dongreen76 wrote:
Pretty proud Incurry,I think you don't have a clue as to what the Ukraine situation is about,neither does or did Trump. Your stipulation as to what Trump is doing is merely his defense for being ignorant of the matter of how to be president and not knowing any better than to bribe or extort a foreign entity into helping him to dethrone his adversaries- then make up an excuse like- he is worried of corruption in the Ukraine.. of course the Ukraine had corruption just as the other recently ex - Soviet Empire newly formed governments.because they are still getting off the ground.When the Soviet Union failed in 91, Russia had rampant inflation and corruption galore,every Tom ,Dick, and Harry Q, politician flocked there to exploit the situation. He didn't consider the ramifications of what something such as that could lead to.A foreign entity investigating a major political figure such as Biden may become privy to all sorts of classified information they should not be privy to.Your support of him is merely a manifestation of the gullability and naivety of the female.
If you had a clue about the Ukrainian situation or what is going on there you wouldn't have excepted Trump's alibi.
This goes back to as long as Putin came to power and the Obama administration including Hilary Clinton and John Kerry as secretary of state and their somewhat
success in gaining in edge in the struggle of the balance of power for free countrys' over non free countrys'.Putin has been on the march so far as to stymie the U.S.s' efforts so far as winning this struggle.Ahsad,in Syria,Madura,in Venezuela,the Ukraine,Cremea.all these states were potentially good prospects to be of the Free world.Putin is not having it.If you were truly up on world events you would have known of his statement of"He would never give up on C*******m"Also since Russia was still experiencing it's economic woes from the Soviet Unions collapsed in 91,The Ukraine is also about money.The Ukraine has an adequate supply of natural gas, Russia does not.Russia only owns the
pipeing to distribute the natural gas.Putin wants that `GAS.It is practically the same case with Crimea.Crimea is very commercially viable.
Pretty proud Incurry,I think you don't have a clue... (
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Don Green 76, It troubles me that you toot yourself as an "expert" on the Ukraine. Surely, I am not an ambassador, but do have a fair education in history. When the Soviet Union collapsed, its ministers in the hierarchy grabbed the money and deposited it into foreign banks, that they might orchestrate a c**p from abroad. The European Union is seeded with their corruption and cash. So are Americans banks, like the Bank of New York:
Re Red Mafia money laundering $7 billion through Bank of New York
August 30, 2002 article on Internet:
https://www.crji.org/articles.php?id=4036CRJI.org Investigations articles
RUSSIAN BUSINESSES WITH ORGANIZED CRIME LINKS EXPANDING INTO ROMANIA by Paul Cristian Raciu
"Russian Organized Crime
"The MDM group has been often mentioned in a huge scandal that dealt with the alleged laundering of more than $7 billion, over 1996-1999. The money belonged to the Russian Mafia and the operation was made through the
Bank of New York (BoNY). Important names were involved in this scandal, such as that of Aleksandr Mamut, chairman of MDM. (He resigned when the scandal emerged. Andrei Melnichenko replaced him). Another important name is that of
Semion Moghilevich. The FBI characterizes the latter as
"the most dangerous mafiosi worldwide." The BoNY scandal has brought serious damages to the MDM group. According to the Russian Business Monitor, Westerners still perceive this group as "the gangsters' money bag."
"However, the MDM group's problems did not end with the BoNY deal. The group is also involved in many scandals. Among them we may mention a lawsuit in which the group and several other associates are asked to pay damages amounting to $3 billion. The lawsuit, currently under debate at the US District Court for the Southern District of New York, involves a group of Russian businessmen as plaintiffs and the MDM, Oleg Deripaska (the head of Russky Alyuminiy) and others, as defendants. The latter are charged, on the grounds of the US RICO law (Racketeering Influence and Corrupt Organizations Act), with contract murders, offering bribery, fraud, and money laundering. All the aforementioned acts were reportedly carried out to enable them get hold of all the factories or units dealing with the iron and steel industry."
These Red mafioso are still trying to collapse the new Russian Federation and reinstate c*******m.
Here is another mercurial Ukrainian politician with ties to the Red Mafia, former Prim Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, long allied with Red Mafioso Semyon Mogilevich, (again, tied to the Bank of New York). Preisdent Yanukovich fired PM Tymoshenko for her criminal ties, whereas the Obama administration ousted Yanukovich and installed Mafioso Poroshenko, recently v**ed out and replaced by Zellenskyy:https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/28/business/worldbusiness/28iht-gazprom.4.9557527.htmlUkraine demands Gazprom cut out middleman
By ANDREW E. KRAMERJAN. 28, 2008
"MOSCOW — The prime minister of Ukraine, Yulia Tymoshenko, demanded Monday that Gazprom, the Russian natural gas monopoly, deal directly with the Ukrainian state oil and gas company rather than through an intermediary as it does now.
"The demand sets Tymoshenko, a politician with a reputation for fierceness and tenacity, against the interests of Gazprom regarding natural gas t***s-shipments through Ukraine to Western Europe. That is an issue that is important for Gazprom's bottom line."With her return to the office of prime minister in December after a two-year hiatus, a deal involving Gazprom and an intermediary company to ship gas across Ukrainian territory to Europe is showing signs of unraveling.
"Europe buys about 25 percent of its natural gas from Gazprom, and 80 percent of Gazprom's natural gas exports go to Europe across Ukraine.
"In January, 2006, Gazprom halted gas supplies to Ukraine for three days in a price dispute, causing gas pipelines throughout Europe to lose pressure in the midst of a cold snap.
The standoff was resolved when Ukraine and Gazprom agreed to trade through a middleman, RosUkrEnergo.
"On Friday, representatives of the Ukrainian state energy company, Naftogaz, walked out of talks on settling a $598 million debt to RosUkrEnergo, Russian media reported, suggesting that the Ukrainians were refusing again to pay for Russian gas. Naftogaz disputed that account in a statement.
"In another sign that the deal may be unwinding, Russian police last week arrested, Semyon Mogilevich, a reputed organized crime figure with ties to RosUkrEnergo, though on tax evasion charges ostensibly unrelated to the Ukrainian gas business.
"'The involvement of intermediaries is a sign of corruption,' Tymoshenko said in Brussels, where she met with the European Commission President, Jose Manuel Barroso, according to Interfax, the news agency. "My position remains unchanged: We will do away with the semi-legal intermediaries."
"Tymoshenko also weighed in directly on the arrest of Mogilevich in Moscow, in a comment that suggested that she saw a link between his arrest and the strains in the negotiations over natural gas shipments.
"The arrest shows that the international community is watching such processes and will not allow any semi-legal deals," she said, according to Interfax....
"Mogilevich, a 61-year-old Ukrainian native with Russian citizenship, had been wanted by the FBI for securities fraud in the United States since 2003. His arrest in Moscow on Wednesday, after a meeting with the owner of a perfume business he is accused of aiding in tax evasion, was officially unrelated to either the U.S. charges or the Ukrainian gas deals.
British and U.S. law enforcement officials have said that Mogilevich made a fortune in racketeering, prostitution and arms dealing as the Soviet Union fell apart, and later became a mastermind of complex money laundering schemes. He figured in the Bank of New York money laundering case of late 1999 as a suspect, but was not charged."In the U.S. security fraud case, the FBI names as an associate of Mogilevich Igor Fisherman, a Ukrainian businessman. Fisherman was financial director of the Israeli subsidiary of Highrock Holdings, which is registered in Cyprus. Highrock is owned by Firtash, the partner with Gazprom in RosUkrEnergo, Russia's Novaya Gazeta reported Monday..."Cyprus is the haven for the Russian Mafia c*******ts to stash their stolen cash from the Kremlin as the Berlin Wall came down. Other such "tax havens" and money laundering centers are the Bank of New York and HSBC, James Comey's former employer whose brother was the tax accountant for the Clinton Foundation.
Putin seized Gazprom and YUKOS oil from the Red Russian mafioso, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, (now wanted by INTERPOL for murder) who has mounted a campaign to topple Putin from abroad via his "Open Russia Organization" established in the sanctuary city of San Francisco. Do you really think this open border for i*****l a***ns is all about the persecuted Mexican farm laborers? The Mexicans are patsies for the c*******ts Russian Mafia that subsidize the Democrat Party.
How far do we need to go with the Democrat Party's support for the Russian Mafia's attempts to o*******w the new Russian Federation and our own duly elected President Trump?
President Trump asked President Zellensky to investigate CROWDSTRIKE and retrieve the DNC computer that America might investigate the hard drive for supposed Russian hacking:
read the t***scrpt.