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Nov 19, 2019 19:47:25   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
dongreen76 wrote:
Pretty proud Incurry,I think you don't have a clue as to what the Ukraine situation is about,neither does or did Trump. Your stipulation as to what Trump is doing is merely his defense for being ignorant of the matter of how to be president and not knowing any better than to bribe or extort a foreign entity into helping him to dethrone his adversaries- then make up an excuse like- he is worried of corruption in the Ukraine.. of course the Ukraine had corruption just as the other recently ex - Soviet Empire newly formed governments.because they are still getting off the ground.When the Soviet Union failed in 91, Russia had rampant inflation and corruption galore,every Tom ,Dick, and Harry Q, politician flocked there to exploit the situation. He didn't consider the ramifications of what something such as that could lead to.A foreign entity investigating a major political figure such as Biden may become privy to all sorts of classified information they should not be privy to.Your support of him is merely a manifestation of the gullability and naivety of the female.
If you had a clue about the Ukrainian situation or what is going on there you wouldn't have excepted Trump's alibi.
This goes back to as long as Putin came to power and the Obama administration including Hilary Clinton and John Kerry as secretary of state and their somewhat
success in gaining in edge in the struggle of the balance of power for free countrys' over non free countrys'.Putin has been on the march so far as to stymie the U.S.s' efforts so far as winning this struggle.Ahsad,in Syria,Madura,in Venezuela,the Ukraine,Cremea.all these states were potentially good prospects to be of the Free world.Putin is not having it.If you were truly up on world events you would have known of his statement of"He would never give up on C*******m"Also since Russia was still experiencing it's economic woes from the Soviet Unions collapsed in 91,The Ukraine is also about money.The Ukraine has an adequate supply of natural gas, Russia does not.Russia only owns the
pipeing to distribute the natural gas.Putin wants that `GAS.It is practically the same case with Crimea.Crimea is very commercially viable.
Pretty proud Incurry,I think you don't have a clue... (show quote)


Don Green 76, It troubles me that you toot yourself as an "expert" on the Ukraine. Surely, I am not an ambassador, but do have a fair education in history. When the Soviet Union collapsed, its ministers in the hierarchy grabbed the money and deposited it into foreign banks, that they might orchestrate a c**p from abroad. The European Union is seeded with their corruption and cash. So are Americans banks, like the Bank of New York:

Re Red Mafia money laundering $7 billion through Bank of New York
August 30, 2002 article on Internet:
https://www.crji.org/articles.php?id=4036
CRJI.org Investigations articles
RUSSIAN BUSINESSES WITH ORGANIZED CRIME LINKS EXPANDING INTO ROMANIA by Paul Cristian Raciu
"Russian Organized Crime

"The MDM group has been often mentioned in a huge scandal that dealt with the alleged laundering of more than $7 billion, over 1996-1999. The money belonged to the Russian Mafia and the operation was made through the Bank of New York (BoNY). Important names were involved in this scandal, such as that of Aleksandr Mamut, chairman of MDM. (He resigned when the scandal emerged. Andrei Melnichenko replaced him). Another important name is that of Semion Moghilevich. The FBI characterizes the latter as "the most dangerous mafiosi worldwide." The BoNY scandal has brought serious damages to the MDM group. According to the Russian Business Monitor, Westerners still perceive this group as "the gangsters' money bag."

"However, the MDM group's problems did not end with the BoNY deal. The group is also involved in many scandals. Among them we may mention a lawsuit in which the group and several other associates are asked to pay damages amounting to $3 billion. The lawsuit, currently under debate at the US District Court for the Southern District of New York, involves a group of Russian businessmen as plaintiffs and the MDM, Oleg Deripaska (the head of Russky Alyuminiy) and others, as defendants. The latter are charged, on the grounds of the US RICO law (Racketeering Influence and Corrupt Organizations Act), with contract murders, offering bribery, fraud, and money laundering. All the aforementioned acts were reportedly carried out to enable them get hold of all the factories or units dealing with the iron and steel industry."

These Red mafioso are still trying to collapse the new Russian Federation and reinstate c*******m.

Here is another mercurial Ukrainian politician with ties to the Red Mafia, former Prim Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, long allied with Red Mafioso Semyon Mogilevich, (again, tied to the Bank of New York). Preisdent Yanukovich fired PM Tymoshenko for her criminal ties, whereas the Obama administration ousted Yanukovich and installed Mafioso Poroshenko, recently v**ed out and replaced by Zellenskyy:

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/28/business/worldbusiness/28iht-gazprom.4.9557527.html
Ukraine demands Gazprom cut out middleman
By ANDREW E. KRAMERJAN. 28, 2008

"MOSCOW — The prime minister of Ukraine, Yulia Tymoshenko, demanded Monday that Gazprom, the Russian natural gas monopoly, deal directly with the Ukrainian state oil and gas company rather than through an intermediary as it does now.

"The demand sets Tymoshenko, a politician with a reputation for fierceness and tenacity, against the interests of Gazprom regarding natural gas t***s-shipments through Ukraine to Western Europe. That is an issue that is important for Gazprom's bottom line.

"With her return to the office of prime minister in December after a two-year hiatus, a deal involving Gazprom and an intermediary company to ship gas across Ukrainian territory to Europe is showing signs of unraveling.

"Europe buys about 25 percent of its natural gas from Gazprom, and 80 percent of Gazprom's natural gas exports go to Europe across Ukraine.

"In January, 2006, Gazprom halted gas supplies to Ukraine for three days in a price dispute, causing gas pipelines throughout Europe to lose pressure in the midst of a cold snap.

The standoff was resolved when Ukraine and Gazprom agreed to trade through a middleman, RosUkrEnergo.

"On Friday, representatives of the Ukrainian state energy company, Naftogaz, walked out of talks on settling a $598 million debt to RosUkrEnergo, Russian media reported, suggesting that the Ukrainians were refusing again to pay for Russian gas. Naftogaz disputed that account in a statement.

"In another sign that the deal may be unwinding, Russian police last week arrested, Semyon Mogilevich, a reputed organized crime figure with ties to RosUkrEnergo, though on tax evasion charges ostensibly unrelated to the Ukrainian gas business.

"'The involvement of intermediaries is a sign of corruption,' Tymoshenko said in Brussels, where she met with the European Commission President, Jose Manuel Barroso, according to Interfax, the news agency. "My position remains unchanged: We will do away with the semi-legal intermediaries."

"Tymoshenko also weighed in directly on the arrest of Mogilevich in Moscow, in a comment that suggested that she saw a link between his arrest and the strains in the negotiations over natural gas shipments.

"The arrest shows that the international community is watching such processes and will not allow any semi-legal deals," she said, according to Interfax....

"Mogilevich, a 61-year-old Ukrainian native with Russian citizenship, had been wanted by the FBI for securities fraud in the United States since 2003. His arrest in Moscow on Wednesday, after a meeting with the owner of a perfume business he is accused of aiding in tax evasion, was officially unrelated to either the U.S. charges or the Ukrainian gas deals.

British and U.S. law enforcement officials have said that Mogilevich made a fortune in racketeering, prostitution and arms dealing as the Soviet Union fell apart, and later became a mastermind of complex money laundering schemes. He figured in the Bank of New York money laundering case of late 1999 as a suspect, but was not charged.

"In the U.S. security fraud case, the FBI names as an associate of Mogilevich Igor Fisherman, a Ukrainian businessman. Fisherman was financial director of the Israeli subsidiary of Highrock Holdings, which is registered in Cyprus. Highrock is owned by Firtash, the partner with Gazprom in RosUkrEnergo, Russia's Novaya Gazeta reported Monday..."

Cyprus is the haven for the Russian Mafia c*******ts to stash their stolen cash from the Kremlin as the Berlin Wall came down. Other such "tax havens" and money laundering centers are the Bank of New York and HSBC, James Comey's former employer whose brother was the tax accountant for the Clinton Foundation.

Putin seized Gazprom and YUKOS oil from the Red Russian mafioso, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, (now wanted by INTERPOL for murder) who has mounted a campaign to topple Putin from abroad via his "Open Russia Organization" established in the sanctuary city of San Francisco. Do you really think this open border for i*****l a***ns is all about the persecuted Mexican farm laborers? The Mexicans are patsies for the c*******ts Russian Mafia that subsidize the Democrat Party.

How far do we need to go with the Democrat Party's support for the Russian Mafia's attempts to o*******w the new Russian Federation and our own duly elected President Trump?

President Trump asked President Zellensky to investigate CROWDSTRIKE and retrieve the DNC computer that America might investigate the hard drive for supposed Russian hacking: read the t***scrpt.

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Nov 19, 2019 20:30:38   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Ask yourself, why would the Democrats favor Ukraine joining the European Union to buy oil and gas from Iran, the largest sponsor of terrorism and a proxy of Red China, instead of dealing with the new Russian Federation, a fledgling free-market democracy?

Why this policy of economically isolating a new Russian democracy, and instead, favor lifting sanctions against Iran, facilitating its nuclear ambitions to wipe out its Arab neighbors, Israel, and eventually, the United States via Iran arming Venezuela and Cuba with HAMAS and Hezbollah terrorists? The Democrat Party is the party of s******n and treason as it surrounds us with an armed madhouse.

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Nov 19, 2019 22:39:36   #
dongreen76
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Don Green 76, It troubles me that you toot yourself as an "expert" on the Ukraine. Surely, I am not an ambassador, but do have a fair education in history. When the Soviet Union collapsed, its ministers in the hierarchy grabbed the money and deposited it into foreign banks, that they might orchestrate a c**p from abroad. The European Union is seeded with their corruption and cash. So are Americans banks, like the Bank of New York:

Re Red Mafia money laundering $7 billion through Bank of New York
August 30, 2002 article on Internet:
https://www.crji.org/articles.php?id=4036
CRJI.org Investigations articles
RUSSIAN BUSINESSES WITH ORGANIZED CRIME LINKS EXPANDING INTO ROMANIA by Paul Cristian Raciu
"Russian Organized Crime

"The MDM group has been often mentioned in a huge scandal that dealt with the alleged laundering of more than $7 billion, over 1996-1999. The money belonged to the Russian Mafia and the operation was made through the Bank of New York (BoNY). Important names were involved in this scandal, such as that of Aleksandr Mamut, chairman of MDM. (He resigned when the scandal emerged. Andrei Melnichenko replaced him). Another important name is that of Semion Moghilevich. The FBI characterizes the latter as "the most dangerous mafiosi worldwide." The BoNY scandal has brought serious damages to the MDM group. According to the Russian Business Monitor, Westerners still perceive this group as "the gangsters' money bag."

"However, the MDM group's problems did not end with the BoNY deal. The group is also involved in many scandals. Among them we may mention a lawsuit in which the group and several other associates are asked to pay damages amounting to $3 billion. The lawsuit, currently under debate at the US District Court for the Southern District of New York, involves a group of Russian businessmen as plaintiffs and the MDM, Oleg Deripaska (the head of Russky Alyuminiy) and others, as defendants. The latter are charged, on the grounds of the US RICO law (Racketeering Influence and Corrupt Organizations Act), with contract murders, offering bribery, fraud, and money laundering. All the aforementioned acts were reportedly carried out to enable them get hold of all the factories or units dealing with the iron and steel industry."

These Red mafioso are still trying to collapse the new Russian Federation and reinstate c*******m.

Here is another mercurial Ukrainian politician with ties to the Red Mafia, former Prim Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, long allied with Red Mafioso Semyon Mogilevich, (again, tied to the Bank of New York). Preisdent Yanukovich fired PM Tymoshenko for her criminal ties, whereas the Obama administration ousted Yanukovich and installed Mafioso Poroshenko, recently v**ed out and replaced by Zellenskyy:

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/28/business/worldbusiness/28iht-gazprom.4.9557527.html
Ukraine demands Gazprom cut out middleman
By ANDREW E. KRAMERJAN. 28, 2008

"MOSCOW — The prime minister of Ukraine, Yulia Tymoshenko, demanded Monday that Gazprom, the Russian natural gas monopoly, deal directly with the Ukrainian state oil and gas company rather than through an intermediary as it does now.

"The demand sets Tymoshenko, a politician with a reputation for fierceness and tenacity, against the interests of Gazprom regarding natural gas t***s-shipments through Ukraine to Western Europe. That is an issue that is important for Gazprom's bottom line.

"With her return to the office of prime minister in December after a two-year hiatus, a deal involving Gazprom and an intermediary company to ship gas across Ukrainian territory to Europe is showing signs of unraveling.

"Europe buys about 25 percent of its natural gas from Gazprom, and 80 percent of Gazprom's natural gas exports go to Europe across Ukraine.

"In January, 2006, Gazprom halted gas supplies to Ukraine for three days in a price dispute, causing gas pipelines throughout Europe to lose pressure in the midst of a cold snap.

The standoff was resolved when Ukraine and Gazprom agreed to trade through a middleman, RosUkrEnergo.

"On Friday, representatives of the Ukrainian state energy company, Naftogaz, walked out of talks on settling a $598 million debt to RosUkrEnergo, Russian media reported, suggesting that the Ukrainians were refusing again to pay for Russian gas. Naftogaz disputed that account in a statement.

"In another sign that the deal may be unwinding, Russian police last week arrested, Semyon Mogilevich, a reputed organized crime figure with ties to RosUkrEnergo, though on tax evasion charges ostensibly unrelated to the Ukrainian gas business.

"'The involvement of intermediaries is a sign of corruption,' Tymoshenko said in Brussels, where she met with the European Commission President, Jose Manuel Barroso, according to Interfax, the news agency. "My position remains unchanged: We will do away with the semi-legal intermediaries."

"Tymoshenko also weighed in directly on the arrest of Mogilevich in Moscow, in a comment that suggested that she saw a link between his arrest and the strains in the negotiations over natural gas shipments.

"The arrest shows that the international community is watching such processes and will not allow any semi-legal deals," she said, according to Interfax....

"Mogilevich, a 61-year-old Ukrainian native with Russian citizenship, had been wanted by the FBI for securities fraud in the United States since 2003. His arrest in Moscow on Wednesday, after a meeting with the owner of a perfume business he is accused of aiding in tax evasion, was officially unrelated to either the U.S. charges or the Ukrainian gas deals.

British and U.S. law enforcement officials have said that Mogilevich made a fortune in racketeering, prostitution and arms dealing as the Soviet Union fell apart, and later became a mastermind of complex money laundering schemes. He figured in the Bank of New York money laundering case of late 1999 as a suspect, but was not charged.

"In the U.S. security fraud case, the FBI names as an associate of Mogilevich Igor Fisherman, a Ukrainian businessman. Fisherman was financial director of the Israeli subsidiary of Highrock Holdings, which is registered in Cyprus. Highrock is owned by Firtash, the partner with Gazprom in RosUkrEnergo, Russia's Novaya Gazeta reported Monday..."

Cyprus is the haven for the Russian Mafia c*******ts to stash their stolen cash from the Kremlin as the Berlin Wall came down. Other such "tax havens" and money laundering centers are the Bank of New York and HSBC, James Comey's former employer whose brother was the tax accountant for the Clinton Foundation.

Putin seized Gazprom and YUKOS oil from the Red Russian mafioso, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, (now wanted by INTERPOL for murder) who has mounted a campaign to topple Putin from abroad via his "Open Russia Organization" established in the sanctuary city of San Francisco. Do you really think this open border for i*****l a***ns is all about the persecuted Mexican farm laborers? The Mexicans are patsies for the c*******ts Russian Mafia that subsidize the Democrat Party.

How far do we need to go with the Democrat Party's support for the Russian Mafia's attempts to o*******w the new Russian Federation and our own duly elected President Trump?

President Trump asked President Zellensky to investigate CROWDSTRIKE and retrieve the DNC computer that America might investigate the hard drive for supposed Russian hacking: read the t***scrpt.
Don Green 76, It troubles me that you toot yoursel... (show quote)


I don't toot myself as any thing. I merely stated that Trump was using the so called corruption of the Ukraine as a reason to exonerate himself of the charges levied against him.I don't know how he figures solving the Ukraine problem of corruption negates the fact of the United States policy of philosophically supporting those countries that are in lock step with the concept of a free world over a totaltarin one( alah the balance of power) which my post gave you an over view of what is going and the Ukrainian situation is about.So you raced to a periodical and found a case of Russian criminal that is not a part of the more simplistic view of what Putin is about to prove something and proved nothing,ignoring Putin's behaviors in other parts of the world,which is as I said,he is merely stymying America's recent success so far as upsetting the balance of power.That of which you spoke is passay blassay and merely one criminal case and has no bareing on the overview of what is going on in the Ukraine or the world for that matter.That info of the corruption that gave Russia a 400 percent inflation rate,which has been eradicated with Putin being touted as possibly the richest man in the world evidently has been solved.I doubt that a strong man such as Putin has any organized crime problems,he probably is organized crime
You people and your stupid s**t.So now the Democrats are in collusion with the Russians,to throw Trump out,huh?.Is that why he has done everything consistent that is extollive of Russian policy as oppose to against it.

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Nov 19, 2019 22:45:19   #
fullspinzoo
 
dongreen76 wrote:
I don't toot myself as any thing. I merely stated that Trump was using the so called corruption of the Ukraine as a reason to exonerated himself of the charges levied against him.I don't know how he figures solving the Ukraine problem of corruption negates the fact of the United States policy of philosophically supporting those countries that are in lock step with the concept of a free world over a totaltarin one( alah the balance of power) which my post gave you an over view of what is going and the Ukrainian situation is about.So you raced to a periodical and found a case of Russian criminal that is not a part of the more simplistic view of what Putin is about to prove something and proved nothing,ignoring Putin's behaviors in other parts of the world,which is as I said,he is merely stymying America's recent success so far as upsetting the balance of power.That of which you spoke is passay blassay and merely one criminal case and has no bareing on the overview of what is going on in the Ukraine or the world for that matter.That info of the corruption that gave Russia a 400 percent inflation rate,which has been eradicated with Putin being touted as possibly the richest man in the world evidently has been solved.I doubt that a strong man such as Putin has any organized crime problems,he probably is organized crime.
I don't toot myself as any thing. I merely stated... (show quote)


Did you graduate from high school?

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Nov 20, 2019 09:55:11   #
dongreen76
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Did you graduate from high school?


No,I don't get high, therefore I have not received a certificate of commendation for excellence in the not so artful practice of getting high as most `AMARICANS`( "my felluh") which explains a lot of things going on in the United States.

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Nov 20, 2019 10:37:47   #
fullspinzoo
 
dongreen76 wrote:
No,I don't get high, therefore I have not received a certificate of commendation for excellence in the not so artful practice of getting high as most `AMARICANS`( "my felluh") which explains a lot of things going on in the United States.


explains EVERYTHING. Tks for your honesty.

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Nov 20, 2019 20:42:34   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
dongreen76 wrote:
I don't toot myself as any thing. I merely stated that Trump was using the so called corruption of the Ukraine as a reason to exonerate himself of the charges levied against him.I don't know how he figures solving the Ukraine problem of corruption negates the fact of the United States policy of philosophically supporting those countries that are in lock step with the concept of a free world over a totaltarin one( alah the balance of power) which my post gave you an over view of what is going and the Ukrainian situation is about.So you raced to a periodical and found a case of Russian criminal that is not a part of the more simplistic view of what Putin is about to prove something and proved nothing,ignoring Putin's behaviors in other parts of the world,which is as I said,he is merely stymying America's recent success so far as upsetting the balance of power.That of which you spoke is passay blassay and merely one criminal case and has no bareing on the overview of what is going on in the Ukraine or the world for that matter.That info of the corruption that gave Russia a 400 percent inflation rate,which has been eradicated with Putin being touted as possibly the richest man in the world evidently has been solved.I doubt that a strong man such as Putin has any organized crime problems,he probably is organized crime
You people and your stupid s**t.So now the Democrats are in collusion with the Russians,to throw Trump out,huh?.Is that why he has done everything consistent that is extollive of Russian policy as oppose to against it.
I don't toot myself as any thing. I merely stated... (show quote)


Don Green 76; Turn off your TV and Read the transcript.
Meanwhile, AG Barr and Durham will investigate the Clinton Crime Machine in the Ukraine, CrowdStrike, and the Russian Red Mafia that ushered Poroshenko into office.

At least that little article above that I posted for you on Prime Minister Timoshenko blocking the Russian GAZPROM attempt to run a pipeline through the Ukraine to serve the EU puts to rest your claim that the Russians have no gas. GAZPROM even offered to sell gas to the Ukraine at a loss, just to reach through to the European Union. Putin was trying for a win, win, win scenario for everybody in need of winter heat.

In fact, your posts seem rather confused about many issues. I am wasting my time trying to lay out history for you, posting numerous articles from reputable conservative journals and documentary films, yet you note only one article? Obviously, you have no interest whatsoever in the Ukraine or these impeachment hearings. Why are you even posting on this website?

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Nov 21, 2019 01:23:38   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
con-green76 wrote:
Do you know "Bat Eye ?,you know that right wing conspiracy nut ,AKA , "Eagle Eye".That is so quintessential of"YOU PEOPLE" .You think you and your word is absolution, omniscience, and supreme intellect all rolled in one.
I post information from WHITE writers just like you and you break out with your typical white r****t ass arbitrary cantankerous s**t.
By the way do you know what OP ED's are.maybe I'm wrong,maybe you are not your quintessential r****t white fuck,maybe you are just ignorant of Op Ed's.If so, then I apologize for my rant."YOU PEOPLE"are ignorant and hard to take though.
Do you know "Bat Eye ?,you know that right wi... (show quote)


Down boy...

No call for this language...

Or to bring your r****m into the conversation...

Ignorant is as ignorant does...

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