JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Knew you wouldn't get it. My days are fine by the way. If pre-existing is covered it is no longer insurance. Insurance is a thing providing protection against a possible eventuality. Pre-existing by definition has already occurred. I would define pre-existing as a condition that without treatment will lead to death. It would be covered with a consumption tax in every state. Every state could determine the percentage. This makes everyone pitch in something so everyone is helping out the people with pre-existing conditions. Not just us people who make money and are getting soaked. The PEC individuals would be in a large high risk pool by themselves. People healthy, or relatively there of, could then shop for much cheaper and competitive policies. Also force healthcare providers to post the price of their individual treatments in other words t***sparency. You should know the price of an MRI before you get one. Tort reform, although a catch all is needed. Just as an aside my state is still under the ACA. My insurance for 2020 is $8,200 out of pocket with a premium of $1,600 a month for two. The only way I am eligible for a subsidy on the premium is if I quit working for one half the year. Which I may do. Now me paying for other peoples insurance seems fine to you because you're a liberal and you love feeling charitable with other peoples money. Why not car insurance? Can you imagine what car insurance would be like if everyone had it, no matter their driving record or for free subsidized by others?
As far as Universal healthcare goes you sheep on the left never look at the entire picture. Sure a large percentage of some countries like their universal care. They have all had it long enough now that these countries are starting to really feel the costs. Taxes are going up and their economies have much lower growth than ours. Older people are getting left behind. Long waiting periods. I hear it all the time from our Canadian friends at the American Legion. Presently about 15% of the U.S. population is on Medicare or around 49 million. Now imagine the price tag on 327.5 million people and the doctor shortage. The amount of bureaucratic red tape, staff, and providers would be ridiculous. How many specialists do you believe will work for a government pay check? Medicare as of now is predicted to become insolvent in 2026. How does that fit into your plan? It doesn't because you emotional snowflakes don't have one.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

For what? Perm preach's it but the people he supports don't live most of those green f**gs.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Thanks, I think I should take them seriously..

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Sound advice... No matter one's political leanings...

The people I support don't either...

That's the problem... To few people living by such decent rules

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I saved it... Will be nice to wake up to something like that... Maybe a screensaver

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

I am very strong in support of covering pre existing conditions.

I was refused coverage on myself for near 5 years. I know several people in much the same postition if the requirment were removed.

Some of you points seem to have merit, some I have heard proposed before.

If they can be made to work, fine.. that would be great.
but it would seem no workable solution is really wanted, only removal of the ACA..

As for "other people money", I very much pay my way and willingly see my taxes go to support health care for others.. not because it is the right thing to do, but because it is the economical thing to do.

It has been shown over and over that timely treatment is in the end cheaper then death bed treatment. and in our society, that would be the option..

cost--have to look at the projections on the various plans. also look at the opposition..

I do not think medicare for all will make it for a number of years and not in one full swoop.

a great deal of change has to be done.. and many variations sorted through..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

hdjimv Loc: South Dakota

hdjimv Loc: South Dakota

I agree wholeheartedly J. The part about the specialists working for a government pay check is right on. I know a great Hematologist who actually cured my son of leukemia that went to medical school in Canada for cheap because of government aid in education costs. He worked in Canada for the required time period to meet the requirements for the aid then moved to the States so he could be compensated more for his work.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

It has also been shown that timely treatment is often times an individuals personal responsibility also. Many people with Insurance or on Medicaid never go for regular checkups or watch their own health until it becomes an emergency. Government cannot enforce morality and it can't force individuals to live a healthy lifestyle. Not cruel or not compassionate. Just the way it is. Until you or someone else on OPP can counter my proposal with a better one you are just spouting talking points.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Yea, Great story. Could have easily found one where the person wrote; I am 75 years old with a heart condition and in constant pain because I need a hip replacement. Can't afford to go to the states and have an operation. The wait time is so long I'll be dead by the time I get this hip replaced or it will just be listed as non-life threatening and not done. Thank you NHC for my addiction to paink**lers. what you fail to mention in your cute little example is that someone paid . Just how you l***h's think.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

We have no control over other people's behavior. We can only control our own. Of curse we can, and should, select as friends those who take responsibility for their own behavior and do not blame others for the mistakes made by themselves. Of course that is difficult, and seldom perfected .

SWMBO

Radiance3

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Their deceptive ideas of equal healthcare is all a window dressing trying to deceive the American people. They think the people are dumb not to understand. But their deceptive ideas of healthcare for all is not possible, that will ruin the whole country present and future generations are all ruined and people
converted to servitude. This all HealthCare coverage is the dumbest idea that could happen in our country.

This is a cruel and very deceptive proposal. It is not possible to spending the $52 trillion. Barrons predicted to be $65 million.

Impossible to meet this objective. Right now our US Treasury has negative balance about $21.5 trillion. Then where will Warrens and Sanders get the money? Oh, tax the rich additional 10% and the Middle income additional 8%.

Medicare will run out of money in 2026.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-medicare-money-20180605-story.html

The objective of Warrens and Sanders proposing Socialism is POWER CONTROL. It is not equal justice. So America, be vigilant cause these GREEDY people are hungry right now. After that they'll take away the country's assets for their own, their families. They will be served by the people.

Right now for 2019 rate of income tax for Middle Income is 25%, and the High Income is 35%. Sanders or Warren will add to our tax for Middle Income 8%, and for high income 10%. So total tax by the Middle Income is 33% of income, and for high income will be 45%. Oh, how lovely this is Sanders will take all our hard earned money and then deposit to their bank accounts.
They have all the POWER CONTROL. NOW, if you v**e for these lunatics.

woodguru

At least they have ideas, trump doesn't.
True Dat
Keith

woodguru

And we need to head for that kind of system. Kaiser does something like this for their doctors. They pay for medical school for a contract period, and start doctors with a year salary that isn't bad that goes up quite a bit every year. It's a system that works, and what doctor are paid needs to start to be regulated.