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Oct 21, 2019 22:15:15   #
milamber
 
Seth wrote:
That could be financed by all the campaign funds in the "war chests" they won't need anymore as well as the "filthy lucre" in the accounts of the Clinton Foundation, and the cleanup work could be done by ball and chain wearing CNN, MSNBC, NYT and WaPo "reporters," supervised by Arianna Huffington.

Then, needing considerably less rope, it would be their turn.


love it

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Oct 22, 2019 00:47:33   #
Seth
 
milamber wrote:
love it



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Oct 23, 2019 10:51:24   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Thanks for that. Very powerful message about our history that brought the Founders' generations that guided to reaching the best potentials of their lives. But the tragic thing is that most precious Founders' framework have been attacked by this new radicals who inhibit this land.

History is very important in our lives. Knowing that gives our generation the perspectives of the values that teach them great responsibilities, for their own and for our country. Thomas Jefferson is one of them. My favorite next to George Washington. The Declaration of Independence projected how our lives must be carried on under the guidance of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That very substance alone portrayed Jefferson with great care for all generations to come.

The sad part is these later generations wanted to erase history and replace with their own. Dismantling the statues of our great founders Jefferson and Washington is most tragic, indicating that we are lost. But history must be preserved and learned.

The recent influx of different people from the different parts of the world, did not assimilate our values and our culture. Their motives and ambitions are reaping off the older generation for their own.

The current democrat and socialist leaders in order to attract more to put them in power followed their desires of taking away from others without earning it. Free everything to luring most of them. This is where we are now.

The values of the people have changed. it focus to their self-narcissist desires and self-aggrandizement without earning it.

Public Schools, colleges and universities are all run by LIBERAL-progressive minded people without self-worth. But the morals, ethics and values are all gone. That is why the millennials believe that that having a liberal socialist president will fulfill their dreams in America. That is FREE EVERYTHING. And when that free is finally gone, the model of Venezuela and Cuba proves their destiny.

President Trump is negating all of that. He drives us to following our Great Founders model for their posterity. Self-worth is created by self-responsibility under the guidance of God for now and in the future generations to come. President Trump's model is the best.
=============== br Thanks for that. Very powerful ... (show quote)


Right on!
How can liberals be so obtuse?

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Oct 23, 2019 15:23:22   #
greenmountaineer Loc: Vermont
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Right on!
How can liberals be so obtuse?

A perfect example of what happens when history is garbled occurred earlier this week when MSNBC was advertising "Bowling for Columbine." I was substituting for a history teacher at our local HS a few years back and he'd left me that film to show his classes. I showed it to the first class until it got to the point where Moore leers into the camera and says ' and NRA and the Ku Klux Klan were both founded in 1871! Isn't THAT a coincidence?" I stopped it right there and we had a history lesson. When I went thru American History in the 1940's, we learned dates and often individuals. These kids knew neither. They'd never heard of the Fort Pillow Massacre, or of general Nathan Bedford Forrest, who's troops did that atrocity, and who later founded the KKK. They weren't too sure of the difference between Confederate and Union forces, and I had to explain to 'em that NRA was founded by two former Union Colonels and it's 6th president was Winfield Scott Hancock, former CO of 2nd Corps, Army of the Potomac, and kiddies, that was a Union general! With a population as ignorant of our history as this it is easy for a charlatan like Michael Moore to misinform a lot of people and turn them against NRA.

During my career, teaching, I saw a bit of this censoring of text books. History and also Biology texts are usually the targets. Here in Vermont, where they trust teachers, we are allowed any text we want, so long as it doesn't bust the budget v**ed at the annual school meeting. But some states have committees that "approve" text books and if a text doesn't get approval it can't be used in that state. And some of those states are so big that all the publishers (and authors) cater to 'em. So we get stuck with a book that is censored by some big state.

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Oct 23, 2019 15:35:16   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
greenmountaineer wrote:
A perfect example of what happens when history is garbled occurred earlier this week when MSNBC was advertising "Bowling for Columbine." I was substituting for a history teacher at our local HS a few years back and he'd left me that film to show his classes. I showed it to the first class until it got to the point where Moore leers into the camera and says ' and NRA and the Ku Klux Klan were both founded in 1871! Isn't THAT a coincidence?" I stopped it right there and we had a history lesson. When I went thru American History in the 1940's, we learned dates and often individuals. These kids knew neither. They'd never heard of the Fort Pillow Massacre, or of general Nathan Bedford Forrest, who's troops did that atrocity, and who later founded the KKK. They weren't too sure of the difference between Confederate and Union forces, and I had to explain to 'em that NRA was founded by two former Union Colonels and it's 6th president was Winfield Scott Hancock, former CO of 2nd Corps, Army of the Potomac, and kiddies, that was a Union general! With a population as ignorant of our history as this it is easy for a charlatan like Michael Moore to misinform a lot of people and turn them against NRA.

During my career, teaching, I saw a bit of this censoring of text books. History and also Biology texts are usually the targets. Here in Vermont, where they trust teachers, we are allowed any text we want, so long as it doesn't bust the budget v**ed at the annual school meeting. But some states have committees that "approve" text books and if a text doesn't get approval it can't be used in that state. And some of those states are so big that all the publishers (and authors) cater to 'em. So we get stuck with a book that is censored by some big state.
A perfect example of what happens when history is ... (show quote)


The liberal left have had control of the text books used for many decades.
Same for the National Education Association (NEA)
Is it not obvious why our young are so ignorant of real history?

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Oct 23, 2019 17:12:04   #
greenmountaineer Loc: Vermont
 
eagleye13 wrote:
The liberal left have had control of the text books used for many decades.
Same for the National Education Association (NEA)
Is it not obvious why our young are so ignorant of real history?


Actually, Texas is, (or at least was when before I retired,) notorious for what they allow in text books and they have never been accused of being "liberal." Everybody, left and right, wants the things that offend them left out of the history books, with the result that the books are boring. If the American History class is 45 minutes long, you can bet the kids get 43 minutes extra sleep every day.

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Oct 23, 2019 17:29:24   #
debeda
 
greenmountaineer wrote:
A perfect example of what happens when history is garbled occurred earlier this week when MSNBC was advertising "Bowling for Columbine." I was substituting for a history teacher at our local HS a few years back and he'd left me that film to show his classes. I showed it to the first class until it got to the point where Moore leers into the camera and says ' and NRA and the Ku Klux Klan were both founded in 1871! Isn't THAT a coincidence?" I stopped it right there and we had a history lesson. When I went thru American History in the 1940's, we learned dates and often individuals. These kids knew neither. They'd never heard of the Fort Pillow Massacre, or of general Nathan Bedford Forrest, who's troops did that atrocity, and who later founded the KKK. They weren't too sure of the difference between Confederate and Union forces, and I had to explain to 'em that NRA was founded by two former Union Colonels and it's 6th president was Winfield Scott Hancock, former CO of 2nd Corps, Army of the Potomac, and kiddies, that was a Union general! With a population as ignorant of our history as this it is easy for a charlatan like Michael Moore to misinform a lot of people and turn them against NRA.

During my career, teaching, I saw a bit of this censoring of text books. History and also Biology texts are usually the targets. Here in Vermont, where they trust teachers, we are allowed any text we want, so long as it doesn't bust the budget v**ed at the annual school meeting. But some states have committees that "approve" text books and if a text doesn't get approval it can't be used in that state. And some of those states are so big that all the publishers (and authors) cater to 'em. So we get stuck with a book that is censored by some big state.
A perfect example of what happens when history is ... (show quote)


What you just described is a perfect argument against federally mandated Common Core

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Oct 23, 2019 18:04:24   #
greenmountaineer Loc: Vermont
 
debeda wrote:
What you just described is a perfect argument against federally mandated Common Core



When I was still teaching, I was not a fan of Common Core. Besides being somewhat of a violation of the 9th and 10th amendments, it reduces all curricula to a common level and prevents good teachers from doing really good education.

There were some problems with the old system. Some states just didn't have the money or sometimes may have mismanaged it so that schools in some places were horribly equipped. My first teaching job in 1961, was in a small rural high school in northern Vermont. I was the entire science department! I had a classroom/lab and when I inventoried the lab I got a shock. The equipment I had was about a dozen test tubes, three alcohol lamps, (they are illegal now) a box of empty baby food jars and an empty snapping turtle shell. But our new principal said that a new Federal program called National Defense Education Act (NDEA) would let us get some new stuff. Before the end of the year new equipment was arriving. I had microscopes, bunsen burners, all the lab equipment I needed to teach chemistry and biology (the principal taught physics. He liked that.) An older teacher pointed out that the Feds have no Constitutional authority over education, but they do have over defense and they had put that word in the title of the bill. We were going to catch up with those Soviets who'd put a man in space before we had.

But the camel's nose was under the edge of the tent, and they don't bother to put the word "defense" in the titles of education bills anymore. They figure the younger generation doesn't know any better. They gave out huge amounts of money, and school supply companies have jacked up their prices as a result and you can't run a school system with locally raised taxes anymore. You have to have that Federal Money and now it comes with strings attached. And it wasn't some liberal left wing conspirators who did this. It was done by both parties, with the best of intentions.

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Oct 23, 2019 19:16:59   #
debeda
 
greenmountaineer wrote:
When I was still teaching, I was not a fan of Common Core. Besides being somewhat of a violation of the 9th and 10th amendments, it reduces all curricula to a common level and prevents good teachers from doing really good education.

There were some problems with the old system. Some states just didn't have the money or sometimes may have mismanaged it so that schools in some places were horribly equipped. My first teaching job in 1961, was in a small rural high school in northern Vermont. I was the entire science department! I had a classroom/lab and when I inventoried the lab I got a shock. The equipment I had was about a dozen test tubes, three alcohol lamps, (they are illegal now) a box of empty baby food jars and an empty snapping turtle shell. But our new principal said that a new Federal program called National Defense Education Act (NDEA) would let us get some new stuff. Before the end of the year new equipment was arriving. I had microscopes, bunsen burners, all the lab equipment I needed to teach chemistry and biology (the principal taught physics. He liked that.) An older teacher pointed out that the Feds have no Constitutional authority over education, but they do have over defense and they had put that word in the title of the bill. We were going to catch up with those Soviets who'd put a man in space before we had.

But the camel's nose was under the edge of the tent, and they don't bother to put the word "defense" in the titles of education bills anymore. They figure the younger generation doesn't know any better. They gave out huge amounts of money, and school supply companies have jacked up their prices as a result and you can't run a school system with locally raised taxes anymore. You have to have that Federal Money and now it comes with strings attached. And it wasn't some liberal left wing conspirators who did this. It was done by both parties, with the best of intentions.
When I was still teaching, I was not a fan of Com... (show quote)


Great assessment

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Oct 24, 2019 08:26:01   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
greenmountaineer wrote:
Actually, Texas is, (or at least was when before I retired,) notorious for what they allow in text books and they have never been accused of being "liberal." Everybody, left and right, wants the things that offend them left out of the history books, with the result that the books are boring. If the American History class is 45 minutes long, you can bet the kids get 43 minutes extra sleep every day.


"If the American History class is 45 minutes long, you can bet the kids get 43 minutes extra sleep every day." - greenmountaineer

That is by design. Make history boring. Just memorize dates and actors for a test.
In California, 6'th grade students had a class on the Constitution in the early 60's. Not sure now.
Instead of going into why we had a Constitution, how important it is, what it took to get it ratified, its uniqueness, Etc.; It was a boring memorization class. No p***e for what we were blessed with.


IMO; This has not happened by mistake.

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Oct 24, 2019 09:07:18   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"If the American History class is 45 minutes long, you can bet the kids get 43 minutes extra sleep every day." - greenmountaineer

That is by design. Make history boring. Just memorize dates and actors for a test.
In California, 6'th grade students had a class on the Constitution in the early 60's. Not sure now.
Instead of going into why we had a Constitution, how important it is, what it took to get it ratified, its uniqueness, Etc.; It was a boring memorization class. No p***e for what we were blessed with.


IMO; This has not happened by mistake.
"If the American History class is 45 minutes ... (show quote)


Lack of materials is also a huge problem for many schools...

Standardized textbooks are necessary, but additional sources are also required...

I used to go to history class with three or four books about the topic we were learning... Drove my teacher crazy asking about things that weren't in the standard textbook...

But to be fair, he did encourage me to keep it up...God bless the man

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Oct 24, 2019 09:22:01   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
debeda wrote:
What you just described is a perfect argument against federally mandated Common Core


"What you just described is a perfect argument against federally mandated Common Core " - debeda
For sure!!!

"But the camel's nose was under the edge of the tent, and they don't bother to put the word "defense" in the titles of education bills anymore. They figure the younger generation doesn't know any better. They gave out huge amounts of money, and school supply companies have jacked up their prices as a result and you can't run a school system with locally raised taxes anymore. You have to have that Federal Money and now it comes with strings attached. And it wasn't some liberal left wing conspirators who did this. It was done by both parties, with the best of intentions" - greenmountaineer

We can argue about "The best of intentions."
The Left has been in control for many decades, in California for sure.

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