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Oct 29, 2019 10:08:27   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Top Republicans say impeachment resolution is too little too late

Top Republicans in the House said Monday that Democratic leadership's decision to bring a resolution on impeachment procedures to the floor on Thursday is too little too late.

Since Democrats announced their plans to move forward with a formal impeachment inquiry five weeks ago, Republicans have hammered their colleagues across the aisle on procedure, arguing the process Democrats have conducted lacks t***sparency and is illegitimate since the full House did not authorize the inquiry in a floor v**e.

The news of the upcoming resolution, however, did little to appease them.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said Monday the resolution "proves everything we were saying was correct," telling reporters that Pelosi should have launched the impeachment inquiry with a v**e and answered the questions he laid out in a letter on the rules of the probe earlier in the process. McCarthy argued that Republicans had been denied fair proceedings for weeks.

"Did you ever get to cross-examine? Did you get to have a witness, to bring a witness in?" he said, adding that he doesn't believe House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) should be leading the investigation. He said the new measure "now proves that they were wrong from the start."

House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) said he doesn't believe the measure will help bring t***sparency to the process as House Rules Committee Chairman Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) - who is slated to introduce the measure on Tuesday - said it is intended to do, blasting Democrats for opting to hold the hearings behind closed doors and allowing only members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, House Intelligence Committee, and House Oversight and Reform Committee to attend the depositions.

"From what we're hearing, it sounds like all they're trying to do is codify the Soviet-style impeachment process that they've been running where they don't let both sides called witnesses," he said. "It's all Adam Schiff's personal show to try to build a case of innuendo because they don't have any real facts."

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) — a member of the House Judiciary Committee who led a group of Republicans to storm the sensitive compartmented information facility last week in protest of the closed-door hearings — said he believes the decision to bring a measure to the floor is a direct result of Republicans' calls to open up the process.

"I think that Nancy Pelosi is not someone who usually calls audibles, and the fact that she's calling an audible here, adopting as her message for the week something that she referred to just weeks ago as a Republican talking point, indicates that they were feeling the heat," he told The Hill.

Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.) said he still needs to see the text of the resolution Democrats plan to put forward but said he feels the v**e is long overdue.

"We'll see what the resolution looks like, as I've been saying this entire time with regards to the ability for the minority party to call witnesses, to have an equal allocation of staffing, for all of the transcripts to be released to not just members of Congress but to the American public," he said.

"For the president to be able to have council president to cross-examine witnesses, present evidence, exert executive privilege when appropriate, and more — there's a lot that I have been talking about this entire process that should have been corrected a few weeks ago," he added.

Zeldin, a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said he's frustrated that the current rules prevent members in attendance at the hearings from talking about the substance from witnesses' testimonies, alleging that Schiff is selectively leaking and breaking his own rules by talking about the testimonies on television.

On Sept. 25, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi initiated an impeachment inquiry against President Trump, following a whistleblower complaint over his dealings with Ukraine.

"One of the concerns that I have with the cherry-picked leaks and withholding of key information is that I am abiding by these rules," he said. "I am told that if I don't abide by the rules it's a violation of House rules and an ethics complaint can be filed, and the people who are lecturing me about what the rules are and what the consequences are then go on to a Sunday morning news show and then leak the substance of information."

In a letter to members of her caucus on Monday, Pelosi said that while she does not believe they need to hold a v**e to legitimize the impeachment inquiry, it could help provide them with leverage as the White House attempts to stonewall the inquiry.

"This resolution establishes the procedure for hearings that are open to the American people, authorizes the disclosure of deposition transcripts, outlines procedures to t***sfer evidence to the Judiciary Committee as it considers potential articles of impeachment, and sets forth due process rights for the President and his Counsel," she wrote.

"We are taking this step to eliminate any doubt as to whether the Trump Administration may withhold documents, prevent witness testimony, disregard duly authorized subpoenas, or continue obstructing the House of Representatives," she added.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-republicans-say-impeachment-resolution-is-too-little-too-late/ar-AAJv6ha?ocid=spartandhp

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Oct 29, 2019 10:11:34   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
slatten49 wrote:
Top Republicans say impeachment resolution is too little too late

Top Republicans in the House said Monday that Democratic leadership's decision to bring a resolution on impeachment procedures to the floor on Thursday is too little too late.

Since Democrats announced their plans to move forward with a formal impeachment inquiry five weeks ago, Republicans have hammered their colleagues across the aisle on procedure, arguing the process Democrats have conducted lacks t***sparency and is illegitimate since the full House did not authorize the inquiry in a floor v**e.

The news of the upcoming resolution, however, did little to appease them.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said Monday the resolution "proves everything we were saying was correct," telling reporters that Pelosi should have launched the impeachment inquiry with a v**e and answered the questions he laid out in a letter on the rules of the probe earlier in the process. McCarthy argued that Republicans had been denied fair proceedings for weeks.

"Did you ever get to cross-examine? Did you get to have a witness, to bring a witness in?" he said, adding that he doesn't believe House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) should be leading the investigation. He said the new measure "now proves that they were wrong from the start."

House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) said he doesn't believe the measure will help bring t***sparency to the process as House Rules Committee Chairman Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) - who is slated to introduce the measure on Tuesday - said it is intended to do, blasting Democrats for opting to hold the hearings behind closed doors and allowing only members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, House Intelligence Committee, and House Oversight and Reform Committee to attend the depositions.

"From what we're hearing, it sounds like all they're trying to do is codify the Soviet-style impeachment process that they've been running where they don't let both sides called witnesses," he said. "It's all Adam Schiff's personal show to try to build a case of innuendo because they don't have any real facts."

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) — a member of the House Judiciary Committee who led a group of Republicans to storm the sensitive compartmented information facility last week in protest of the closed-door hearings — said he believes the decision to bring a measure to the floor is a direct result of Republicans' calls to open up the process.

"I think that Nancy Pelosi is not someone who usually calls audibles, and the fact that she's calling an audible here, adopting as her message for the week something that she referred to just weeks ago as a Republican talking point, indicates that they were feeling the heat," he told The Hill.

Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.) said he still needs to see the text of the resolution Democrats plan to put forward but said he feels the v**e is long overdue.

"We'll see what the resolution looks like, as I've been saying this entire time with regards to the ability for the minority party to call witnesses, to have an equal allocation of staffing, for all of the transcripts to be released to not just members of Congress but to the American public," he said.

"For the president to be able to have council president to cross-examine witnesses, present evidence, exert executive privilege when appropriate, and more — there's a lot that I have been talking about this entire process that should have been corrected a few weeks ago," he added.

Zeldin, a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said he's frustrated that the current rules prevent members in attendance at the hearings from talking about the substance from witnesses' testimonies, alleging that Schiff is selectively leaking and breaking his own rules by talking about the testimonies on television.

On Sept. 25, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi initiated an impeachment inquiry against President Trump, following a whistleblower complaint over his dealings with Ukraine.

"One of the concerns that I have with the cherry-picked leaks and withholding of key information is that I am abiding by these rules," he said. "I am told that if I don't abide by the rules it's a violation of House rules and an ethics complaint can be filed, and the people who are lecturing me about what the rules are and what the consequences are then go on to a Sunday morning news show and then leak the substance of information."

In a letter to members of her caucus on Monday, Pelosi said that while she does not believe they need to hold a v**e to legitimize the impeachment inquiry, it could help provide them with leverage as the White House attempts to stonewall the inquiry.

"This resolution establishes the procedure for hearings that are open to the American people, authorizes the disclosure of deposition transcripts, outlines procedures to t***sfer evidence to the Judiciary Committee as it considers potential articles of impeachment, and sets forth due process rights for the President and his Counsel," she wrote.

"We are taking this step to eliminate any doubt as to whether the Trump Administration may withhold documents, prevent witness testimony, disregard duly authorized subpoenas, or continue obstructing the House of Representatives," she added.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-republicans-say-impeachment-resolution-is-too-little-too-late/ar-AAJv6ha?ocid=spartandhp
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Kinda get the feeling somebody called somebody's bluff

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Oct 29, 2019 10:20:25   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Kinda get the feeling somebody called somebody's bluff

I sort'a get the feeling that neither side would happy with what the other does...short of total acquiescence to their viewpoint or stance.

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Oct 29, 2019 10:21:46   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
slatten49 wrote:
I sort'a get the feeling that neither side would happy with what the other does...short of total acquiescence to their viewpoint or stance.


I still haven't figured out who was bluffing

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Oct 29, 2019 10:22:47   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
slatten49 wrote:
I sort'a get the feeling that neither side would happy with what the other does...short of total acquiescence to their viewpoint or stance.


But I agree... One almost gets the impression that if the Democrats started supporting Trump the Republicans would impeach him

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Oct 29, 2019 10:29:08   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
But I agree... One almost gets the impression that if the Democrats started supporting Trump the Republicans would impeach him

Possibly, depending upon exactly why democrats could start supporting him.

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Oct 29, 2019 10:29:38   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
slatten49 wrote:
Possibly...depending upon exactly why democrats could start supporting him.


Maybe Hillary will run again

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Oct 29, 2019 10:45:40   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Maybe Hillary will run again

Despite some prognostications, I don't see that happening...nor, should it.

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Oct 29, 2019 10:47:18   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
slatten49 wrote:
Top Republicans say impeachment resolution is too little too late

Top Republicans in the House said Monday that Democratic leadership's decision to bring a resolution on impeachment procedures to the floor on Thursday is too little too late.

Since Democrats announced their plans to move forward with a formal impeachment inquiry five weeks ago, Republicans have hammered their colleagues across the aisle on procedure, arguing the process Democrats have conducted lacks t***sparency and is illegitimate since the full House did not authorize the inquiry in a floor v**e.

The news of the upcoming resolution, however, did little to appease them.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said Monday the resolution "proves everything we were saying was correct," telling reporters that Pelosi should have launched the impeachment inquiry with a v**e and answered the questions he laid out in a letter on the rules of the probe earlier in the process. McCarthy argued that Republicans had been denied fair proceedings for weeks.

"Did you ever get to cross-examine? Did you get to have a witness, to bring a witness in?" he said, adding that he doesn't believe House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) should be leading the investigation. He said the new measure "now proves that they were wrong from the start."

House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) said he doesn't believe the measure will help bring t***sparency to the process as House Rules Committee Chairman Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) - who is slated to introduce the measure on Tuesday - said it is intended to do, blasting Democrats for opting to hold the hearings behind closed doors and allowing only members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, House Intelligence Committee, and House Oversight and Reform Committee to attend the depositions.

"From what we're hearing, it sounds like all they're trying to do is codify the Soviet-style impeachment process that they've been running where they don't let both sides called witnesses," he said. "It's all Adam Schiff's personal show to try to build a case of innuendo because they don't have any real facts."

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) — a member of the House Judiciary Committee who led a group of Republicans to storm the sensitive compartmented information facility last week in protest of the closed-door hearings — said he believes the decision to bring a measure to the floor is a direct result of Republicans' calls to open up the process.

"I think that Nancy Pelosi is not someone who usually calls audibles, and the fact that she's calling an audible here, adopting as her message for the week something that she referred to just weeks ago as a Republican talking point, indicates that they were feeling the heat," he told The Hill.

Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.) said he still needs to see the text of the resolution Democrats plan to put forward but said he feels the v**e is long overdue.

"We'll see what the resolution looks like, as I've been saying this entire time with regards to the ability for the minority party to call witnesses, to have an equal allocation of staffing, for all of the transcripts to be released to not just members of Congress but to the American public," he said.

"For the president to be able to have council president to cross-examine witnesses, present evidence, exert executive privilege when appropriate, and more — there's a lot that I have been talking about this entire process that should have been corrected a few weeks ago," he added.

Zeldin, a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said he's frustrated that the current rules prevent members in attendance at the hearings from talking about the substance from witnesses' testimonies, alleging that Schiff is selectively leaking and breaking his own rules by talking about the testimonies on television.

On Sept. 25, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi initiated an impeachment inquiry against President Trump, following a whistleblower complaint over his dealings with Ukraine.

"One of the concerns that I have with the cherry-picked leaks and withholding of key information is that I am abiding by these rules," he said. "I am told that if I don't abide by the rules it's a violation of House rules and an ethics complaint can be filed, and the people who are lecturing me about what the rules are and what the consequences are then go on to a Sunday morning news show and then leak the substance of information."

In a letter to members of her caucus on Monday, Pelosi said that while she does not believe they need to hold a v**e to legitimize the impeachment inquiry, it could help provide them with leverage as the White House attempts to stonewall the inquiry.

"This resolution establishes the procedure for hearings that are open to the American people, authorizes the disclosure of deposition transcripts, outlines procedures to t***sfer evidence to the Judiciary Committee as it considers potential articles of impeachment, and sets forth due process rights for the President and his Counsel," she wrote.

"We are taking this step to eliminate any doubt as to whether the Trump Administration may withhold documents, prevent witness testimony, disregard duly authorized subpoenas, or continue obstructing the House of Representatives," she added.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-republicans-say-impeachment-resolution-is-too-little-too-late/ar-AAJv6ha?ocid=spartandhp
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I'm not surprised by the Republican response. We have an administration that is starting to argue that the laws don't apply to it. We are back to the Nixon argument: if the President does it it's not illegal.

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/29/18644304/trump-fifth-avenue-mazars-vance-constitution

"Too little, too late" is just another hiccup in the road to a constitutional crisis that will be up to the American people to solve in 2020. It's pretty clear that the party of Trump thinks we elected a king (never mind that kings aren't elected). It's also pretty clear that Trump himself sees his e******n as a c****ation. He runs the country.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/16/donald-trump-abc-news-interview-1365853

It seems to irk the party of Trump that the folks who did not v**e for the President didn't just disappear, or fall in line. Well, we're still here and I think in 2020 Donald Trump will learn a lesson that he shouldn't have to learn. Americans don't like kings.

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Oct 29, 2019 11:00:35   #
Liberty Tree
 
working class stiff wrote:
I'm not surprised by the Republican response. We have an administration that is starting to argue that the laws don't apply to it. We are back to the Nixon argument: if the President does it it's not illegal.

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/29/18644304/trump-fifth-avenue-mazars-vance-constitution

"Too little, too late" is just another hiccup in the road to a constitutional crisis that will be up to the American people to solve in 2020. It's pretty clear that the party of Trump thinks we elected a king (never mind that kings aren't elected). It's also pretty clear that Trump himself sees his e******n as a c****ation. He runs the country.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/16/donald-trump-abc-news-interview-1365853

It seems to irk the party of Trump that the folks who did not v**e for the President didn't just disappear, or fall in line. Well, we're still here and I think in 2020 Donald Trump will learn a lesson that he shouldn't have to learn. Americans don't like kings.
I'm not surprised by the Republican response. We... (show quote)


They dislike anarchists even less.

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Oct 29, 2019 11:01:16   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
They dislike anarchists even less.


Huh?

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Oct 29, 2019 11:02:59   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Huh?


Anarchist: any American who doesn't worship at the Trump temple.

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Oct 29, 2019 11:04:16   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Top Republicans say impeachment resolution is too little too late

Top Republicans in the House said Monday that Democratic leadership's decision to bring a resolution on impeachment procedures to the floor on Thursday is too little too late.

Since Democrats announced their plans to move forward with a formal impeachment inquiry five weeks ago, Republicans have hammered their colleagues across the aisle on procedure, arguing the process Democrats have conducted lacks t***sparency and is illegitimate since the full House did not authorize the inquiry in a floor v**e.

The news of the upcoming resolution, however, did little to appease them.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said Monday the resolution "proves everything we were saying was correct," telling reporters that Pelosi should have launched the impeachment inquiry with a v**e and answered the questions he laid out in a letter on the rules of the probe earlier in the process. McCarthy argued that Republicans had been denied fair proceedings for weeks.

"Did you ever get to cross-examine? Did you get to have a witness, to bring a witness in?" he said, adding that he doesn't believe House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) should be leading the investigation. He said the new measure "now proves that they were wrong from the start."

House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) said he doesn't believe the measure will help bring t***sparency to the process as House Rules Committee Chairman Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) - who is slated to introduce the measure on Tuesday - said it is intended to do, blasting Democrats for opting to hold the hearings behind closed doors and allowing only members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, House Intelligence Committee, and House Oversight and Reform Committee to attend the depositions.

"From what we're hearing, it sounds like all they're trying to do is codify the Soviet-style impeachment process that they've been running where they don't let both sides called witnesses," he said. "It's all Adam Schiff's personal show to try to build a case of innuendo because they don't have any real facts."

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) — a member of the House Judiciary Committee who led a group of Republicans to storm the sensitive compartmented information facility last week in protest of the closed-door hearings — said he believes the decision to bring a measure to the floor is a direct result of Republicans' calls to open up the process.

"I think that Nancy Pelosi is not someone who usually calls audibles, and the fact that she's calling an audible here, adopting as her message for the week something that she referred to just weeks ago as a Republican talking point, indicates that they were feeling the heat," he told The Hill.

Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.) said he still needs to see the text of the resolution Democrats plan to put forward but said he feels the v**e is long overdue.

"We'll see what the resolution looks like, as I've been saying this entire time with regards to the ability for the minority party to call witnesses, to have an equal allocation of staffing, for all of the transcripts to be released to not just members of Congress but to the American public," he said.

"For the president to be able to have council president to cross-examine witnesses, present evidence, exert executive privilege when appropriate, and more — there's a lot that I have been talking about this entire process that should have been corrected a few weeks ago," he added.

Zeldin, a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said he's frustrated that the current rules prevent members in attendance at the hearings from talking about the substance from witnesses' testimonies, alleging that Schiff is selectively leaking and breaking his own rules by talking about the testimonies on television.

On Sept. 25, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi initiated an impeachment inquiry against President Trump, following a whistleblower complaint over his dealings with Ukraine.

"One of the concerns that I have with the cherry-picked leaks and withholding of key information is that I am abiding by these rules," he said. "I am told that if I don't abide by the rules it's a violation of House rules and an ethics complaint can be filed, and the people who are lecturing me about what the rules are and what the consequences are then go on to a Sunday morning news show and then leak the substance of information."

In a letter to members of her caucus on Monday, Pelosi said that while she does not believe they need to hold a v**e to legitimize the impeachment inquiry, it could help provide them with leverage as the White House attempts to stonewall the inquiry.

"This resolution establishes the procedure for hearings that are open to the American people, authorizes the disclosure of deposition transcripts, outlines procedures to t***sfer evidence to the Judiciary Committee as it considers potential articles of impeachment, and sets forth due process rights for the President and his Counsel," she wrote.

"We are taking this step to eliminate any doubt as to whether the Trump Administration may withhold documents, prevent witness testimony, disregard duly authorized subpoenas, or continue obstructing the House of Representatives," she added.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-republicans-say-impeachment-resolution-is-too-little-too-late/ar-AAJv6ha?ocid=spartandhp
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I was wondering what excuse they'd use for their continued stonewalling once they got their full house v**e, now we know. I'm kinda thinking that it didn't matter WHAT Democrats did or didn't do, the Republican response would be the same.

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Oct 29, 2019 11:04:30   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
They dislike anarchists even less.


They dislike anarchists even less than the Trump administration? Sounds like good news.

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Oct 29, 2019 11:05:19   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
working class stiff wrote:
Anarchist: any American who doesn't worship at the Trump temple.


His statement made no sense...

Americans dislike anarchists even less?

That equates with being supportive of anarchists...

I am doubtful the majority of Americans support anarchy...

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