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Nov 13, 2019 17:05:26   #
Rose42
 
PeterS wrote:
All of the above were regulated to the point repeat murder is much more difficult and no one from the right stood up to protest. People will always be inventive when they find ways to murder but why hand it to them on a platter. Look at the Las Vegas shooter--the deaths there could have easily climbed into the hundreds. Why are we gift wrapping a psychotics ability to fulfill their very warped dreams?

My point is that it's the conservatives pretense that guns designed to mimick military weapons aren't what they appear to be but "sporting" rifles which is an insult to all those who have been murdered and maimed by them. It's this head in the sand mentality about the weapons they so love that is going to cause them and all sporting rifles to be banned. If we can regulate fertilizer to the point that it isn't feasible to use in bombs then we can regulate military-style weapons to the point they can't be used to commit mass murder. If it means banning the weapon then so be it else you grandpa's 22 semi that he taught you to shoot squirrels with runs the risk of being taken away with all other semi-automatic weapons.

I grew up in New Mexico and there were few weekends that we weren't out hunting something. Guns are a way of life for a lot of people and a great way for parent and child to bond with each other. There is much to be protected that responsible gun owners are about to lose all over the love of one style of weapon. If you think it's worth it so be it. If you think it's worth going to war over so be it. The weapons days are numbered simply because a democratic society finds them more a danger than a benefit...
All of the above were regulated to the point repea... (show quote)


If you don’t like the rights we have in this country you’re free to move somewhere else.

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Nov 13, 2019 17:06:27   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
Rose42 wrote:
I don’t think you realize the sheer dishonesty of your post. Or perhaps you do and just don’t care.


Liberals don't care about DISHONESTY, that's the way they roll.

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Nov 14, 2019 14:57:53   #
Abel
 
PeterS wrote:
All of the above were regulated to the point repeat murder is much more difficult and no one from the right stood up to protest. People will always be inventive when they find ways to murder but why hand it to them on a platter. Look at the Las Vegas shooter--the deaths there could have easily climbed into the hundreds. Why are we gift wrapping a psychotics ability to fulfill their very warped dreams?

My point is that it's the conservatives pretense that guns designed to mimick military weapons aren't what they appear to be but "sporting" rifles which is an insult to all those who have been murdered and maimed by them. It's this head in the sand mentality about the weapons they so love that is going to cause them and all sporting rifles to be banned. If we can regulate fertilizer to the point that it isn't feasible to use in bombs then we can regulate military-style weapons to the point they can't be used to commit mass murder. If it means banning the weapon then so be it else you grandpa's 22 semi that he taught you to shoot squirrels with runs the risk of being taken away with all other semi-automatic weapons.

I grew up in New Mexico and there were few weekends that we weren't out hunting something. Guns are a way of life for a lot of people and a great way for parent and child to bond with each other. There is much to be protected that responsible gun owners are about to lose all over the love of one style of weapon. If you think it's worth it so be it. If you think it's worth going to war over so be it. The weapons days are numbered simply because a democratic society finds them more a danger than a benefit...
All of the above were regulated to the point repea... (show quote)


This may appear a bit unusual for me, but I tend to agree with a lot you wrote. However, it is not the one style of gun that is the problem. We are not gift wrapping any gun for assassination purposes. What we are gift wrapping is the psychotic, hallucinogenic drugs that our doctors, and pharmaceutical drug pushers, are misusing and making misuse of them so easy. Attacking guns is attacking the wrong target! Most of these insane shooters were on drugs given to them by doctors by prescriptions. We are letting big pharma and big medicine turn our children to insane junkies who can't differentiate between a violent video game or violent socialist training movie from Hollywood and real life. Our Public Indoctrination System, most times referred to as Public Education System, is also promoting Socialistic philosophies that have, throughout history, been shown to be failures. Sanctuary cities are a shameful example of Democratic lack of sound leadership. Open borders, multilingualism, m**************m, political correctness, f**grant disregard for our Constitution and the rule of law, and rampant diversity, are other signs of mental sickness in the USA.

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Nov 14, 2019 15:05:58   #
Seth
 
PeterS wrote:
All of the above were regulated to the point repeat murder is much more difficult and no one from the right stood up to protest. People will always be inventive when they find ways to murder but why hand it to them on a platter. Look at the Las Vegas shooter--the deaths there could have easily climbed into the hundreds. Why are we gift wrapping a psychotics ability to fulfill their very warped dreams?

My point is that it's the conservatives pretense that guns designed to mimick military weapons aren't what they appear to be but "sporting" rifles which is an insult to all those who have been murdered and maimed by them. It's this head in the sand mentality about the weapons they so love that is going to cause them and all sporting rifles to be banned. If we can regulate fertilizer to the point that it isn't feasible to use in bombs then we can regulate military-style weapons to the point they can't be used to commit mass murder. If it means banning the weapon then so be it else you grandpa's 22 semi that he taught you to shoot squirrels with runs the risk of being taken away with all other semi-automatic weapons.

I grew up in New Mexico and there were few weekends that we weren't out hunting something. Guns are a way of life for a lot of people and a great way for parent and child to bond with each other. There is much to be protected that responsible gun owners are about to lose all over the love of one style of weapon. If you think it's worth it so be it. If you think it's worth going to war over so be it. The weapons days are numbered simply because a democratic society finds them more a danger than a benefit...
All of the above were regulated to the point repea... (show quote)


I don't believe their days are "numbered," there are too many of us armed Americans who won't give them up.

As far as these active shooter situations that have sprung up ever since your side's war on Judeo-Christianity began and your side turned our schools into social engineering plants, the left is merely using these tragedies as another excuse to disarm the people.

The Democrats lost all human feeling some time ago, every expression of concern they utter is merely another path to a political agenda.

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Nov 14, 2019 15:08:33   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
nonalien1 wrote:
Only if it is advertised as a military style weapon? I don't really know .Anyone?


Apparently they say Remington appealed to kids in their advertising or rather that is what they are saying. Pretty soon we will be able to sue McDonalds for making our kids fat!

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Nov 14, 2019 16:06:04   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Apparently they say Remington appealed to kids in their advertising or rather that is what they are saying. Pretty soon we will be able to sue McDonalds for making our kids fat!


And public schools for making them ignorant??

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Nov 14, 2019 16:12:20   #
Abel
 
I wasn't through editing when this timed out, so this is added to replace the previous.

PeterS wrote:
All of the above were regulated to the point repeat murder is much more difficult and no one from the right stood up to protest. People will always be inventive when they find ways to murder but why hand it to them on a platter. Look at the Las Vegas shooter--the deaths there could have easily climbed into the hundreds. Why are we gift wrapping a psychotics ability to fulfill their very warped dreams?

My point is that it's the conservatives pretense that guns designed to mimick military weapons aren't what they appear to be but "sporting" rifles which is an insult to all those who have been murdered and maimed by them. It's this head in the sand mentality about the weapons they so love that is going to cause them and all sporting rifles to be banned. If we can regulate fertilizer to the point that it isn't feasible to use in bombs then we can regulate military-style weapons to the point they can't be used to commit mass murder. If it means banning the weapon then so be it else you grandpa's 22 semi that he taught you to shoot squirrels with runs the risk of being taken away with all other semi-automatic weapons.

I grew up in New Mexico and there were few weekends that we weren't out hunting something. Guns are a way of life for a lot of people and a great way for parent and child to bond with each other. There is much to be protected that responsible gun owners are about to lose all over the love of one style of weapon. If you think it's worth it so be it. If you think it's worth going to war over so be it. The weapons days are numbered simply because a democratic society finds them more a danger than a benefit...
All of the above were regulated to the point repea... (show quote)


This may appear a bit unusual for me, but, in this case, I tend to agree with a lot you wrote. However, it is not the one style of gun that is the problem. Fully automatic weapons are pretty hard to come by if you're not in the military, and they should be. It is not the fault of legitimate gun manufacturers that some psycho uses their product for horrible atrocities. They are not gift wrapping any guns for assassination purposes. What we are gift wrapping is the psychotic, hallucinogenic drugs that our doctors, and pharmaceutical drug pushers, are misusing, and making misuse of them so easy. We promote soft targets, like "Gun Free Zones," and falsely expect them to reduce gun violence, even though it has been clearly shown that they encourage violent actions. Alcohol abuse causes more problems than weapons abuse but people still drink it, although some are irresponsible about it just like they are with guns. Attacking guns, or weapons, or firearms, for gun violence is attacking the wrong target! Drugs are driving the USA crazy, not guns! Go to the source, don't keep screwing with the symptoms just trying to make everyone "feel better!"

Most of these insane shooters were on drugs given to them by doctors, requiring prescriptions. We are letting big pharma and big medicine turn our children to insane junkies who can't differentiate between a violent video game, or violent socialist training movie from Hollywood, and real life. Hollywood is nearly all liberal, and promotes their agenda; they haven't produced but two or three decent movies for nearly five decades, yet my children and grandchildren can come closer to quoting the names and acts of movie actors than telling me how the government works, what the Constitution says, or what President Trump has done FOR the USA, and that's a damned crying shame!

Some Urbanites have no idea that much of the meat (beef, pork, lamb) in the grocery cases or the milk on the grocery shelves comes from a cow, steer, pig, or sheep, raised in "fly-over country, even though they see cowboys, sheep herders, and ranchers on their TVs!" Many coastal dwellers fear traveling on the ground through "fly-over country" because they can't see what they're breathing!

Most everyone in "fly-over country" knows what a gun is, a tool, and knows how to use it; many urbanites only see guns used for crimes committed by gangs and bank robbers, are told guns are the most terrible thing on the planet, and are not trained to use guns, so they are afraid of them.

A Gun Safety and Operations course should be mandatory and taught in every grade school, without discrimination by race, sex, or religion! The Hell of our current situation is that if we allow the Progressive Deep State operatives to ban guns, then only outlaws will have guns, and law abiding citizens and children will be unable to defend themselves against those outlaws with guns! However, that fits the general Progressive agenda to disarm the populous to make it easier to take over the country and eliminate those who oppose their philosophy, as history has shown.

Our "Public Indoctrination System," most often referred to as "Public Education System," is diligently promoting Socialistic philosophies that have, throughout history, been shown to be failures, as a good way to live. Well, it isn't. Sanctuary cities, like San Francisco, are a shameful example of Democratic lack of sound leadership. Open borders, multilingualism, m**************m, political correctness, f**grant disregard for our Constitution and the rule of law, and rampant diversity, all Democratic ideas, are other signs of mental decadence in the USA, and are being used to increase the number of Democratic v**ers to eventually overwhelm the v****g system and o*******w our Sovereign Republic.

THIS IS WHY I SAY WE ARE ATTACKING THE WRONG TARGET! Guns are just a tool; the way the tool is used is up to the PERSON, sane or insane, USING THE TOOL. Whenever some sicko psycho decides to k**l one person, or a group of people, he/she will find a tool to accomplish their task regardless of whether a gun is available or not!

Attack the perpetrator, not the tool, if you want results! Have a nice day!

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Nov 14, 2019 16:17:16   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
Abel wrote:
I wasn't through editing when this timed out, so this is added to replace the previous.



This may appear a bit unusual for me, but, in this case, I tend to agree with a lot you wrote. However, it is not the one style of gun that is the problem. Fully automatic weapons are pretty hard to come by if you're not in the military, and they should be. It is not the fault of legitimate gun manufacturers that some psycho uses their product for horrible atrocities. They are not gift wrapping any guns for assassination purposes. What we are gift wrapping is the psychotic, hallucinogenic drugs that our doctors, and pharmaceutical drug pushers, are misusing, and making misuse of them so easy. We promote soft targets, like "Gun Free Zones," and falsely expect them to reduce gun violence, even though it has been clearly shown that they encourage violent actions. Alcohol abuse causes more problems than weapons abuse but people still drink it, although some are irresponsible about it just like they are with guns. Attacking guns, or weapons, or firearms, for gun violence is attacking the wrong target! Drugs are driving the USA crazy, not guns! Go to the source, don't keep screwing with the symptoms just trying to make everyone "feel better!"

Most of these insane shooters were on drugs given to them by doctors, requiring prescriptions. We are letting big pharma and big medicine turn our children to insane junkies who can't differentiate between a violent video game, or violent socialist training movie from Hollywood, and real life. Hollywood is nearly all liberal, and promotes their agenda; they haven't produced but two or three decent movies for nearly five decades, yet my children and grandchildren can come closer to quoting the names and acts of movie actors than telling me how the government works, what the Constitution says, or what President Trump has done FOR the USA, and that's a damned crying shame!

Some Urbanites have no idea that much of the meat (beef, pork, lamb) in the grocery cases or the milk on the grocery shelves comes from a cow, steer, pig, or sheep, raised in "fly-over country, even though they see cowboys, sheep herders, and ranchers on their TVs!" Many coastal dwellers fear traveling on the ground through "fly-over country" because they can't see what they're breathing!

Most everyone in "fly-over country" knows what a gun is, a tool, and knows how to use it; many urbanites only see guns used for crimes committed by gangs and bank robbers, are told guns are the most terrible thing on the planet, and are not trained to use guns, so they are afraid of them.

A Gun Safety and Operations course should be mandatory and taught in every grade school, without discrimination by race, sex, or religion! The Hell of our current situation is that if we allow the Progressive Deep State operatives to ban guns, then only outlaws will have guns, and law abiding citizens and children will be unable to defend themselves against those outlaws with guns! However, that fits the general Progressive agenda to disarm the populous to make it easier to take over the country and eliminate those who oppose their philosophy, as history has shown.

Our "Public Indoctrination System," most often referred to as "Public Education System," is diligently promoting Socialistic philosophies that have, throughout history, been shown to be failures, as a good way to live. Well, it isn't. Sanctuary cities, like San Francisco, are a shameful example of Democratic lack of sound leadership. Open borders, multilingualism, m**************m, political correctness, f**grant disregard for our Constitution and the rule of law, and rampant diversity, all Democratic ideas, are other signs of mental decadence in the USA, and are being used to increase the number of Democratic v**ers to eventually overwhelm the v****g system and o*******w our Sovereign Republic.

THIS IS WHY I SAY WE ARE ATTACKING THE WRONG TARGET! Guns are just a tool; the way the tool is used is up to the PERSON, sane or insane, USING THE TOOL. Whenever some sicko psycho decides to k**l one person, or a group of people, he/she will find a tool to accomplish their task regardless of whether a gun is available or not!

Attack the perpetrator, not the tool, if you want results! Have a nice day!
I wasn't through editing when this timed out, so t... (show quote)


You are 100% correct Sir.

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Nov 14, 2019 17:43:58   #
Seth
 
Abel wrote:
I wasn't through editing when this timed out, so this is added to replace the previous.



This may appear a bit unusual for me, but, in this case, I tend to agree with a lot you wrote. However, it is not the one style of gun that is the problem. Fully automatic weapons are pretty hard to come by if you're not in the military, and they should be. It is not the fault of legitimate gun manufacturers that some psycho uses their product for horrible atrocities. They are not gift wrapping any guns for assassination purposes. What we are gift wrapping is the psychotic, hallucinogenic drugs that our doctors, and pharmaceutical drug pushers, are misusing, and making misuse of them so easy. We promote soft targets, like "Gun Free Zones," and falsely expect them to reduce gun violence, even though it has been clearly shown that they encourage violent actions. Alcohol abuse causes more problems than weapons abuse but people still drink it, although some are irresponsible about it just like they are with guns. Attacking guns, or weapons, or firearms, for gun violence is attacking the wrong target! Drugs are driving the USA crazy, not guns! Go to the source, don't keep screwing with the symptoms just trying to make everyone "feel better!"

Most of these insane shooters were on drugs given to them by doctors, requiring prescriptions. We are letting big pharma and big medicine turn our children to insane junkies who can't differentiate between a violent video game, or violent socialist training movie from Hollywood, and real life. Hollywood is nearly all liberal, and promotes their agenda; they haven't produced but two or three decent movies for nearly five decades, yet my children and grandchildren can come closer to quoting the names and acts of movie actors than telling me how the government works, what the Constitution says, or what President Trump has done FOR the USA, and that's a damned crying shame!

Some Urbanites have no idea that much of the meat (beef, pork, lamb) in the grocery cases or the milk on the grocery shelves comes from a cow, steer, pig, or sheep, raised in "fly-over country, even though they see cowboys, sheep herders, and ranchers on their TVs!" Many coastal dwellers fear traveling on the ground through "fly-over country" because they can't see what they're breathing!

Most everyone in "fly-over country" knows what a gun is, a tool, and knows how to use it; many urbanites only see guns used for crimes committed by gangs and bank robbers, are told guns are the most terrible thing on the planet, and are not trained to use guns, so they are afraid of them.

A Gun Safety and Operations course should be mandatory and taught in every grade school, without discrimination by race, sex, or religion! The Hell of our current situation is that if we allow the Progressive Deep State operatives to ban guns, then only outlaws will have guns, and law abiding citizens and children will be unable to defend themselves against those outlaws with guns! However, that fits the general Progressive agenda to disarm the populous to make it easier to take over the country and eliminate those who oppose their philosophy, as history has shown.

Our "Public Indoctrination System," most often referred to as "Public Education System," is diligently promoting Socialistic philosophies that have, throughout history, been shown to be failures, as a good way to live. Well, it isn't. Sanctuary cities, like San Francisco, are a shameful example of Democratic lack of sound leadership. Open borders, multilingualism, m**************m, political correctness, f**grant disregard for our Constitution and the rule of law, and rampant diversity, all Democratic ideas, are other signs of mental decadence in the USA, and are being used to increase the number of Democratic v**ers to eventually overwhelm the v****g system and o*******w our Sovereign Republic.

THIS IS WHY I SAY WE ARE ATTACKING THE WRONG TARGET! Guns are just a tool; the way the tool is used is up to the PERSON, sane or insane, USING THE TOOL. Whenever some sicko psycho decides to k**l one person, or a group of people, he/she will find a tool to accomplish their task regardless of whether a gun is available or not!

Attack the perpetrator, not the tool, if you want results! Have a nice day!
I wasn't through editing when this timed out, so t... (show quote)


Spot-on!

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Nov 14, 2019 17:54:14   #
Seth
 
PeterS wrote:
All of the above were regulated to the point repeat murder is much more difficult and no one from the right stood up to protest. People will always be inventive when they find ways to murder but why hand it to them on a platter. Look at the Las Vegas shooter--the deaths there could have easily climbed into the hundreds. Why are we gift wrapping a psychotics ability to fulfill their very warped dreams?

My point is that it's the conservatives pretense that guns designed to mimick military weapons aren't what they appear to be but "sporting" rifles which is an insult to all those who have been murdered and maimed by them. It's this head in the sand mentality about the weapons they so love that is going to cause them and all sporting rifles to be banned. If we can regulate fertilizer to the point that it isn't feasible to use in bombs then we can regulate military-style weapons to the point they can't be used to commit mass murder. If it means banning the weapon then so be it else you grandpa's 22 semi that he taught you to shoot squirrels with runs the risk of being taken away with all other semi-automatic weapons.

I grew up in New Mexico and there were few weekends that we weren't out hunting something. Guns are a way of life for a lot of people and a great way for parent and child to bond with each other. There is much to be protected that responsible gun owners are about to lose all over the love of one style of weapon. If you think it's worth it so be it. If you think it's worth going to war over so be it. The weapons days are numbered simply because a democratic society finds them more a danger than a benefit...
All of the above were regulated to the point repea... (show quote)


One more response to your post: None, repeat none of the items I listed were regulated when they were weaponized. The fertilizer involved in the OKC bombing didn't become a federally controlled explosive until a few years after DHS was formed, around 2008. To the best of my knowledge, pressure cookers have never been classified as controlled explosive agents, nor have utility knives, etc.

So whattaya talkin' 'bout?

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Nov 15, 2019 09:01:13   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Oldsailor65 wrote:
And public schools for making them ignorant??



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