack of interest in the indications of Ukrainian e******n meddling that deeply concerned the president, at whose pleasure they serve.
• Despite all their dissatisfaction with President Trump’s Ukraine policy, the president approved the supply of weapons to Ukraine, unlike the previous administration, which provided blankets as defense against invading Russians.

These defenses can be dispatched almost immediately:
• Trump is just skeptical of foreign aid? Well, too bad, Congress passed it. That doesn’t enable him to use it is a bargaining chip to order up investigations of his rivals.
• He was concerned about corruption? An obvious lie, as he evidenced zero concern about any “corruption” that wasn’t simply code for his political opponents, and had indeed undermined reform in Ukraine and facilitated new corruption.
• Alarm was based on secondhand rumors? Ridiculous — officials had firsthand exposure to Trump’s extortion policy for months, recording their objections contemporaneously in texts and notes.
• Trump “approved the supply of weapons”? Well, yeah, after the whistle-blower report he tried to suppress prompted a congressional investigation and his scheme was exposed.

What does Nunes’s statement tell us? It shows the evidence that Trump used American diplomatic leverage to pressure Ukraine to open investigations of his domestic opponents is so redundant that there is no denying it. The party’s only response is to polarize the issue by dissolving it into a cultural struggle between Trump and his enemies.

In his questioning, Nunes made the most astonishing possible claim. “I think one of the mothers of all conspiracy theories,” he said, “is that somehow the president of the United States would want a country he doesn’t even like, doesn’t want to give foreign aid to, to have the Ukrainians start an investigation into Bidens.”

A conspiracy theory? Trump not only suggested this in his phone call with Zelensky, he said it on the White House lawn:
REPORTER: What exactly did you hope the Ukrainian president would do about the Bidens?

TRUMP: I would think that if they were honest about it, they’d start a major investigation … they should investigate the Bidens.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/devin-nunes... (show quote)


An interesting breakdown...

Thanks...

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Nov 14, 2019 08:29:54   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
slatten49 wrote:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/devin-nunes-statement-impeachment-ukraine-testimony.html

To the extent Donald Trump has reordered the power structure of the Republican Party, Devin Nunes has emerged as the main beneficiary of the era. Nunes has coordinated an intricate counter-narrative in Trump’s defense, one that presents Trump as a wholly innocent figure preyed upon by a vast conspiracy of deep state bureaucrats operating throughout the government and using the national media to further their agenda. Nunes’s often hysterical theories have gained increasing prominence in the conservative media, many of whose members operate as his passive conduits.

As the state-of-the-art Trumpist of the party’s congressional wing, Nunes’s opening statement reveals the best case they have been able to muster for his defense. As a matter of substance, it is almost nonexistent.

Nunes’s statement is a pastiche of hoary fulminations against the enemies of the president. It begins with an extensive recap of the “Russia h**x,” which, even if Nunes’s account was wholly accurate, is totally irrelevant to Trump’s culpability in the Ukraine scandal. Nunes proceeds to denounce the process of witness depositions (“a closed-door audition process in a cultlike atmosphere in the basement of the Capitol” — a ludicrous description of hearings in which both parties participated).

Here is one small example of the fever-dream quality of Nunes’s remarks: In one passage, Nunes claims the whistle-blower’s lawyer “touted a ‘c**p’ against the president and called for his impeachment just weeks after his e******n.”

If true, this fact would be completely irrelevant. Who cares if the whistle-blower hired a lawyer who h**es Trump? What would it even matter if the whistle-blower himself was a hardened c*******t, since the whistle-blower’s entire role was to bring to Congress’s attention a series of facts that have been independently confirmed? In any case, Nunes’s weird diversion is not even true. The lawyer, Mark Zaid, was denouncing the firing of Sally Yates as a c**p by Trump, not calling for a c**p.

The context of Zaid’s comment is made clear by the text he appends to his comment. House Republicans lopped off the bottom part and displayed it in the hearing room, to make it appear as if he were advocating a c**p rather than denouncing one.

The “c**p” accusation may be the silliest of Nunes’s charges, but it is characteristic of his opening statement, which is dev**ed to hurling wild charges at various opponents — bureaucrats conspiring against Trump, Democrats eager to undermine him, alleged corruption by the Biden family.

Nunes’s substantive engagement was confined to a few anemic bullet points tacked onto the end of his testimony:
• After expressing skepticism of foreign aid and concern about foreign corruption on the campaign trail, President Trump outraged the bureaucracy by acting skeptically about foreign aid and expressing concerns about foreign corruption.
• Officials’ alarm at the president’s actions was typically based on secondhand, thirdhand, and even fourth-hand rumors and innuendo.
• They believed it was an outrage for President Trump to fire an ambassador, even though the president has full authority to retain or remove diplomats for any reason at any time.
• Officials showed a surprising lack of interest in the indications of Ukrainian e******n meddling that deeply concerned the president, at whose pleasure they serve.
• Despite all their dissatisfaction with President Trump’s Ukraine policy, the president approved the supply of weapons to Ukraine, unlike the previous administration, which provided blankets as defense against invading Russians.

These defenses can be dispatched almost immediately:
• Trump is just skeptical of foreign aid? Well, too bad, Congress passed it. That doesn’t enable him to use it is a bargaining chip to order up investigations of his rivals.
• He was concerned about corruption? An obvious lie, as he evidenced zero concern about any “corruption” that wasn’t simply code for his political opponents, and had indeed undermined reform in Ukraine and facilitated new corruption.
• Alarm was based on secondhand rumors? Ridiculous — officials had firsthand exposure to Trump’s extortion policy for months, recording their objections contemporaneously in texts and notes.
• Trump “approved the supply of weapons”? Well, yeah, after the whistle-blower report he tried to suppress prompted a congressional investigation and his scheme was exposed.

What does Nunes’s statement tell us? It shows the evidence that Trump used American diplomatic leverage to pressure Ukraine to open investigations of his domestic opponents is so redundant that there is no denying it. The party’s only response is to polarize the issue by dissolving it into a cultural struggle between Trump and his enemies.

In his questioning, Nunes made the most astonishing possible claim. “I think one of the mothers of all conspiracy theories,” he said, “is that somehow the president of the United States would want a country he doesn’t even like, doesn’t want to give foreign aid to, to have the Ukrainians start an investigation into Bidens.”

A conspiracy theory? Trump not only suggested this in his phone call with Zelensky, he said it on the White House lawn:
REPORTER: What exactly did you hope the Ukrainian president would do about the Bidens?

TRUMP: I would think that if they were honest about it, they’d start a major investigation … they should investigate the Bidens.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/devin-nunes... (show quote)


We also know that the theory of Ukrainian interference in the 2016 e******n and the Biden corruption angle, didn't come through US Intelligence services, it came from a former Nunes staffer who now works for Trump. Anyone else see a connection here?

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Nov 14, 2019 09:50:13   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
lpnmajor wrote:
We also know that the theory of Ukrainian interference in the 2016 e******n and the Biden corruption angle, didn't come through US Intelligence services, it came from a former Nunes staffer who now works for Trump. Anyone else see a connection here?

Isn't it amazing how neither side admits to having bootlickers.

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Nov 14, 2019 10:21:24   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
slatten49 wrote:
Isn't it amazing how neither side admits to having bootlickers.


But both like to brag about their shiny boots

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Nov 14, 2019 10:23:45   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
But both like to brag about their shiny boots

True 'nuf

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Nov 14, 2019 10:26:14   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
slatten49 wrote:
True 'nuf


"Shiny boots in the Swamp"

Sounds like a good ballad

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Nov 14, 2019 10:31:35   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
"Shiny boots in the Swamp"

Sounds like a good ballad

How 'bout 'These Boots Are Made For Squawking' (To the tune of 'These Boots Are Made For Walking)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww

Sycophantic squawking, of course.

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Nov 14, 2019 10:58:49   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
slatten49 wrote:
How 'bout 'These Boots Are Made For Squawking' (To the tune of 'These Boots Are Made For Walking)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww

Sycophantic squawking, of course.


Cool song...

The more I think about it the more I think most folk in politics just need one good boot from the v**ers

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Nov 14, 2019 11:05:24   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Cool song...

The more I think about it the more I think most folk in politics just need one good boot from the v**ers

Nancy Sinatra's 'These Boots Are Made For Walking' was a huge hit my senior year in high school.

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Nov 15, 2019 08:00:20   #
greenmountaineer Loc: Vermont
 
slatten49 wrote:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/devin-nunes-statement-impeachment-ukraine-testimony.html

To the extent Donald Trump has reordered the power structure of the Republican Party, Devin Nunes has emerged as the main beneficiary of the era. Nunes has coordinated an intricate counter-narrative in Trump’s defense, one that presents Trump as a wholly innocent figure preyed upon by a vast conspiracy of deep state bureaucrats operating throughout the government and using the national media to further their agenda. Nunes’s often hysterical theories have gained increasing prominence in the conservative media, many of whose members operate as his passive conduits.

As the state-of-the-art Trumpist of the party’s congressional wing, Nunes’s opening statement reveals the best case they have been able to muster for his defense. As a matter of substance, it is almost nonexistent.

Nunes’s statement is a pastiche of hoary fulminations against the enemies of the president. It begins with an extensive recap of the “Russia h**x,” which, even if Nunes’s account was wholly accurate, is totally irrelevant to Trump’s culpability in the Ukraine scandal. Nunes proceeds to denounce the process of witness depositions (“a closed-door audition process in a cultlike atmosphere in the basement of the Capitol” — a ludicrous description of hearings in which both parties participated).

Here is one small example of the fever-dream quality of Nunes’s remarks: In one passage, Nunes claims the whistle-blower’s lawyer “touted a ‘c**p’ against the president and called for his impeachment just weeks after his e******n.”

If true, this fact would be completely irrelevant. Who cares if the whistle-blower hired a lawyer who h**es Trump? What would it even matter if the whistle-blower himself was a hardened c*******t, since the whistle-blower’s entire role was to bring to Congress’s attention a series of facts that have been independently confirmed? In any case, Nunes’s weird diversion is not even true. The lawyer, Mark Zaid, was denouncing the firing of Sally Yates as a c**p by Trump, not calling for a c**p.

The context of Zaid’s comment is made clear by the text he appends to his comment. House Republicans lopped off the bottom part and displayed it in the hearing room, to make it appear as if he were advocating a c**p rather than denouncing one.

The “c**p” accusation may be the silliest of Nunes’s charges, but it is characteristic of his opening statement, which is dev**ed to hurling wild charges at various opponents — bureaucrats conspiring against Trump, Democrats eager to undermine him, alleged corruption by the Biden family.

Nunes’s substantive engagement was confined to a few anemic bullet points tacked onto the end of his testimony:
• After expressing skepticism of foreign aid and concern about foreign corruption on the campaign trail, President Trump outraged the bureaucracy by acting skeptically about foreign aid and expressing concerns about foreign corruption.
• Officials’ alarm at the president’s actions was typically based on secondhand, thirdhand, and even fourth-hand rumors and innuendo.
• They believed it was an outrage for President Trump to fire an ambassador, even though the president has full authority to retain or remove diplomats for any reason at any time.
• Officials showed a surprising lack of interest in the indications of Ukrainian e******n meddling that deeply concerned the president, at whose pleasure they serve.
• Despite all their dissatisfaction with President Trump’s Ukraine policy, the president approved the supply of weapons to Ukraine, unlike the previous administration, which provided blankets as defense against invading Russians.

These defenses can be dispatched almost immediately:
• Trump is just skeptical of foreign aid? Well, too bad, Congress passed it. That doesn’t enable him to use it is a bargaining chip to order up investigations of his rivals.
• He was concerned about corruption? An obvious lie, as he evidenced zero concern about any “corruption” that wasn’t simply code for his political opponents, and had indeed undermined reform in Ukraine and facilitated new corruption.
• Alarm was based on secondhand rumors? Ridiculous — officials had firsthand exposure to Trump’s extortion policy for months, recording their objections contemporaneously in texts and notes.
• Trump “approved the supply of weapons”? Well, yeah, after the whistle-blower report he tried to suppress prompted a congressional investigation and his scheme was exposed.

What does Nunes’s statement tell us? It shows the evidence that Trump used American diplomatic leverage to pressure Ukraine to open investigations of his domestic opponents is so redundant that there is no denying it. The party’s only response is to polarize the issue by dissolving it into a cultural struggle between Trump and his enemies.

In his questioning, Nunes made the most astonishing possible claim. “I think one of the mothers of all conspiracy theories,” he said, “is that somehow the president of the United States would want a country he doesn’t even like, doesn’t want to give foreign aid to, to have the Ukrainians start an investigation into Bidens.”

A conspiracy theory? Trump not only suggested this in his phone call with Zelensky, he said it on the White House lawn:
REPORTER: What exactly did you hope the Ukrainian president would do about the Bidens?

TRUMP: I would think that if they were honest about it, they’d start a major investigation … they should investigate the Bidens.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/devin-nunes... (show quote)


An outstanding summary. When this sugars off, the modern Republican party is going to be exposed as a party of corruption and treason.

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Nov 15, 2019 17:07:14   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
greenmountaineer wrote:
An outstanding summary. When this sugars off, the modern Republican party is going to be exposed as a party of corruption and treason.


I don't know about treason, but corruption definitely for both parties. The left is definitely into s******n, that's not even a question. Corruption of the right (the left does this too) hush fund for sexual "favors," a Senate barbershop, borrowing" from medicare and SS. Things like that.

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Nov 15, 2019 17:32:25   #
greenmountaineer Loc: Vermont
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
I don't know about treason, but corruption definitely for both parties. The left is definitely into s******n, that's not even a question. Corruption of the right (the left does this too) hush fund for sexual "favors," a Senate barbershop, borrowing" from medicare and SS. Things like that.


Yup. I've looked and looked through that silly old 18th century document called the Constitution of the United States, and I can't find anything that gives any authority to these two private organizations to tell us who we can v**e for or to stay in power and take bribes to v**e for stuff that their constituents don't want. Here in Vermont, a certain New York billionaire has been trying to buy our legislature for the past few years. Political parties should have term limits. At the end of 30 years they should cease to exist and all their members should be retired, never to serve in any elected office again. I know it won't happen but I can dream can't I?

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Nov 16, 2019 14:15:04   #
okie don
 
slatten49 wrote:
How 'bout 'These Boots Are Made For Squawking' (To the tune of 'These Boots Are Made For Walking)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww

Sycophantic squawking, of course.


Always wondered what happened to Nancy Sinatra. Never hear anything about her!

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