Rose42

I am familiar with it and what it means. Are you? Because you use it wrong. It has nothing to do with opinions. People who quote it the most generally understand it the least. While it doesn’t mean we can be harsh and condemning it in no way implies permissiveness either.

To see sin we have to first acknowledge our own. Christians help each other with corrections and pride makes people take offense.

I will rephrase. Tommy’s posts are dead with regards to the Holy Spirit. There are other spirits out there.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Please tell me how it should be interpreted...

And note that I agree concerning discernment...



Which still doesn't permit one to judge another's sin (perceived or real)... Nor condemn them for it...



This is judgement, not discernment...

Rose42

You can’t back that up biblically - judging another’s sin. Christ tells is to be discerning when judging not condemning. We are to reprobe each other - not be permissive.

In 2 Timothy 2:17 Paul called out false teachers and in Galations 2:11 he reproved Peter.



Judgement is our mechanism for discernment. And pointing out falsehoods is not condemning.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Stating that an individual doesn't know God is condemning...

The fact that you can't differentiate between discernment and judgement is worrisome...

Rose42

No it isn’t.



It is not I that have the problem with the two. And you are trying to make Matthew 7:1 mean something it doesn’t.

Judgement - The ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions

Discernment - The ability to judge well.

Christ rebuked false teachers. So did Paul and Peter. Paul also rebuked Peter in Galatians 2 publically.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Do you honestly believe that this was the definition of "judge" that Jesus was referring to?

Matthew
7:1-4
For with what judgment (The ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions)ye judge(make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions), ye shall be judged(have considered decisions or sensible conclusions made against you): and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Christ did rebuke false teachers...

Wonder what he would say about the majority of "teachers" these days?

Rose42

Those who promote false doctrine and make up their own theology would definitely be rebuked. Those who deny the triune nature of God would be corrected.

Those who don’t speak up to defend the faith also deny him. Those who are permissive because they don’t want to offend (they want to please man above God) deny him. All deny him at times. There are many ways to deny him and just one of those is denying he is God.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Consider taking the whole passage in context. He who has ears to hear, let him hear Canuckus (hint, hint).

Matthew 7:1-6 (NASB)
1 "Do not judge so that you will not be judged.
2 "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.
3 "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
4 "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye?
5 "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
6 "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Verses 1 and 2, where Jesus says: “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you,” may be one of the most quoted and least understood verses in all of the Bible. To judge can mean "to decide, to distinguish," and it actually can mean "to damn, to condemn, to avenge." These verses do not mean that a believer is forbidden to judge others. But it does mean that we are not to judge the inward motives of others in the sense of condemning them. We do not know or understand why someone does a certain thing. We see only outward acts. But bear in mind that God doesn't forbid our judging wrong and evil behavior. The point is that if you are harsh in your judgments of others, you will be known as the type of person who is severe in his considerations of others. Perhaps somebody has said to you, "Don't pay any attention to what he says; he never has a good word to say." You see, he is being judged by the way he judges. This is what Jesus is saying in these verses.

In verse 3, Jesus says: “Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?” Here He is comparing a little piece of sawdust in your brother's eye to the great big redwood log in your own eye. The "log" is the spirit of criticism and prejudice. With that blocking your vision, you are in no position to judge the little sin of another.

Then in verses 4 and 5, Jesus goes on to say: “Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.” This matter of harsh judgment is certainly something about which we need to be very careful. Although Jesus makes it clear that we are not to sit in harsh judgment upon another, He also said that by their fruits we would know them. The late Dr. James McGinley put it in his rather unique fashion, "I am no judge, but I am a fruit inspector." And we can really tell whether or not someone is producing fruit.

Finally, in verse 6, Jesus says: “Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.” This proves that Jesus did not intend to forbid every kind of judgment. He warned His disciples not to “give what is holy to dogs” or to “give...pearls before swine.” Under the Mosaic Law dogs and swine were unclean animals and here the terms are used to depict wicked people. When we meet vicious people, who treat divine truths with utter contempt and respond to our preaching of the claims of Christ with abuse and violence, we are not obligated to continue to share the gospel with them. To press the matter only brings increased condemnation to the offenders. Needless to say, it requires spiritual perception to discern these people. Perhaps that is why the next verses in Chapter 7 take up the subject of prayer, by which we can ask for wisdom.

A humorous anecdote to close…
I’ve read where there was a Tennessee legislator who was a heavy drinker but was converted. The other members of the legislature knew how he drank. Then they heard he "got religion," as they called it. One day this fellow took his seat in the legislature, and his fellow-members looked him over. Finally, someone rose, addressed the chairman of the meeting, and said, "I make a motion that we hear a sermon from Deacon So-and-So." Everyone laughed. But the converted legislator was equal to the occasion. He got to his feet and said, "I'm sorry, I do not have anything to say. My Lord told me not to cast my pearls before swine." He sat down, and they never ridiculed him anymore.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Now this we agree on

And very well spoken...