nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

This is getting to be an old argument. Trump's favor was regarding Crowdstrike. He spoke of a few other things before he even got to Biden and the way I read it is that Trump is suggesting that Biden made a fool of the Ukraine gov and thinks the new president ought to look into it. There is no suggestion of an investigation and certainly no suggestion that he is willing to provide anything in return for it being done. In fact, it was Biden who did a true quid pro quo/extortion/bribe or what ever you want to call it. Common sense even suggests that the money being paid to H****r is payment for the things Joe was able to do for either the Ukraine gov or Burisma. That is being looked into as we speak. You can't stop that, it's coming.

As for the transcript it might or might not be accurate but it is all we have at the moment. You can't make any assumption of guilt because you think other stuff was in the original phone call. Certainly the guys who actually listened to the actual call haven't testified about anything different.

Now, what are the debunked lies being "spouted" by the republicans??

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

When you're in your forties. It time to stand on your own two feet and defend yourself or H****r will never become a responsible adult. It may already to late.

JediKnight

The debunked lies from republicans include -
"Trump never asked for a quid-pro-quo" -when so far several of the witnesses stated "yes, he did." Other debunked lies include:
Russia didn't interfere in our e******ns
Mexico will pay for the wall
I don't know Stormy Daniels
I'm like you know a stable genius
I don't know any of these women
Papodopolous was just a coffee boy
Manafort, Giuliani, Cohen are great guys
I don't know this Les Parnam (sp?), etc., etc. - the list is actually quite long and distinguished, and these are the lies that immediately pop into my head. Last time I checked, Trump was up to over 11,000 lies since taking office. sad.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Name one witness who said Trump asked for a quid pro quo.

We now know it was Ukraine, not Russia.

JediKnight

Bill Taylor, Sondland, Vindman, and even Mulvaney have all said it. where have you been?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Incorrect. They admit trump never said it and said no quid pro quo. They just thought there was.

JediKnight

H****r has no reason to "defend" himself. Ukraine debunked Trump and Rudy's lies long ago and investigated both Joe and H****r....no charges, no indictments. period.

But now that you mention it....isn't Trump Jr. in his 40's? And how about Jared and Ivanka? Are you going to call for them to defend themselves and actually answer the congressional investigators regarding all of their dirty dealings? Hmmmm……..crickets.


No reason to probe Bidens: former Ukraine prosecutor - BBC ...

https://www.bbc.com › news › world-us-canada-49871909

Sep 29, 2019 - Ukraine's ex-attorney general says there is no basis to investigate Mr Trump's rival Joe Biden.

JediKnight

Why do you come on here and post such blatant lies? You act as if no one here knows how to read.

WHY would Trump even have to mention "no quid-pro-quo" unless it was already discussed?

Do you tell your family members: "don't drive down the street butt naked at 100 miles an hour snorting cocaine because its illegal?" No - I doubt it. Trump only said "no quid" because he knew his aides already understood what he wanted through Sondland, and it was just a weak attempt at plausible deniability at best. But its not working because each day a new witness testifies the exact same thing - "yes, Trump withheld the military aide until Ukraine agreed to his illegal investigations of the Bidens." sad. and pathetic.

Fodaoson Loc: South Texas

H****r B***n works for a private company not the US Government.

JediKnight

Same with Ivanka, Jared, Barr and the rest of Trump's "best people ever" - Trump Government. sad.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

That is exactly what Sondland said Trump said to him directly. No quid pro quo!! Everything else, and I mean everything else is someone saying that is what they thought he meant. Show us a single statement someone is saying Trump actually said. And the only reason Trump had to mention it is because he was asked.

So show us!! We will ALL read it.

Kickaha Loc: Nebraska

Joe Biden told the Ukrainian president to fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma and he had 6 hours to do it or he was leaving and taking the one billion dollars with him. The prosecutor was fired and the Ukraine got the money. The prosecutor who cleared Burisma of corruption was himself corrupt. The diplomats got their information about Trumps call and alleged quid pro quo came from the New York Times, not exactly a neutral news source.

peg w

Whst can H****r add to the swamp? He wasn't even anywhere near the action. He wasn't trying to extort a foreign country.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

H****r was a conduit for laundering money to Joe.