Snopes trying to rationalize Biden and my response to that; it's beyond funny in such a bad way!!
Nov 7, 2019 11:17:55 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
The following is a response to Ranger from another l*****t on OPP. Apparently this is a cut and paste from a Snope's article.
Ranger,
One thing for sure, is that your post, above, is itself, an absolute lie, according to Snopes.
“A C-SPAN video (which you failed to include) shows former Vice President Joe Biden confessing that he "bribed" Ukraine to drop the Burisma investigation.A C-SPAN video shows former Vice President Joe Biden confessing that he "bribed" Ukraine to drop the Burisma investigation.
“Rating: False
“Origin
“As an impeachment inquiry into U.S. President Donald Trump’s actions commenced in October 2019, so did partisan invocations of whataboutism — a logical fallacy that involves “a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.”
“One example of such was a video clip posted to C-SPAN’s website on Sept. 21, 2019 under the title “Joe Biden Confesses to Bribery.” The video was accompanied by a caption reading “Former Vice President Joe Biden confesses to being in charge of Ukraine for the Obama Administration, and withholding $1 billion in loan guarantees from the USA to force Ukraine to fire prosecutor who was looking into the company that H****r B***n was receiving $83,000+ PER MONTH from”:
“The user-created clip fostered a false impression by pairing a misleading caption with an excerpt from a much longer video with no context. (The video carries a statement from C-SPAN noting that “This clip, title, and description were not created by C-SPAN.”)
“President Trump has been accused by a whistleblower, and is under a House-led impeachment inquiry, for allegedly attempting to coerce Ukraine into provide damaging information on Trump political rival Joe Biden by withholding crucial military aid from that country. The video on C-SPAN’s website attempted to show Biden, a potential political rival for the presidency in 2020, admitting to a parallel wrongdoing during a trip to Ukraine in 2016:
“In the original video clip, VP Biden said, ‘And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.
‘So they said they had — they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to — or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said — I said, call him. I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a b***h. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.”
The billion dollars Biden was threatening to withhold was $1BILLION in LOAN GUARANTEES, NOT any military aide. I understand thst you don’t have the mental capacity to think for yourself, but this time, really try hard.
The video clip was taken from a portion of a talk Biden gave in January, 2018, at a “Council on Foreign Relations” meeting in Washington, D.C., which was held in conjunction with the publication of the January/February issue of Foreign Affairs magazine. Biden had co-authored an article for that month’s issue with former White House official Michael Carpenter, titled “How to Stand Up to the Kremlin: Defending Democracy Against Its Enemies.”
In the “excerpted” portion of the clip, Biden was discussing his efforts on behalf of the Obama administration to pressure Ukraine into to prosecuting corruption and firing Viktor Shokin, an ineffective (and corrupt) prosecutor.
That effort by Biden has been used by Trump supporters to argue, inaccurately, that Biden single-handedly had Shokin fired because Shokin was investigating Burisma, a Ukrainian group of energy exploration and production companies of which Biden’s son H****r was a board member.
However, Shokin was NOT fired for investigating Burisma, but for his failure to pursue corruption investigations — including investigations connected to Burisma, INSIDE Ukraine. And Biden wasn’t alone in the effort to push Shokin out, but rather was spearheading the Obama administration’s policy, which represented a consensus among diplomats, officials from additional, various European countries, AND the International Monetary Fund that Shokin was an impediment to rooting out corruption in his country, according to Bloomberg Magazine:
Shokin became prosecutor general in February 2015. Over the next year, the U.S. and the International Monetary Fund criticized officials for not doing enough to fight corruption in Ukraine …
The U.S. plan to push for Shokin’s dismissal did NOT, initially, come from Biden, but rather filtered up from officials at the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, according to a person with direct knowledge of the situation. Embassy personnel had called for U.S. loan guarantees to Ukraine to be tied to broader anti-corruption efforts, including Shokin’s dismissal, this person said.
Biden’s threat to withhold $1 billion [in U.S. loan guarantees] if Ukraine didn’t crack down on corruption reportedly came in March [2016]. That same month, hundreds of Ukrainians demonstrated outside President Petro Poroshenko’s office demanding Shokin’s resignation, and he was dismissed. (After Ikrains’s p**********l e******n, Poroshenko fled to Moscow and Putin, where he still is.
Moreover, among the reasons the U.S. and other countries, sought Shokin’s ouster was his failure to assist with or pursue an investigation of Burisma Holdings’ owner, NOT Biden’s son.
H****r B***n joined [Burisma’s] board in April 2014, two months after U.K. authorities requested information from Ukraine as part of a probe against [Burisma Holdings owner Mykola] Zlochevsky related to money laundering allegations. Zlochevsky had been minister of environmental protection under then-President Viktor Yanukovych, who fled to Russia in February 2014 after mass protests.
After the U.K. request, Ukrainian prosecutors opened their own case, accusing Zlochevsky of embezzling public funds. Burisma and Zlochevsky have denied the allegations.
The case against Zlochevsky and his Burisma Holdings was assigned to Shokin, then a deputy prosecutor. But Shokin and others weren’t pursuing it, according to the internal reports from the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office reviewed by Bloomberg.
In a December 2014 letter, U.S. officials warned Ukrainian prosecutors of negative consequences for Ukraine over its failure to assist the U.K., which had seized Zlochevsky’s assets, according to the documents.
Shokin took no action to pursue cases against Zlochevsky throughout 2015, said [Vitaliy] Kasko, who was Shokin’s deputy overseeing international cooperation and helping in asset-recovery investigations. Kasko said he had urged Shokin to pursue the investigations.
“There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky,” Kasko said in an interview. “It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015.”
That’s not to say the former vice president’s 2018 commentary at the Council on Foreign Relations meeting was worded well. Before his remarks morphed into “evidence” for claims that Biden ordered Ukraine to fire Shokin for investigating Burisma, they were picked up by Russian government-controlled outlets such as RT and Sputnik to levy accusations that the Obama administration was engaged in heavy-handed meddling in Ukraine’s affairs.“
A link to the FULL video is below.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/c-span-video-joe-biden-ukraine/
So, “Mr Can’t-tell-the-t***h-from-the-lies-he’s-been-feeding-you-for-way-too-long,” try to dispute the following. Oh, I know you’ll probably say that Snopes.com is just another left-wing propaganda source. But then, that’ll be another BIG lie you told.
You and your fellow wrong-wingers can’t defend the facts that have come out of these CONSTITUTIONAL and LEGALLY SANCTIONED oversight investigations, p,us Mueller’s investigation. So, in your many mindless attempts to try to justify the multiple multitudes of illegal actions committed by your new “savior,” you use one of his own tactics and lie, lie, lie and lie some more, ad nausium. When you tire of lying, you deflect away from the subject, again, ad nausium. When you tire of that, you resort to “whataboutism.” When that doesn’t work, you go to insults and innuendo, again, ad nausium. And, to anyone who has ever debated, when you resort to insults and innuendo is when everyone knows you’ve nothing of substance to provide and are a LOSER, to use one of Trump’s favorite self-descriptive words.
That you and your fellow Trump cultists continue to refuse to leave Trump’s sinking Titanic is proof that your last independent thought died of loneliness many years ago. Enjoy your ride down and try to hold your breath. You’d better begin looking for a life preserver now. Trump’s typical play in these situations (remember, he bankrupted 6 businesses, plea-dealed his way out of 2 federal law suits, has refused to pay many of his contractors, has refused to pay the several cities he’s held political rallies at, beginning since his campaign first began.)
Given these very factual examples, you might want to check for life jackets before too much longer. I’d be very afraid that Trump re-appropriated them for his family only. (You know that he’s real good at re-appropriating things.) That would leave you looking for wooden boards to hang onto. FYI: The Potomac River gets very cold in January.
Again, ”Before his remarks morphed into “evidence” for claims that Biden ordered Ukraine to fire Shokin for investigating Burisma, they were picked up by Russian government-controlled outlets such as RT and Sputnik to levy accusations that the Obama administration was engaged in heavy-handed meddling in Ukraine’s affairs.“
Now, I must ask, did you get this pile of crap you posted from RT or Sputnic? Either one is a Russian controlled “news outlet” used by many of the alt-right outlets in the U.S. In the future, when you post your pile of lies, please consider where they came from by investigating the info in your post. (Finding where your OP originated wasn't hard and only took less than a second.
If you trust any info that originated in Russia, I must question which country has your patriotic loyalty, the US or Russia. Of course, yoir OP shows us that you’re following Trump’s lead and example. In Helsinki, he took Putin’s word regarding their part in subverting our 2016 e******n over our own intelligence agencies. I question Trump’s patriotism, too; even far more than your’s. You’re just one of his mindless cult followers who hangs on his every word. He’s the cult leader.[/quote]
******This is my response:
The only good thing about your post is that is verifies that Obama was a part of the decision to force Ukraine into firing the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma, the company H****r B***n is working for being paid over $50,000 per month in a business he has no experience in with a company in a country where he can't even speak the language.
That is important because we now know that about a month prior to Biden threatening to withhold a billion dollars in secured loans from Ukraine unless the fired the prosecutor doing the investigation into his son's company, Burisma contacted the Obama State department asking for help stopping this investigation. The fired prosecutor, Shokin, has given sworn affidavits confirming that he was, indeed, investigating Burisma corruption; Biden has actually claimed there was no investigation going on and he claims to know nothing of his sons business dealings.
Pretty funny in a sad sort of way because now, the democrats are claiming Trump was asking the new Ukraine president to investigate his political opponent, Joe Biden, as if this hadn't happened. Actually, that part is even funnier in an even worse way. For, not only are the democrats turning a blind eye on this corrupt and possibly illegal maneuver on the part of Obama and Biden but they are even taking the position that Biden is shielded from inquiry into this corruption simply because he is a candidate for US president, hoping to run against Trump.
But, as this and other investigations unfold (The IG's and Durham's) and as we head into a time where the republicans can call witnesses and conduct cross exams and depositions, the vast entirety of the democrat's efforts to not only win in 2016 and now, to over throw a sitting president will come into clear focus.
I mean really, I h**e to say it but the democrats are screwed!!!!
Ranger,
One thing for sure, is that your post, above, is itself, an absolute lie, according to Snopes.
“A C-SPAN video (which you failed to include) shows former Vice President Joe Biden confessing that he "bribed" Ukraine to drop the Burisma investigation.A C-SPAN video shows former Vice President Joe Biden confessing that he "bribed" Ukraine to drop the Burisma investigation.
“Rating: False
“Origin
“As an impeachment inquiry into U.S. President Donald Trump’s actions commenced in October 2019, so did partisan invocations of whataboutism — a logical fallacy that involves “a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.”
“One example of such was a video clip posted to C-SPAN’s website on Sept. 21, 2019 under the title “Joe Biden Confesses to Bribery.” The video was accompanied by a caption reading “Former Vice President Joe Biden confesses to being in charge of Ukraine for the Obama Administration, and withholding $1 billion in loan guarantees from the USA to force Ukraine to fire prosecutor who was looking into the company that H****r B***n was receiving $83,000+ PER MONTH from”:
“The user-created clip fostered a false impression by pairing a misleading caption with an excerpt from a much longer video with no context. (The video carries a statement from C-SPAN noting that “This clip, title, and description were not created by C-SPAN.”)
“President Trump has been accused by a whistleblower, and is under a House-led impeachment inquiry, for allegedly attempting to coerce Ukraine into provide damaging information on Trump political rival Joe Biden by withholding crucial military aid from that country. The video on C-SPAN’s website attempted to show Biden, a potential political rival for the presidency in 2020, admitting to a parallel wrongdoing during a trip to Ukraine in 2016:
“In the original video clip, VP Biden said, ‘And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.
‘So they said they had — they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to — or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said — I said, call him. I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a b***h. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.”
The billion dollars Biden was threatening to withhold was $1BILLION in LOAN GUARANTEES, NOT any military aide. I understand thst you don’t have the mental capacity to think for yourself, but this time, really try hard.
The video clip was taken from a portion of a talk Biden gave in January, 2018, at a “Council on Foreign Relations” meeting in Washington, D.C., which was held in conjunction with the publication of the January/February issue of Foreign Affairs magazine. Biden had co-authored an article for that month’s issue with former White House official Michael Carpenter, titled “How to Stand Up to the Kremlin: Defending Democracy Against Its Enemies.”
In the “excerpted” portion of the clip, Biden was discussing his efforts on behalf of the Obama administration to pressure Ukraine into to prosecuting corruption and firing Viktor Shokin, an ineffective (and corrupt) prosecutor.
That effort by Biden has been used by Trump supporters to argue, inaccurately, that Biden single-handedly had Shokin fired because Shokin was investigating Burisma, a Ukrainian group of energy exploration and production companies of which Biden’s son H****r was a board member.
However, Shokin was NOT fired for investigating Burisma, but for his failure to pursue corruption investigations — including investigations connected to Burisma, INSIDE Ukraine. And Biden wasn’t alone in the effort to push Shokin out, but rather was spearheading the Obama administration’s policy, which represented a consensus among diplomats, officials from additional, various European countries, AND the International Monetary Fund that Shokin was an impediment to rooting out corruption in his country, according to Bloomberg Magazine:
Shokin became prosecutor general in February 2015. Over the next year, the U.S. and the International Monetary Fund criticized officials for not doing enough to fight corruption in Ukraine …
The U.S. plan to push for Shokin’s dismissal did NOT, initially, come from Biden, but rather filtered up from officials at the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, according to a person with direct knowledge of the situation. Embassy personnel had called for U.S. loan guarantees to Ukraine to be tied to broader anti-corruption efforts, including Shokin’s dismissal, this person said.
Biden’s threat to withhold $1 billion [in U.S. loan guarantees] if Ukraine didn’t crack down on corruption reportedly came in March [2016]. That same month, hundreds of Ukrainians demonstrated outside President Petro Poroshenko’s office demanding Shokin’s resignation, and he was dismissed. (After Ikrains’s p**********l e******n, Poroshenko fled to Moscow and Putin, where he still is.
Moreover, among the reasons the U.S. and other countries, sought Shokin’s ouster was his failure to assist with or pursue an investigation of Burisma Holdings’ owner, NOT Biden’s son.
H****r B***n joined [Burisma’s] board in April 2014, two months after U.K. authorities requested information from Ukraine as part of a probe against [Burisma Holdings owner Mykola] Zlochevsky related to money laundering allegations. Zlochevsky had been minister of environmental protection under then-President Viktor Yanukovych, who fled to Russia in February 2014 after mass protests.
After the U.K. request, Ukrainian prosecutors opened their own case, accusing Zlochevsky of embezzling public funds. Burisma and Zlochevsky have denied the allegations.
The case against Zlochevsky and his Burisma Holdings was assigned to Shokin, then a deputy prosecutor. But Shokin and others weren’t pursuing it, according to the internal reports from the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office reviewed by Bloomberg.
In a December 2014 letter, U.S. officials warned Ukrainian prosecutors of negative consequences for Ukraine over its failure to assist the U.K., which had seized Zlochevsky’s assets, according to the documents.
Shokin took no action to pursue cases against Zlochevsky throughout 2015, said [Vitaliy] Kasko, who was Shokin’s deputy overseeing international cooperation and helping in asset-recovery investigations. Kasko said he had urged Shokin to pursue the investigations.
“There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky,” Kasko said in an interview. “It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015.”
That’s not to say the former vice president’s 2018 commentary at the Council on Foreign Relations meeting was worded well. Before his remarks morphed into “evidence” for claims that Biden ordered Ukraine to fire Shokin for investigating Burisma, they were picked up by Russian government-controlled outlets such as RT and Sputnik to levy accusations that the Obama administration was engaged in heavy-handed meddling in Ukraine’s affairs.“
A link to the FULL video is below.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/c-span-video-joe-biden-ukraine/
So, “Mr Can’t-tell-the-t***h-from-the-lies-he’s-been-feeding-you-for-way-too-long,” try to dispute the following. Oh, I know you’ll probably say that Snopes.com is just another left-wing propaganda source. But then, that’ll be another BIG lie you told.
You and your fellow wrong-wingers can’t defend the facts that have come out of these CONSTITUTIONAL and LEGALLY SANCTIONED oversight investigations, p,us Mueller’s investigation. So, in your many mindless attempts to try to justify the multiple multitudes of illegal actions committed by your new “savior,” you use one of his own tactics and lie, lie, lie and lie some more, ad nausium. When you tire of lying, you deflect away from the subject, again, ad nausium. When you tire of that, you resort to “whataboutism.” When that doesn’t work, you go to insults and innuendo, again, ad nausium. And, to anyone who has ever debated, when you resort to insults and innuendo is when everyone knows you’ve nothing of substance to provide and are a LOSER, to use one of Trump’s favorite self-descriptive words.
That you and your fellow Trump cultists continue to refuse to leave Trump’s sinking Titanic is proof that your last independent thought died of loneliness many years ago. Enjoy your ride down and try to hold your breath. You’d better begin looking for a life preserver now. Trump’s typical play in these situations (remember, he bankrupted 6 businesses, plea-dealed his way out of 2 federal law suits, has refused to pay many of his contractors, has refused to pay the several cities he’s held political rallies at, beginning since his campaign first began.)
Given these very factual examples, you might want to check for life jackets before too much longer. I’d be very afraid that Trump re-appropriated them for his family only. (You know that he’s real good at re-appropriating things.) That would leave you looking for wooden boards to hang onto. FYI: The Potomac River gets very cold in January.
Again, ”Before his remarks morphed into “evidence” for claims that Biden ordered Ukraine to fire Shokin for investigating Burisma, they were picked up by Russian government-controlled outlets such as RT and Sputnik to levy accusations that the Obama administration was engaged in heavy-handed meddling in Ukraine’s affairs.“
Now, I must ask, did you get this pile of crap you posted from RT or Sputnic? Either one is a Russian controlled “news outlet” used by many of the alt-right outlets in the U.S. In the future, when you post your pile of lies, please consider where they came from by investigating the info in your post. (Finding where your OP originated wasn't hard and only took less than a second.
If you trust any info that originated in Russia, I must question which country has your patriotic loyalty, the US or Russia. Of course, yoir OP shows us that you’re following Trump’s lead and example. In Helsinki, he took Putin’s word regarding their part in subverting our 2016 e******n over our own intelligence agencies. I question Trump’s patriotism, too; even far more than your’s. You’re just one of his mindless cult followers who hangs on his every word. He’s the cult leader.[/quote]
******This is my response:
The only good thing about your post is that is verifies that Obama was a part of the decision to force Ukraine into firing the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma, the company H****r B***n is working for being paid over $50,000 per month in a business he has no experience in with a company in a country where he can't even speak the language.
That is important because we now know that about a month prior to Biden threatening to withhold a billion dollars in secured loans from Ukraine unless the fired the prosecutor doing the investigation into his son's company, Burisma contacted the Obama State department asking for help stopping this investigation. The fired prosecutor, Shokin, has given sworn affidavits confirming that he was, indeed, investigating Burisma corruption; Biden has actually claimed there was no investigation going on and he claims to know nothing of his sons business dealings.
Pretty funny in a sad sort of way because now, the democrats are claiming Trump was asking the new Ukraine president to investigate his political opponent, Joe Biden, as if this hadn't happened. Actually, that part is even funnier in an even worse way. For, not only are the democrats turning a blind eye on this corrupt and possibly illegal maneuver on the part of Obama and Biden but they are even taking the position that Biden is shielded from inquiry into this corruption simply because he is a candidate for US president, hoping to run against Trump.
But, as this and other investigations unfold (The IG's and Durham's) and as we head into a time where the republicans can call witnesses and conduct cross exams and depositions, the vast entirety of the democrat's efforts to not only win in 2016 and now, to over throw a sitting president will come into clear focus.
I mean really, I h**e to say it but the democrats are screwed!!!!
Nov 7, 2019 11:28:29 #
JFlorio
Loc: Seminole Florida
nwtk2007 wrote:
The following is a response to Ranger from another... (show quote)
******This is my response:
The only good thing about your post is that is verifies that Obama was a part of the decision to force Ukraine into firing the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma, the company H****r B***n is working for being paid over $50,000 per month in a business he has no experience in with a company in a country where he can't even speak the language.
That is important because we now know that about a month prior to Biden threatening to withhold a billion dollars in secured loans from Ukraine unless the fired the prosecutor doing the investigation into his son's company, Burisma contacted the Obama State department asking for help stopping this investigation. The fired prosecutor, Shokin, has given sworn affidavits confirming that he was, indeed, investigating Burisma corruption; Biden has actually claimed there was no investigation going on and he claims to know nothing of his sons business dealings.
Pretty funny in a sad sort of way because now, the democrats are claiming Trump was asking the new Ukraine president to investigate his political opponent, Joe Biden, as if this hadn't happened. Actually, that part is even funnier in an even worse way. For, not only are the democrats turning a blind eye on this corrupt and possibly illegal maneuver on the part of Obama and Biden but they are even taking the position that Biden is shielded from inquiry into this corruption simply because he is a candidate for US president, hoping to run against Trump.
But, as this and other investigations unfold (The IG's and Durham's) and as we head into a time where the republicans can call witnesses and conduct cross exams and depositions, the vast entirety of the democrat's efforts to not only win in 2016 and now, to over throw a sitting president will come into clear focus.
I mean really, I h**e to say it but the democrats are screwed!!!![/quote]
If it was any other sector of the American populous I would agree. Politicians get away with malfeasance that would put the rest of us in jail, all the time. See Hillary Clinton: Hillary Clinton checked every box required for a felony violation of Section 793(f) of the federal penal code (Title 18):
Nov 7, 2019 12:11:58 #
Trump is acting like the chief that he is. Anyone appointment by the past 3 administrations cannot be trusted to put America first. Biden's son salaries is enough for me to make a full judgment about who's the swamp creature. And it's not DJT.
ENOUGH is enough. The Democrat losers are going down again because they have shown to be nothing but destructive to great American values and customs.
ENOUGH is enough. The Democrat losers are going down again because they have shown to be nothing but destructive to great American values and customs.
Nov 7, 2019 12:14:11 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
JFlorio wrote:
If it was any other sector of the American populous I would agree. Politicians get away with malfeasance that would put the rest of us in jail, all the time. See Hillary Clinton: Hillary Clinton checked every box required for a felony violation of Section 793(f) of the federal penal code (Title 18):
You could be right but at least as far as the next p**********l e******n, I think they might as well call it a wrap!
Nov 7, 2019 12:15:13 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
Sonny Magoo wrote:
Trump is acting like the chief that he is. Anyone appointment by the past 3 administrations cannot be trusted to put America first. Biden's son salaries is enough for me to make a full judgment about who's the swamp creature. And it's not DJT.
ENOUGH is enough. The Democrat losers are going down again because they have shown to be nothing but destructive to great American values and customs.
ENOUGH is enough. The Democrat losers are going down again because they have shown to be nothing but destructive to great American values and customs.
Agree. Hell, H****r even said he regretted becoming a part of the swamp.
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