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Nov 7, 2019 17:34:12   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
rumitoid wrote:
The reasoning will go like this for his supporters and maybe others: If the transcript makes him look guilty, why insist people read it? That makes no sense. Ergo, it is just a stunt by democrats and there is no reason to read it. Just trust the president.

However, President Donald Trump's latest defense in the impeachment inquiry is to call on people to "read the transcript" of his July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

But legal experts say the transcript, which is actually a summary of the call and not a verbatim record, is one of the most damning pieces of evidence against Trump.

"This is not hearsay, these are his own words," Asha Rangappa, a lawyer and former FBI special agent told Insider. "What we hear him doing is using congressionally authorized aid as personal leverage for an e******n benefit."

Rangappa said Trump is trying to "normalize the call" and his insistence that the conversation was "perfect" amounts to a "Jedi mind trick."

resident Donald Trump has echoed this over and over in recent days while continuing to insist he's done nothing wrong amid the escalating impeachment inquiry.

Trump seemingly believes a memo the White House released on his July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is exonerating, but legal experts say it's an extremely damning piece of evidence and that releasing it could be the biggest mistake the administration has made in the escalating scandal.

The document, which contrary to Trump's characterization is not a verbatim transcript but a summary of the call, shows Trump urging a foreign leader to investigate a top political rival. This could constitute an abuse of power that undermines US national security.

The so-called transcript is also corroborated by other documents and witness testimony in the impeachment inquiry that Trump has sought to discredit. To put it another way, Trump handed investigators evidence that could potentially be instrumental in him becoming the third president to be impeached.

Asha Rangappa, a lawyer, former FBI special agent, and Yale lecturer, told Insider the White House summary on the call "is one of the most damning pieces of evidence we've received."

"This is not hearsay, these are his own words," Rangappa added. "And what we hear him doing is using congressionally authorized aid as personal leverage for an e******n benefit."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wants-people-read-one-184800387.html
The reasoning will go like this for his supporters... (show quote)


I'm not a lawyer, just a proofreader and I read it carefully. No quid pro quo. I was unaware Ukrainians could v**e for an American president.

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Nov 7, 2019 17:45:12   #
rumitoid
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Oh good grief, there are just as many "legal experts" who say the transcript exonerates President Trump. What is a fact is Schiff outright lied when he pretended to read the transcript, and he made the whole thing up. THAT of course is just fine with you l*****ts because for you the end always justifies the corrupt means


That is so sad. Produce the "legal experts" and I will produce a number of transcripts that support quid pro quo. Okay?

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Nov 7, 2019 17:47:01   #
rumitoid
 
kemmer wrote:
Hahahahaha.... At the top of the "transcript", it says in red block letters, THIS IS NOT A TRANSCRIPT.
It's simply a summary.


Yes, and that, too, is convicting...if you read it you would know that.

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Nov 7, 2019 17:48:42   #
rumitoid
 
nonalien1 wrote:
If the transcript is the most damaging evidence against him, I say case dismissed back to work. GO. TRUMP!!


Sad that you probably see yourself as a patriot for your support of the president.

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Nov 7, 2019 17:49:51   #
rumitoid
 
CarryOn wrote:
Your first paragraph makes no sense. So it's "trouble for Trump" if people DO NOT read all the transcripts, but better for the dems if the whole of the testimony is revealed. Hmmm ….

What the Republicans want is fairness and t***sparency. The dems are now allowing testimony of all future witnesses to be done in public …. but it makes all of us wonder why the first witnesses were deposed in secret. Even if the written testimony of those early witnesses is made public, it doesn't speak to the limitations placed on Republicans in their questioning or the potential witness coaching by shifty ….. nor does it allow the public to actually watch the witnesses respond … which is often more revealing than the verbal response itself.

None of this will matter when it gets to the Senate, because all of shifty's shenanigans will be exposed and the dems will be revealed for the sorry ass, biased, unethical, immoral, Trump-hating fools that they are … no transcripts needed for that revelation.
Your first paragraph makes no sense. So it's &quo... (show quote)


Your t***slation is the opposite of what I said.

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Nov 7, 2019 17:50:47   #
rumitoid
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Exactly. Are the former witnesses going to be recalled, (the Democrat/socialists sure don't mind recalling President Trump's appointees and associates,) so the Republicans can publicly question them?


Yes, in the now engaged investigative phase.

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Nov 7, 2019 17:52:04   #
rumitoid
 
CarryOn wrote:
If shifty does not allow them to be recalled in the House investigations, then I hope the Senate can call them for a very public grilling …. if it even gets that far ….


They are already on the agenda: where do you get your slewed news?

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Nov 7, 2019 17:58:52   #
rumitoid
 
CarryOn wrote:
FYI He did end up reading the testimony (which should make you feel infinitely better), and his conclusion is that the administration’s Ukraine policy was too 'incoherent' for it to have orchestrated the quid pro quo that is at the heart of the probe.

His exact words were:

"What I can tell you about the Trump policy toward the Ukraine, it was incoherent. It depends on who you talk to. They seem to be incapable of forming a quid pro quo."

He did not call Trump stupid. While it obviously was not meant as a compliment, he appeared to be referring to the group of witnesses called by shifty and their "incoherent" testimonies.
FYI He did end up reading the testimony (which sho... (show quote)


That Graham read the testimony is either a bogus "news story" you got from some far Right blog or you lie. Graham just said yesterday that he will NOT read any of the numerous transcripts supporting the charge of quid pro quo, after saying saying show me the evidence and I will pursue it. For him, without reading the evidence, he dismisses the charges.

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Nov 7, 2019 18:02:36   #
rumitoid
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
I'm not a lawyer, just a proofreader and I read it carefully. No quid pro quo. I was unaware Ukrainians could v**e for an American president.


As a proofreader that reads carefully, the whole point you missed is not about a Ukrainian v****g for an American president but undermining the democratic process to attack a political rival, at the urging of the president. The freaking president!

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Nov 7, 2019 19:18:58   #
CarryOn
 
rumitoid wrote:
Your t***slation is the opposite of what I said.


Nope. Your comment is exactly what I said it was … perhaps not what YOU meant … but what YOU wrote ….

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Nov 7, 2019 19:23:07   #
CarryOn
 
rumitoid wrote:
That Graham read the testimony is either a bogus "news story" you got from some far Right blog or you lie. Graham just said yesterday that he will NOT read any of the numerous transcripts supporting the charge of quid pro quo, after saying saying show me the evidence and I will pursue it. For him, without reading the evidence, he dismisses the charges.


https://news.yahoo.com/graham-trump-ukraine-incoherent-quid-pro-quo-192210175.html

A day after saying he wouldn’t bother reading the transcripts released by House Democrats in the impeachment inquiry into President Trump, Sen. Lindsay Graham, R-S.C., now says he did read the testimony, and his conclusion is that the administration’s Ukraine policy was too “incoherent” for it to have orchestrated the quid pro quo that is at the heart of the probe.

Testimony released Tuesday included depositions from Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union, and Kurt Volker, the former special envoy to Ukraine. A revised statement from Sondland, correcting his earlier testimony, acknowledged that he “spoke individually” with a top Ukrainian official and conveyed what Trump was demanding from Kiev in exchange for military and other aid already approved by Congress.

Graham, who two weeks ago said he would consider new evidence in the impeachment probe, initially said he had no plans to read their testimony.

“I’ve written the whole process off,” he told reporters Tuesday. “I think this is a bunch of BS.”

On Wednesday, Graham said he had, in fact, read the transcripts.

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Nov 7, 2019 19:24:11   #
CarryOn
 
rumitoid wrote:
They are already on the agenda: where do you get your slewed news?


Well, then, if they are already on the agenda … that is good news, indeed ….

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Nov 7, 2019 19:47:47   #
kemmer
 
CarryOn wrote:

On Wednesday, Graham said he had, in fact, read the transcripts.[/i]

Like McConnell, he indicated he would acquit Trump regardless, so that’s immaterial.

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Nov 7, 2019 22:04:38   #
Ricktloml
 
rumitoid wrote:
That is so sad. Produce the "legal experts" and I will produce a number of transcripts that support quid pro quo. Okay?


YOU will produce transcripts. So you work for Schiff. And it isn't sad it's sickening that an Obama/Brennan/Biden/Democrat/socialist Party operative whose lawyer was tweeting in 2017 that "the c**p has started", "impeachment will follow ultimately" and "as one falls, two or more take their place". Wonder which one of those two this cabal member is. As the glaring evidence of this coordinated c**p attempt continues to pour out, you would think the obvious would become, well, obvious. But when you are a sore loser filled with h**e, it's impossible to be fair

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Nov 7, 2019 22:26:48   #
kemmer
 
Ricktloml wrote:
YOU will produce transcripts. So you work for Schiff. And it isn't sad it's sickening that an Obama/Brennan/Biden/Democrat/socialist Party operative whose lawyer was tweeting in 2017 that "the c**p has started", "impeachment will follow ultimately" and "as one falls, two or more take their place". Wonder which one of those two this cabal member is. As the glaring evidence of this coordinated c**p attempt continues to pour out, you would think the obvious would become, well, obvious. But when you are a sore loser filled with h**e, it's impossible to be fair
YOU will produce transcripts. So you work for Schi... (show quote)

Three watchwords of the Trump administration forever will be “c**p”, “treason”, and “f**e news”. That is so incredibly sad.

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