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Nov 14, 2019 01:52:07   #
JW
 
PeterS wrote:
You think there is an area where bipartisanship can work? I hardly think so. And it was Comey who launched the investigation of the Russians not the Democrats. In fact, you cons had both chambers of the house and presidency so Democrats were hardly in a position to do anything. If Trump didn't have so many of his minions in contact with the Russians and then lying about it he never would have been under investigation by Mueller. Trumps need to lie and only have liars around him is the reason he's under investigation and probably will be under investigation so long as he is president.

The reason Trump is under investigation isn't that we are sore losers but because Trump is a crook who thrives on filth and can only conduct himself in the most corrupt way possible. He had no sooner had put Mueller in his rearview mirror then he once again he tried to enlist the power of a foreign government to aid him in getting elected. Trump is his own worst enemy and would be doing you a favor if he would resign and get out of the way.
You think there is an area where bipartisanship ca... (show quote)


I read crap like that and have to wonder what universe you are living in. None of Trump's people were in contact with any Russians outside of their required duties. As it turns out, there is ample proof that General Flynn was set up and his contact with the Russian Ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, was part of his duties as a national security advisor. The so-called Russian agent, Mifsud, who got Papadopoulos into it with the FBI turns out to have been a Western Intelligence asset.

It's all coming out and you will ultimately learn that the Conspiracy nuts are all on your side of the aisle. I wonder if you will be as quick to apologize as you are to condemn.

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Nov 14, 2019 02:44:56   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
PeterS wrote:
You think there is an area where bipartisanship can work? I hardly think so. And it was Comey who launched the investigation of the Russians not the Democrats. In fact, you cons had both chambers of the house and presidency so Democrats were hardly in a position to do anything. If Trump didn't have so many of his minions in contact with the Russians and then lying about it he never would have been under investigation by Mueller. Trumps need to lie and only have liars around him is the reason he's under investigation and probably will be under investigation so long as he is president.

The reason Trump is under investigation isn't that we are sore losers but because Trump is a crook who thrives on filth and can only conduct himself in the most corrupt way possible. He had no sooner had put Mueller in his rearview mirror then he once again he tried to enlist the power of a foreign government to aid him in getting elected. Trump is his own worst enemy and would be doing you a favor if he would resign and get out of the way.
You think there is an area where bipartisanship ca... (show quote)

Check when the investigations began. They started before Trump took office. Nothing has been shown that Trump did anything wrong. The ones who pled guilty or were found guilty, committed their offences prior to joining the campaign. Flynn's guilty plea was based on changed notes and lies by the FBI. If Republicans did things the way the Democrats have been doing things the Clintons would have been convicted of multiple murders. The left dismisses these as nut job conspiracy theories. With the same amount of proof as that, the left has Trump convicted of every crime imaginable.

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Nov 14, 2019 03:18:34   #
PeterS
 
Kickaha wrote:
Check when the investigations began. They started before Trump took office. Nothing has been shown that Trump did anything wrong. The ones who pled guilty or were found guilty, committed their offences prior to joining the campaign. Flynn's guilty plea was based on changed notes and lies by the FBI. If Republicans did things the way the Democrats have been doing things the Clintons would have been convicted of multiple murders. The left dismisses these as nut job conspiracy theories. With the same amount of proof as that, the left has Trump convicted of every crime imaginable.
Check when the investigations began. They started ... (show quote)

You didn't read the Mueller report, did you? Below is a link so you can get caught up. And yes, we dismiss your nutjob conspiracy theories because that's what they are--nutjob conspiracy theories. One has Hillary committing over 90 murders yet no one can lay a glove on her. Another has Rosenstein, a Trump appointee, hiring Mueller to nefariously take down Trump. Really, you think Trump was trying to take himself down? And then there were Obama's birth certificate and birthplace and the implication that from birth Obama's mother then grandmother were plotting to make him president of the United States. Common on!

https://www.commoncause.org/resource/read-the-mueller-report/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgeWOnZ_p5QIVzJ6zCh3ZFAxREAAYASAAEgLtUPD_BwE

Most of your conspiracies theories require the deductive reasoning of a three-year-old to solve but you cons can't solve them because they conform to what you believe and that is more important than any t***h that they may hold. You people run around like headless chickens all to seek affirmation of your beliefs with any t***h left to the flip of a coin.

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Nov 14, 2019 03:54:20   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
PeterS wrote:
You didn't read the Mueller report, did you? Below is a link so you can get caught up. And yes, we dismiss your nutjob conspiracy theories because that's what they are--nutjob conspiracy theories. One has Hillary committing over 90 murders yet no one can lay a glove on her. Another has Rosenstein, a Trump appointee, hiring Mueller to nefariously take down Trump. Really, you think Trump was trying to take himself down? And then there were Obama's birth certificate and birthplace and the implication that from birth Obama's mother then grandmother were plotting to make him president of the United States. Common on!

https://www.commoncause.org/resource/read-the-mueller-report/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgeWOnZ_p5QIVzJ6zCh3ZFAxREAAYASAAEgLtUPD_BwE

Most of your conspiracies theories require the deductive reasoning of a three-year-old to solve but you cons can't solve them because they conform to what you believe and that is more important than any t***h that they may hold. You people run around like headless chickens all to seek affirmation of your beliefs with any t***h left to the flip of a coin.
You didn't read the Mueller report, did you? Below... (show quote)


It was Hillary's campaign that started the birth certificate thing that Obama still hasn't provided without being doctored. The msm just gave him a pass because they were in kahoots with him. Evan his grandmother said she was there when he was born in Kenya.

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Nov 14, 2019 04:51:11   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
PeterS wrote:
You didn't read the Mueller report, did you? Below is a link so you can get caught up. And yes, we dismiss your nutjob conspiracy theories because that's what they are--nutjob conspiracy theories. One has Hillary committing over 90 murders yet no one can lay a glove on her. Another has Rosenstein, a Trump appointee, hiring Mueller to nefariously take down Trump. Really, you think Trump was trying to take himself down? And then there were Obama's birth certificate and birthplace and the implication that from birth Obama's mother then grandmother were plotting to make him president of the United States. Common on!

https://www.commoncause.org/resource/read-the-mueller-report/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgeWOnZ_p5QIVzJ6zCh3ZFAxREAAYASAAEgLtUPD_BwE

Most of your conspiracies theories require the deductive reasoning of a three-year-old to solve but you cons can't solve them because they conform to what you believe and that is more important than any t***h that they may hold. You people run around like headless chickens all to seek affirmation of your beliefs with any t***h left to the flip of a coin.
You didn't read the Mueller report, did you? Below... (show quote)


You apparently can't read. I never said that I believed in any of the conspiracy theories. I only said there was as much proof of those conspiracy theories as there has been with the accusations against Trump. Then again, you can't convince some people (on both sides) that grass is greener, or the sun rises in the east.

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Nov 14, 2019 10:49:49   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Kickaha wrote:
The President is chosen by the states not by a national popular v**e. The Democrats lost. Instead of preparing for the next e******n, they have spent the last 3 years trying to overturn the last one. I don't believe the loser should roll over and die. They should put aside hard feelings and do the business of the country (this applies to both parties). When you lose, you study what happened. What you did right, what you did wrong. You also study your opponent. After doing that, you develop your strategy for winning the next time. Just complaining that the v**ers were too stupid to make the right choice is setting yourself up for another loss. There were allegations of fraud and e******n i**********e by both sides. That at least indicates an area were they can work on bipartisan solutions.
The President is chosen by the states not by a nat... (show quote)


The post you responded to started out by saying Dems lost the p**********l e******n. So I don't get why you need to say that again. I used the popular v**e to point out why Dems do not feel defeated. That is all.

It is the right that is stuck on the last e******n. We are closer to the next one. The impeachment hearings are about winning that e******n, not overturning the last one. Everyone knows that the President won't be convicted, unless the Republicans in the Senate totally cave. From the Democrats' POV, the v**ers did make the right choice, even though the e******n was lost. The hearings are about motivating the base and independents to v**e in larger numbers so that the majority wins the next e******n.

We know the Trump base will never abandon him. Complaining about them, or calling them stupid, is a waste of time. A fair assessment, however, would acknowledge that Trump's base also complain about the 'stupidity' of those with whom they disagree. Also a wast of time.

The base love him because he is Trump, being Trump. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. I see nothing wrong with that. I think, however, it is a losing strategy. Trump being Trump is also alienating a lot of v**ers, and not just those who would v**e against him anyway. He is losing the self identified independents. Even members of the base acknowledge that some of his conduct is questionable, and frame their support in terms of policies that they support.

The Trump administration is doomed for one simple reason. They are governing as though they have a mandate, but do not have the support of most of the American people. That is a fatal flaw. Many of those who v**ed for Trump as an agent of change from politics as usual are starting to see a rogue President is not the change they envisioned.

It's no skin off my political nose if the right keeps thinking that impeachment is about overturning the last e******n. It shows they are engaged in rear guard actions. I see defending Trump as a losing strategy for Republicans. Trump will be Trump, and give the Democrats all the ammunition they need to win in 2020.

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Nov 14, 2019 11:10:45   #
bahmer
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Impact had no idea about any of that...

I just remember reading that California was purchased... Kind of like Alaska



I wonder if there is a customer service department where we could get our money back for California?

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Nov 14, 2019 14:05:42   #
Abel
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
If the government steps aside, watch us not only win, but in record time. Yes the culture isn't taught guerilla warfare, vets are!!!! And very well. And with a few, just a few of the one robot k**l teams clear out the swamp for good measure.


Draining the swamp would be a GOOD measure for sure!

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Nov 14, 2019 14:52:28   #
woodguru
 
ziggy88 wrote:
Americans Will Soon be Forced Into a Guerrilla War of Survival-Can America Win Against the G*******t Occupation Forces?
Submitted by Dave Hodges on Thursday, November 7, 2019
Researched by Pastor Gary Boyd.

How many of you believe that this country is plunging head-first into a state of revolution? How many of you believe that a planned currency collapse coupled with the implementation of a brutal martial law and gun confiscation will be the trigger events which will incite the coming revolution? In addition, nonsense c*****e c****e policies designed to bring America and most Americans to their knees will occur under a Democratic Party leadership. The Democrats are aligned with the UN troops in our country under the Kigali Principles of UN Peacekeeper intervention (ie invasion of the United States). As I have demonstrated, Nancy Pelosi and Beto O’Rourke are aligned with former Mexican President Nieto who took $100 million to leave the Sinaloa cartel alone. In part, I blame the deaths of these 9 American citizens on Pelosi, Eric “Fast and Furious” Holder and Obama. It was their open border, let-the-drugs-flow policies that led to these deaths. These horrific murders are just the beginning of what is coming to both sides of the border. What else can we expect than when we witness Pelosi and O’Rourke h*****g out with Nieto?

The exit of California from the Union would devastate our economy and agricultural production. Key Democrats are aligned with this movement. Senators Kamala Harris and Feinstein and Governor, Gavin Newsome, are aligned with the C*******t Chinese on a number of fronts. Many Democrats and even saying some Republicans are being blackmailed by the Epstein operation. I could go on, but the readers know where this is leading. We are a nation that has forsaken its rule of law just like N**i Germany did in 1932. Adam Schiff is holding Soviet-style hearings with secret witnesses, hearsay evidence and outright liars. This is your judicial future America should the Democrats takeover. We would be witnessing the Obama administration on steroids.

Being a coach and former athlete, I know the feeling of a once-inferior opponent rising up to defeat my team. I know the feeling of underestimating an opponent. I have done that with the Democrats. The Kentucky Governor’s race is proof of what I am saying along with the fact that Texas is turning “blue”. We are all faced with the possibility that the Democrats could be running the country in the next several months. These are Democrats in name only. These individuals are C*******ts and I am not exaggerating when I say that many are demonically possessed and serve Satan. Then there are radicalized Democrats like AOC and Omar. They run their Congressional offices like a makeshift terrorist organization. They crawled out from underneath the rock we call the “Justice Democrats.” There is nothing that these people will not do to solidify their power. And I have just had the “aha moment” of my life when I have come to the final realization that they and their fellow servants of Satan could be running this country in a few months.

Many of us in the alternative media believe that this is the likely scenario that will very soon turn this country into the most dangerous country on the face of the earth. It might behoove us to look a little closer at the nature of revolution in order to predict where all of this is likely headed. In the present political climate, I see no way to stem the tide of unthinkable brutality and violence which seems imminent. It is in this mindset that I set about to research the topic of revolution and this series of articles reflects the results of the research. And as a result of past and common patterns of revolution, it appears as if a clear picture is beginning to emerge.

We already are in a civil war. The last thing to happen in a civil war is the piling up of bodies. And America, make no mistake about it, the enemy controls the media, the military industrial complex, the stock market and the banks. Guerrilla war will be the only viable form of resistance.

Four Levels of Warfare

Most military strategists identify four levels of conflict; (1) nuclear war is the trump card of all conflict; (2) conventional warfare; (3) guerrilla warfare; and, (4) terrorism.

It is safe to say that if our country does indeed descend into revolution, nuclear war will not come into play, for if it did, there would be nothing to rule over in the aftermath.

The United States has witnessed civil war of a conventional nature In the 1860's as two mighty armies of that era locked horns in what proved to be the conflict in which America suffered her greatest loss of life. In the Civil War, both sides had equivalent weaponry and as a result employed conventional tactics. However, given the disparity of technology and resources between the people the g*******t controlled forces of the new Democratically controlled government, a conventional war would prove to be a disaster for the rebel forces. If key elements of the military were to break away and support the people, perhaps a conventional war would unfold. However, it is not likely that the upcoming civil war will be conventional as it is not probable that the military will bifurcate and turn in on itself. The likely mode of the revolutionary war conflict facing the people of the United States is that it will consist of either guerrilla warfare or terrorism.

Guerrilla Warfare Or Terrorism?

Terrorism is the least preferred option by any insurgent group. With terrorism, there is absolutely no hope of final victory because territory is never occupied. For that reason, nobody aspires to engage in terrorism if they have a viable alternative and the American people do have a choice given how well armed we are. However, terrorism arising out a defeated guerrilla force is a distinct possibility as it would represent American guerrilla's fallback position should they be defeated. Subsequently, does the MIAC Report which labeled Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Second Amendment Supporters, Ron Paul Supporters, Veterans and now Christians as d******c t*******ts, make a little more sense as to why DHS made these bold proclamations? The DHS of the Obama years understood and demonstrated their understanding of these facts and has also prepared for what I just wrote about in the previous paragraph. Hillary was to be 2016 recipient of Obama’s work, but Donald Trump happened.

The Veterans Administration estimates that there are approximately 21.5 million veterans living in the United States. We also live in a country with over 300 million privately owned guns. These combined factors point clearly to a guerrilla war being the preferred and necessary mode of combat which will likely be visited upon this country.

What Is Guerrilla Warfare?

Guerrilla warfare, for most of human history, is not new. Tribal war, which traditionally pits one guerrilla force against another, is the oldest form of warfare. The new "conventional" form of warfare, which pits guerrillas against "conventional" forces, is more recent as it first arose in Mesopotamia 5,000 years ago.

The good news for future American freedom fighters is that guerrilla war has been getting more successful since 1945, but unfortunately guerrilla fighters still lose most of the time. An analysis of past conflicts featuring guerrilla war, reveals that only 25% of guerrilla forces, out of 443 such conflicts since 1775, were successful. The government prevailed almost 64% of the time with the remainder of the conflicts ended in a stalemate. Conversely, since the end of WWII, the percentage of success for guerrilla forces has indeed gone up to 39.6%. Yet that still means that government forces have continued to prevail 51% of the time. When the American people engage in a guerrilla war in the upcoming years, the people have less than a 40% chance of success.

Length of Guerrilla Wars

Guerrilla wars are rarely short and as a result do not favor the American culture and our collective psyche of instant gratification. When Americans flip the switch on the wall, we expect the light to come on. Will Americans set aside their entitlements as well as their entrenched soft lifestyle and rise to the occasion? Only time will tell.

The Vietnamese culture with an external locus of control predominating the people where the group is more important than the individual is the perfect mindset for guerrilla fighters. This could prove to be the American rebels biggest challenge because guerrilla warfare is not something that one does like driving over a speed bump. It is a way of life, a very hard way of life filled with misery, extreme sacrifice and unspeakable losses.

Prior to WWII, guerrilla wars lasted an average of seven years. Following WWII, guerrilla conflicts lasted an average of 10 years. Will Americans embrace the tenets and sacrifices of guerrilla war and can it ever become a way of life? I believe that conditions would have to be unspeakably horrendous for America to embrace a conflict under these conditions. I think that things would have to be so bad, so completely genocidal, that fighting and dying would be the only viable alternative for America in order to embrace guerrilla warfare as a way of life. What I am saying here is that we are a very soft people.

How Close Are We to the Inevitable Conflict?

Successful guerrilla leaders such as Lawrence of Arabia, Mao, Castro and Giap all concur that there are three phases of any guerrilla war. However, before the phases can unfold there are two preconditions which must be met.

The first condition which is a prerequisite for guerrilla war, is based upon the fact that there has to be a decisive battle for the belief systems of the people as a whole. The g*******ts have invested billions of dollars in order to dominate the mainstream media. On the other side is the alternative media. Both sides are vying for control of the belief systems of the country.

There are two very distinct ideologies playing out today in the court of public opinion. On one hand, the future rebels are adept at exposing the loss of national sovereignty and civil liberties every chance they get. Conversely, the g*******t dominated media is spending billions of dollars to convince the masses that there is no such thing as a conspiracy theory and despite some governmental incompetence, the government loves and protects its people. And the g*******ts are being somewhat effective. Have you ever noticed that when you are describing a g*******t inspired conspiracy such as what happened at B******i, and no matter how well documented your position is, that your audience frequently responds with "you must be one of these conspiracy theorists." Our facts are rarely attacked because they are accurate, but the idea of the existence of any kind of conspiracy is what is challenged. This kind of programming coming from the media is brilliant and effective. Who is winning this war of words? The jury is still out, but the unmistakable conclusion is that the ideological battle lines for the upcoming conflict have clearly been drawn. One might argue that social media censorship will eventually beat down the alt media.

The g*******ts sell the sheep on the notion that we have to control you to protect you (from a threat of our creation), and the other side is saying "we will take our chances, give us freedom."

The second precondition which must be met prior to descending into guerrilla war consists of both sides engaging in an arms race. In response to the Obama administration's threat of seizing our guns for the false f**g events of the Aurora Batman massacre and Sandy Hook, Americans went on a gun-buying frenzy which continues to this day. DHS has engaged in their own arms buildup as they have purchased 2.2 billion rounds of ammunition to go with 2700 new armored personnel carriers and that is not all. The federal government has invested in 730,000 drones, super soldier robots and intelligence gathering techniques which are mind-blowing. As an aside,

Snowden's public revelations related to the extent of the NSA's illegal surveillance activities contained nothing that most of us in the alternative media did not already know. It is my belief that Ed Snowden knows a lot more than has been reported related to the reasons underlying the NSA spying and the media is refusing to report on it.
Americans Will Soon be Forced Into a Guerrilla War... (show quote)



Unfortunately your "guerrilla war" would be against whichever side is causing civil unrest, the division in this country is about the right not being happy with democracy in terms of the will of the majority of people. If your president that is supported by far less than half of the people is impeached or loses the e******n, and you as a minority cannot accept the democratic process and choose to fight against the system...you need to know that UN forces and most of the military will support the law and democracy. You will not have ALL of the american people on your side. A solid majority that includes registered republicans will be standing in opposition to butt hurt trump supporters, and I suspect that the resistance will be weak hearted and easily shut down as a minor civil unrest and some unruly protests..and a continuous roll of mass shootings and bombings.

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Nov 14, 2019 14:53:22   #
woodguru
 
bahmer wrote:
I wonder if there is a customer service department where we could get our money back for California?

You could always give the money back to them that they contribute to the federal budget.

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Nov 14, 2019 15:12:36   #
woodguru
 
Kickaha wrote:
You apparently can't read. I never said that I believed in any of the conspiracy theories. I only said there was as much proof of those conspiracy theories as there has been with the accusations against Trump. Then again, you can't convince some people (on both sides) that grass is greener, or the sun rises in the east.

The accusations against trump are all real, they happened. What you have to figure out is if they rise to the level of impeachment. The fact of the matter is, that if you accept that they happened, they are then in fact impeachable...hence the denial and rhetoric about the accusations themselves being f**e or bogus.

Here's an impeachable offense that is as real as the nose on your face, and you could see it as easily as you can see your nose. Obstruction of justice, trump has no reason, legal or otherwise to tell people in his administration not to testify in congress. Nowhere in the constitution does it give a president the wiggle room to decide whether an impeachment investigation is justified or not. Nowhere in the constitution does it say the courts have anything to say about whether the house can call on any witnesses. In fact what the constitution does say is that it is the sole responsibility of the house of representatives to impeach. Besides the fact that if trump did nothing wrong, his people would support his positions under oath, he needs to be impeached for obstruction of justice.

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Nov 14, 2019 15:19:41   #
woodguru
 
Kickaha wrote:
Flynn's guilty plea was based on changed notes and lies by the FBI.

Flynn's guilty plea was based on the fact that he was guilty of many many things that carry prison sentences. The list of charges was highly reduced from what could have been added to the list, in exchange for cooperation.

Don't fall into the rhetoric that this was a completely innocent man who was charged with entirely made up charges, he did what he plead guilty for. And part of what he got was that his son was left out of charges that they had him dead to rights on. Was he pressured by the DOJ, you bet your ass he was, that's how it works, was he told to lie? No way the DOJ would jeopardize a good case with lies when Flynn was guilty of as many things as he was.

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Nov 14, 2019 15:21:35   #
woodguru
 
bggamers wrote:
Personal opinion Californa leaving is fine they don't supply anything the rest of the country can't pick up and provide. At most we won't have to pick up their fricken bill for anything. Top it off who do they think is going to protect their butts
Personal opinion Californa leaving is fine they do... (show quote)

That was a fairly ignorant point of view, the only bills the federal government picks up are paid by funds California pays to the federal government.

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Nov 14, 2019 15:27:00   #
woodguru
 
drlarrygino wrote:
Your water pistols and cap guns,those great guns of yours, will be worthless against real guns and real ammo. While most conservatives have 6 pack abdominal guns and 17" bicep guns as well as real guns and real bullets you c*******t fools have soft abs and 12" biceps. Hiding out in mommy's basement won't cut it either for you wimps. The Civil War should be over in less than a month with you c*******ts surrendering to our secondary troops, our high school brigade.

What are you talking about 6 pack abs and 17 inch bicep guns, I'll put any of my PPC speed event guns or custom .45's up against a dozen six packs and bicep guns any day. I'm sorry, you've got me responding to really stupid crap here, I apologize.

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Nov 14, 2019 15:31:37   #
woodguru
 
Kickaha wrote:
The left lost the last P**********l e******n and refused to accept defeat. A reasonable party would examine what they did wrong and develop a strategy to win the next time. Instead the democrats have chosen to chase lies and rumors trying to overturn the results of the last e******n. About the only thing they haven't tried is armed conflict, although a few 'nuts' aligned with them have tried on their own.

You keep thinking that there buhaha, we got over trump and now this is about making sure he goes either before or by the e******n. He won by such razor thin margins I don't know how you can sound so sure about 2020 with a straight face.

This isn't about overturning the results of the last e******n (except to undo as much damage as can be with a dem as president and a dem senate), it's about damage control and making sure it doesn't happen again.

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