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Jun 11, 2014 13:01:50   #
Terry Hamblin
 
An Obituary printed in the London Times.....Absolutely Brilliant !!

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:

- Knowing when to come in out of the rain;

- Why the early bird gets the worm;

- Life isn't always fair;

- And maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an a******n.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims. Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death,

-by his parents, T***h and Trust,

-by his wife, Discretion,

-by his daughter, Responsibility,

-and by his son, Reason.

He is survived by his 5 stepbrothers;

- I Know My Rights

- I Want It Now

- Someone Else Is To Blame

- I'm A Victim

- Pay me for Doing Nothing

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

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Jun 11, 2014 13:07:04   #
dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)
 
Terry Hamblin wrote:
An Obituary printed in the London Times.....Absolutely Brilliant !!

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:

- Knowing when to come in out of the rain;

- Why the early bird gets the worm;

- Life isn't always fair;

- And maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an a******n.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims. Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death,

-by his parents, T***h and Trust,

-by his wife, Discretion,

-by his daughter, Responsibility,

-and by his son, Reason.

He is survived by his 5 stepbrothers;

- I Know My Rights

- I Want It Now

- Someone Else Is To Blame

- I'm A Victim

- Pay me for Doing Nothing

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
An Obituary printed in the London Times.....Absolu... (show quote)


This should be dated 20 years ago. We have not had any common sense since way before the 2008 e******n campaigns.

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Jun 11, 2014 13:25:13   #
Terry Hamblin
 
dennisimoto wrote:
This should be dated 20 years ago. We have not had any common sense since way before the 2008 e******n campaigns.


Absolutely right dennisimoto, started with LBJ and the other reprobates just thought that things like Vietnam and the Great Society were winning endeavors. After that everything became political including correctness. Now we have a President who does nothing unless it has political gain for him!

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Jun 11, 2014 15:26:41   #
Olden McGroen Loc: Texas
 
Terry Hamblin wrote:
An Obituary printed in the London Times.....Absolutely Brilliant !!

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:

- Knowing when to come in out of the rain;

- Why the early bird gets the worm;

- Life isn't always fair;

- And maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an a******n.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims. Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death,

-by his parents, T***h and Trust,

-by his wife, Discretion,

-by his daughter, Responsibility,

-and by his son, Reason.

He is survived by his 5 stepbrothers;

- I Know My Rights

- I Want It Now

- Someone Else Is To Blame

- I'm A Victim

- Pay me for Doing Nothing

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
An Obituary printed in the London Times.....Absolu... (show quote)


Common Sense waved bye bye at the advent of Progressivism...circa early 20th Century.

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Jun 12, 2014 16:01:41   #
clarkwv Loc: west virginia
 
Olden McGroen wrote:
Common Sense waved bye bye at the advent of Progressivism...circa early 20th Century.


I would think progressivism started a bit before that, with a group of men who decided we needed to change how we were governed.

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Jun 12, 2014 19:49:37   #
Olden McGroen Loc: Texas
 
clarkwv wrote:
I would think progressivism started a bit before that, with a group of men who decided we needed to change how we were governed.


Teddy Roosevelt started the Progressive movement in the early 1900's with his Bull Moose Party. Now, the roots of Progressivism are in Marxism which began in the Mid 1800's.

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Jun 12, 2014 20:11:06   #
clarkwv Loc: west virginia
 
Olden McGroen wrote:
Teddy Roosevelt started the Progressive movement in the early 1900's with his Bull Moose Party. Now, the roots of Progressivism are in Marxism which began in the Mid 1800's.


We are both allowed our opinion, I think the first progressives in the country were the founding fathers, for if they had not been we still would belong to England.

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Jun 13, 2014 09:23:42   #
Olden McGroen Loc: Texas
 
clarkwv wrote:
We are both allowed our opinion, I think the first progressives in the country were the founding fathers, for if they had not been we still would belong to England.


Well, it appears that we don't have the same definition of a "Progressive" in mind. I don't know what your definition is, but my definition of a Progressive doesn't fit the description of the Founding Fathers. Quite the opposite.

Progressives, from what I've learned, are all about central planning and big government control. The Founders were all about freedom and small central government.

So, I'm at a loss as to what you mean. Please explain your position for me.

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Jun 13, 2014 15:10:40   #
clarkwv Loc: west virginia
 
Olden McGroen wrote:
Well, it appears that we don't have the same definition of a "Progressive" in mind. I don't know what your definition is, but my definition of a Progressive doesn't fit the description of the Founding Fathers. Quite the opposite.

Progressives, from what I've learned, are all about central planning and big government control. The Founders were all about freedom and small central government.

So, I'm at a loss as to what you mean. Please explain your position for me.


If the founding fathers had been conservatives, they would not have led the fight against the British and today we still might be some how attached to England, perhaps like Canada and some others.

If as you say the we about a small central government, why did they not say with the Articles of Confederation?

There were really two sides in the founding fathers on how the government should be. One lead by Jefferson, who did want the states to have more power, the other lead by Hamilton, who was for a strong federal government.

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Jun 13, 2014 15:37:43   #
Olden McGroen Loc: Texas
 
clarkwv wrote:
If the founding fathers had been conservatives, they would not have led the fight against the British and today we still might be some how attached to England, perhaps like Canada and some others.

If as you say the we about a small central government, why did they not say with the Articles of Confederation?

There were really two sides in the founding fathers on how the government should be. One lead by Jefferson, who did want the states to have more power, the other lead by Hamilton, who was for a strong federal government.
If the founding fathers had been conservatives, th... (show quote)


The Articles of Confederation were about the states retaining sovereignty with no centralized government that could levy taxes and regulate commerce. The other extreme was Hamilton's idea of a much larger centralized fed gov't (much like what we have today). The compromise in the US Contitution was to have both states righs and a small Fed gov't. We can debate over which Founders were more Conservative and which were not, but the facts are the facts. The Founders agreed to the Constitution this form of checks and balances, which includes the states, and signed off on it (with some dissent as will always happen with anything).

So, again, what is your definition of Progressivism? I suppose you could argue that Hamilton and his ilk were as close as it comes, but I wouldn't call him a Progressive.

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Jun 13, 2014 15:51:39   #
Terry Hamblin
 
Olden McGroen wrote:
The Articles of Confederation were about the states retaining sovereignty with no centralized government that could levy taxes and regulate commerce. The other extreme was Hamilton's idea of a much larger centralized fed gov't (much like what we have today). The compromise in the US Contitution was to have both states righs and a small Fed gov't. We can debate over which Founders were more Conservative and which were not, but the facts are the facts. The Founders agreed to the Constitution this form of checks and balances, which includes the states, and signed off on it (with some dissent as will always happen with anything).

So, again, what is your definition of Progressivism? I suppose you could argue that Hamilton and his ilk were as close as it comes, but I wouldn't call him a Progressive.
The Articles of Confederation were about the state... (show quote)


Did you mean flaming or drooling Progs.??

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Jun 14, 2014 15:21:24   #
clarkwv Loc: west virginia
 
Olden McGroen wrote:
The Articles of Confederation were about the states retaining sovereignty with no centralized government that could levy taxes and regulate commerce. The other extreme was Hamilton's idea of a much larger centralized fed gov't (much like what we have today). The compromise in the US Contitution was to have both states righs and a small Fed gov't. We can debate over which Founders were more Conservative and which were not, but the facts are the facts. The Founders agreed to the Constitution this form of checks and balances, which includes the states, and signed off on it (with some dissent as will always happen with anything).

So, again, what is your definition of Progressivism? I suppose you could argue that Hamilton and his ilk were as close as it comes, but I wouldn't call him a Progressive.
The Articles of Confederation were about the state... (show quote)


I do not think there really is just one definition of Progressivism, for most who would claim to be progressive have a different view on what it means. I define myself as a progressive who at the same time is financial a conservative. As an example, why as we spending money on weapons systems the generals do no want? Why does the FBI, Secret Service, etc. use some of the largest SUVs on the market? Why do we load money to other nations to buy our weapons? Don't get me wrong, I am willing to pay what it takes to run our government, just not willing to waste money.

What makes me in my mind a progressive, I do believe in social justice for all, I believe those who for some reason need help (not just want it) should get it. I can go on and on here, but you get the idea.

Is our government to large? Maybe, but my cuts would most likely come some place different that you would. I would cut the officer corp in the military, I would let the military grow, by giving jobs back to the military that contractors took over. Why pay some contractor $80,000 to well over a $100,000 for something a private can do for under $30,000 and has the training to join in combat if needed. I never did understand the idea behind the Dept. of Homeland Security. If it was nothing more that a clearing house for what we learn that would be OK, but it grew into something else.

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Jul 1, 2014 13:43:55   #
Striker Loc: Arizona Rockies
 
Olden McGroen wrote:
Common Sense waved bye bye at the advent of Progressivism...circa early 20th Century.


Sorta true, but it all really began with ratification of the Constitution way back in 1789. It started off well, but didn't stick. Whenever a large committee holds a convention, many foolish thoughts are pushed into the results, creating a Government of Force. Today, there's not a "citizen" alive who is allowed a choice about that document, nor about anything the the "elected Rulers" decree.

With the possible exception of our first President, it's been downhill ever since.

http://no-ruler.net/wp-admin/index.php

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Jul 1, 2014 15:03:38   #
Terry Hamblin
 
Striker wrote:
Sorta true, but it all really began with ratification of the Constitution way back in 1789. It started off well, but didn't stick. Whenever a large committee holds a convention, many foolish thoughts are pushed into the results, creating a Government of Force. Today, there's not a "citizen" alive who is allowed a choice about that document, nor about anything the the "elected Rulers" decree.

With the possible exception of our first President, it's been downhill ever since.

http://no-ruler.net/wp-admin/index.php
Sorta true, but it all really began with ratificat... (show quote)


There are so many different meanings that one can find for progressive, and progressivism that haggling about it makes no sense. Liberal means many things also, mostly you work, I don't work, give me your money because I have less than you, get it! I think that the only way that the liberals can steal more of our money is if they disarm us first, then just reach in and take it since we will have no defense. Most of the Founding Fathers, even in the haze that they were in Striker, insisted that the public be armed.. Why? Just in case the Government became untrustworthy and tyrannical, and I get it. Once the Government has proven that it exists for it's own agenda and there is no way to legally bring it to bay, force is the only answer. This is also why tyrants collect the guns, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Obama all the same.

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Jul 1, 2014 15:14:27   #
Striker Loc: Arizona Rockies
 
Terry Hamblin wrote:
There are so many different meanings that one can find for progressive, and progressivism that haggling about it makes no sense. Liberal means many things also, mostly you work, I don't work, give me your money because I have less than you, get it! I think that the only way that the liberals can steal more of our money is if they disarm us first, then just reach in and take it since we will have no defense. Most of the Founding Fathers, even in the haze that they were in Striker, insisted that the public be armed.. Why? Just in case the Government became untrustworthy and tyrannical, and I get it. Once the Government has proven that it exists for it's own agenda and there is no way to legally bring it to bay, force is the only answer. This is also why tyrants collect the guns, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Obama all the same.
There are so many different meanings that one can ... (show quote)


I figured you had your head on straight, and so you just proved!


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