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Oct 20, 2019 19:21:21   #
debeda
 
bggamers wrote:
From some of the things I've read today, we may need them here to protect the home front. Funny how upset the democrats are about dont u think.


For sure

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Oct 20, 2019 19:25:07   #
2quick4u Loc: Somewhere in central Tx...
 
elcobre wrote:
Mr. Obama never belief or accepted that there was a War against Islamists terrorists!
And he even prohibited the use of the word islamists whenever there was a mention of terrorisms! Why?

Obama, then apologize to the World for the bad things this country had done in the past! And promised things would changed!


Hector-obama openly oozed disrespect for the U.S. throughout his entire 8 yr reign. His 'community organizing' sk**ls obviously served him well during this time. Let us not forget that along with his despicable 'apology tours' he also reignited old racial tensions whenever possible within our borders too..most of the time by blatantly misusing the DOJ (when his cronies holder and lynch were in charge) by routinely sending in overbearing fed oversight. This also had the side effect of creating a general distrust of our entire law enforcement community, too. During this whole ordeal, his sycophantic and idealistic supporters-like Wile E Coyote* (my fitting moniker for a particular lone poster above)-obediently cheered him on. You can't help but notice how he (Wile) comes here and makes his bombastic accusations..somebody like you set's him 'straight' with some actual reasonably supported facts..and then it's crickets from him until he can find another opportunity (typically on another thread) to spread his now exposed blatant misrepresentations again (even though his flawed charges were absolutely exposed elsewhere). It's a full time job having to correct and remind him of this, over and over and over and over...

*BTW..just in case you didn't know..Wile E Coyote was the unfortunate sub character in a long running and very funny cartoon involving a very astute and energetic roadrunner..who routinely exposed the obvious shortcomings of a very gullible coyote named Wile. The roadrunner-who is the star of this show-fittingly reminds me of DJT, too... Anyway, Wile was blindly consumed with 'catching' this incredibly smart and nimble land locked bird-the roadrunner. Unfortunately, all of Wile's nefarious calculating schemes at some point always blew up in his face (which accurately parallels our dimocrat party and their pitiful obsessions/infatuations with removing a sitting president whom they all openly despise).

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Oct 20, 2019 19:39:21   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
elcobre wrote:
Few of the things that Obama did in foreign policy;

One of the first things that Obama did as President was to accused the previous administration of torturers! That was and still is a lie!

Of course, anything may be defined as torture, but compare and accuse your own country with real torturers and assassins in time fo war it is outrageous, specially knowing that wh**ever CIA agents were doing in time of War was approved in advance by Democrats and Republicans members of Congress!


Mr. Obama never belief or accepted that there was a War against Islamists terrorists!
And he even prohibited the use of the word islamists whenever there was a mention of terrorisms! Why?


Obama, then apologize to the World for the bad things this country had done in the past! And promised things would changed!

What about the good things done for this country?

Did Obama ever believe of the good of this country? Not just as a country itself, but defending democracy and the good of the western world?
Apparently, Obama was ashamed instead of proud of this country!

Obama, against the advice of all generals!
And against “common sense” withdraw in a precipitated way from Iraq! and why?

Obama disregard any and every advise and withdraw from Iraq!

Because of what Obama did then; it happened as he was warned!

Iraq got into chaos, insurgents from Iran and Syria got into action!
And ISIS was born!

Obama was definitely the “guilty one” in all of this!

However, “the Pres never said anything about it” on the contrary, they are now comparing Trump’s US troops withdrawal from Syria from that calamitous actions from Obama.

It is simple unbelievable!
All Trump did, and is doing is cleaning all the dirt created by Obama!

Libya and Gaddafi at the time Obama took the presidency were allies of this country against the War to islamists terrorists.

Gaddafi was a real great help against terrorists, because he was there before, he knew them better than anybody else.

However, Obama side with the jihadis!
And, it should be known that the worst islamists terrorists came from the jihadis.

Obama made a case against an allied against terrorisms, Libya!

And he succeeded. Gaddafi was k**led and another chaos was created by Mr. Obama!

The chaos because of what Obama did in Libya happened!

Terrorists took control, however, Mr. Obama and Clinton decided to ignore what was happening and were reporting that Libya was stable.

And they even opened an embassy in B******i pretending things were normal.
And even WORSE, Obama ignored the requested for better or more security from the ambassador!

The embassy in B******i was attacked by terrorists and the ambassador was k**led along with three other americans.

However, perhaps we should say that things got even worse! Obama and Clinton decided to lie about it, thought they’ve been lying for a long time!

But now Obama was blaming a video that has absolutely nothing to do with it!

Obama continued to lie about it because the e******ns were very close and he could not afford those negatives news!

Those evidences showed that Obama care more for the upcoming e******ns than the lives of Americans k**led in B******i!

And of course, the Media followed up with those repugnant lies!

Mr. Obama embarrassed himself and the United States with the swap of the four worse terrorists detained in Guantanamo Prison Camp for a desertor! (those all four terrorists are back now as fighters as islamists terrorists!) in spite of Obama’s assurance of not happening in the future!

And again, even worse, Mr. Obama received that t*****r at the White House as a hero! pretending that he didn’t know “something that everybody knew” Because members of his unit were saying that.

And to this point he hasn’t said anything negative about the deserter!

So, it seems Obama wasn’t pretending, he just didn’t want to listen to the soldiers, or look to the evidence!

Obama’s action shows(or makes you think) that he believed that Bowe Bergdahl was a hero for what he did; Abandon his post and declare himself anti-american!

At time of War a desertion is punishable with death!

However, Mr. Obama prohibited to use the term islamists terrorists! And then, he shows sympathy for a desertor!

Obama side with the biggest supporter of terrorisms and declared enemy of this country; Iran! Instead of giving support to the opposition inside! at the moment when they most need it!

Mr. Obama made “a deal” with Iran (a declared enemy and biggest supporter of terrorism who openly wish the destruction of Israel and the United States) without congressional approval! because it was not a deal!

“It was worse than a concession” he lifted all the sanctions and open the door to Iran not just to get nuclear weapons, but to become in the future “not too far away” a nuclear power.

Under the U.S. Constitution the White House did not have the authority to make such a deal unless it is approved by Congress.
Obama did it anyway, against the advice of the majority in the Congress and our only real friend in the Middle East; Israel.

But, it even got worse; “Obama gave Iran over a billion dollars in “frozen assets” Well, to be specific $1.7 billion as settlement of a $400 million claim for U.S. arms sales “35 years ago” (according to them) because it happens to be at the same time Tehran was announcing the release of Americans who had been held hostage in Iran for years”

“It was clearly ransom, and of course the Obama administration denied it, however it was discovered that the payment was made in secret bundles of foreign cash, so that proved the State Department (Obama) lied”.

It was and it is a disgraced what Mr. Obama did!

However, the Media not only ignored all of that, they presented it and still side with Obama as a good deal! What a shame!

Was Obama a t*****r?

Should Mr. Obama be investigated for treason?
Few of the things that Obama did in foreign policy... (show quote)


Good post thank you and yes he needs to be investigated with all the rest

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Oct 20, 2019 20:21:35   #
debeda
 
2quick4u wrote:
Hector-obama openly oozed disrespect for the U.S. throughout his entire 8 yr reign. His 'community organizing' sk**ls obviously served him well during this time. Let us not forget that along with his despicable 'apology tours' he also reignited old racial tensions whenever possible within our borders too..most of the time by blatantly misusing the DOJ (when his cronies holder and lynch were in charge) by routinely sending in overbearing fed oversight. This also had the side effect of creating a general distrust of our entire law enforcement community, too. During this whole ordeal, his sycophantic and idealistic supporters-like Wile E Coyote* (my fitting moniker for a particular lone poster above)-obediently cheered him on. You can't help but notice how he (Wile) comes here and makes his bombastic accusations..somebody like you set's him 'straight' with some actual reasonably supported facts..and then it's crickets from him until he can find another opportunity (typically on another thread) to spread his now exposed blatant misrepresentations again (even though his flawed charges were absolutely exposed elsewhere). It's a full time job having to correct and remind him of this, over and over and over and over...

*BTW..just in case you didn't know..Wile E Coyote was the unfortunate sub character in a long running and very funny cartoon involving a very astute and energetic roadrunner..who routinely exposed the obvious shortcomings of a very gullible coyote named Wile. The roadrunner-who is the star of this show-fittingly reminds me of DJT, too... Anyway, Wile was blindly consumed with 'catching' this incredibly smart and nimble land locked bird-the roadrunner. Unfortunately, all of Wile's nefarious calculating schemes at some point always blew up in his face (which accurately parallels our dimocrat party and their pitiful obsessions/infatuations with removing a sitting president whom they all openly despise).
Hector-obama openly oozed disrespect for the U.S. ... (show quote)


True, true and TRUE

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Oct 21, 2019 03:44:23   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
elcobre wrote:
Who is more to blame?

Trying to comprehend, is it a simpleminded ruling? or...

How could there be so much absurdity, foolishness, deception, buffoonery from Democrats on Congress and people listen!…Is it because they want to belief?

The ones who want to believe, I think they got to a point where “their beliefs”, “their dreams”, “their ideology” is stronger than honesty.

What they “want” to believe is full of fiction, it is a utopia, a nonexistent paradise on earth, however, the ones lying all the time are the ones who want the power!

However, they (democrats) already had or have it (the power) and they know how to use it, abuse it! They are already doing it, however they want it all, and forever, because theirs is the only good thing!

The “only good choice!

Then, should we argue about it? Why are we arguing?

Why are we so unwise? Is there any sense of giving credit to the devil?

Ok, most people don’t want to know who is the real Lucifer!

They are used to lie all the time (Democrats or Liberals) because it is part of their fight for power!

There is also a case for hatred!

H**e against Trump and “what he represents”; “The values that he’s fighting for”!

However, those American values are viewed in a different way now by the vast majority of Democrats!

They are all for anti-American ideas and ideals!

Because democrats adopted the anti-imperialism perception of USA created by Liberals!

They are all against capitalism! Because they embrace socialism!

Socialism has failed everywhere and in every form in history wherever has been implemented! It is not only Russia, Cuba and Venezuela.

Socialism failed in european countries, including England and the suppose, Democratic Socialism in Sweden, which has been praised by democrats, however, they placed a 60 % tax to the middle class, not the “one percent” (rich only) that Democrats lied about!

Socialism failed the Maoism China, it failed in India and let’s not forget the National Socialism in N**i Germany!

All Democrats want the right to k**l babies disguise as “right for a******n for women”.
And a lot of them called themselves christians! atrocious!

All Democrats want open borders, because they want the power! not the good for this country!

How could they (democrats) lie and lie over and over again pretending that they want security at the mexican border?

However, they all v**e and block and obstruct any wall construction, which would definitely help with the security and work of the people working to help America staying safe and fix the disastrous immigration policies!

And they all keep on lying calling Trump a r****t because he wants to build a wall!

They all exaggerate, which is the same as lying! About c*****e c****e to implement regulations, that are nothing but “more liberal control and power”(Socialism)

It is not for the good of the people as they pretend. Because they all ignore “what others real scientists have to say about it, as well as what proven data says”.

They are all for increasing taxes and continue lying, as they say it is for the rich only.

But, democrats want the dependance of the people, instead of freedom and prosperity!

Because economic freedom; non-dependence of the government is the opposite of socialism!

The opposite of what Democrats want!

It is really shameful and embarrassing to say the least! How democrats are acting against “The United States of America” not just Mr. Trump!

However, that aversion, perhaps to the vulgarity of Trump, has become apparent from some Republicans and conservatives who seems like they value more their ego than the reality of what is happening!

Those conservatives or Republicans have done more damage to the possibility of saving this country against socialism, than the democrats, or real c*******t and terrorists that are fighting and will never stop that war!

And, why should I explain? When it is so easy to understand!

How could be possible to give any credit to the Democrats trying to make a case for impeachment against Trump when they already spent more than two years LYING about a russian collusion?

However, understanding this and reacting don’t make them;

Republicans and conservatives, Fox News personalities or newspersons who pretend to be fair, ex-members and probably present Trump’s staff, and some Conservative Magazines personalities who signed a never Trump letter! As well as other conservatives and TV and magazines.

It doesn’t, it will not make them see how negligent, how dishonest they’ve been, or are to this country trying to make sense to nonsense!

There is so much to say about this incomprehensible situation, where there is so much foolishness as trying to be, or…

It is fine to criticize Trump for withdrawing all troops from Syria in the way he did it, however, comparing it to Obama’s withdraw from Iraq it is preposterous!

Accepting a comparison of Biden’s apparent clear corruption with Trump’s non-crime, or apparent clear fabrication from democrats is outrageous!

The acceptance of deceivers, fabricators, as Mr. Schiff and Pelosi as if could be some “sincerity” or “honesty” on their continue incriminating statements against Trump, is really mindless and d********g.

Thank you,
Héctor Bayate
Who is more to blame? br br Trying to compr... (show quote)


Very good post, señor Bayate. Reflexivo y verdadero

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Oct 21, 2019 06:37:05   #
elcobre
 
great!

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