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Oct 8, 2019 12:40:15   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
Explaining away some Muslims’ beliefs on jihad, oppression of women, and more only makes them more difficult to combat.

When the Washington Corrections Center in Shelton, Washington, last week decided to hire its first Muslim chaplain — referred to obliquely as a “religious coordinator” — it also published an “infographic” that explains “true Islam.”

“Jihad,” we are told, “does not mean ‘holy war.’ Often mist***slated in Westernized media, the term simply means ‘to struggle’ or ‘to strive.’ ” Moreover, “Islam in its true form grants women man rights, and any Muslim man who oppresses women is not following the true words of Allah.”

Based on the original source for this text, “man rights” is supposed to be “many rights.” In fact, the text for the infographic was not copied and pasted, but edited and condensed. It seems that a state government official saw fit to review and alter the text before publishing.

Should a state governmental body be dictating what “true Islam” is?

For a start, Islam is not, of course, a monolith. Sunni Islam alone comprises hundreds of competing religious sects, political movements, schools of jurisprudence and theology, and various sets of mystical beliefs. Within that pandemonium, there is an enormously diverse array of views. Some are violent, some radical, some quietist, some moderate, some reformist; and then there are all those groupings in between these categories.

Thus, there are indeed some Islamic clerics and activists who may agree with the Washington state government’s explanation of “true Islam.” But others certainly do not.

Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, one of the most prominent clerics in the Middle East (and the spiritual leader of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood), wrote a long book on the jurisprudence of jihad, in which the term refers clearly to support for armed struggle.

As a review of the book published on Qaradawi’s own website (islamonline.net) explains, jihad is not about “spiritual values and behavioral virtues”; it is an armed struggle, and that “without jihad, the Ummah’s boundaries will be violated, the blood of its people will be as cheap as dust, its sanctuaries will be less worthy than a handful of desert sand, and it will be insignificant in the eyes of its enemies.”

Qaradawi’s work, by the way, is frequently cited by leading American clerics.

A 200-year-old book republished in 2016 by Al-Azhar — the most important Islamic seminary in the world — only refers to jihad as an “armed struggle.” And when, as NPR put it in 2003, “around the Muslim world, mainstream Muslim clerics are calling on their followers to make jihad, or holy war, against American troops” in Iraq, were they only asking for Muslims to practice a quiet internal struggle?

There are indeed Muslims — often from Sufi sects — who believe jihad to be a peaceful pursuit. And this is the point: there are myriad interpretations of Islam. From a non-Muslim standpoint, there can evidently be no “true Islam.”

It is certainly not up to government bodies to determine whether beliefs are religiously valid or not. Unless, that is, the illustrious officials of Washington state government are declaring Qaradawi and the leaders of Al-Azhar to be outside the fold of Islam.

Similarly, there are clerics who believe that women should be oppressed, in clear contradiction to the mighty infographic’s declarations. Take Yusuf Estes, for example, a prominent American Salafi cleric and a regular presenter on the American Islamic speaker circuit. Estes claims that “women do have a responsibility to obey their men, whether their fathers, brothers, husbands, or even grown-up sons.” He instructs Muslim men with disobedient wives to “roll up a newspaper and give her a crack. Or take a yardstick, something like this, and you can hit [her].”

Once again, there are also many Muslims who find such rulings abhorrent. So, is Estes no longer a “true” Muslim? Of course not.

Washington state officials are not the first to offer such absurdities. They’re everywhere. Barack Obama frequently spoke about Islam as a “religious that preaches peace.” George W. Bush made similar remarks. Theresa May, when Britain’s Home Secretary, told the Conservative Party conference that ISIS has “nothing to do with Islam.” Even H. R. McMaster, while serving as Trump’s national security adviser, reportedly stated that ISIS was “un-Islamic.”

In fact, Washington state’s source for its proclamations about Islam is rather peculiar. The infographic cites “Swedish Nomad,” a blog published by a “Professional Travel Blogger and Photographer from Sweden.” He is also very much a non-Muslim.

Relying on non-Muslims to explain “true Islam” to the world on behalf of Muslims everywhere is enormously helpful to the non-violent Islamists. These duplicitous extremists may spout hatred behind closed doors, but they too offer these infographic-themed platitudes in front of the cameras. This distances them from the jihadists and legitimizes them as examples of “true Islam.”

By denying the diversity of Islamic thought and speaking only of a dichotomy featuring true Muslims on one side and ISIS on the other, politicians and government officials homogenize Islam, making it impossible to separate moderate Muslim partners from the dangerous Islamist networks that operate lawfully within the “true Islam” of Western Muslim communities. This obfuscates counter-extremism and counter-terror work and hurts efforts by Muslim reformists to challenge Islamist influence within their own communities.

The inanity of such rhetoric also leads to fascinating uncertainties. In September, flyers posted around the town of Winchester, Massachusetts, contained only the text, “Islam is RIGHT about women.”

Local residents thought hardline Islamists were behind the message; a few online commentators thought progressivist activists were responsible; while the local Islamist organization, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, thought it might be the work of a mocking “Islamophobe.”

The fact that no one could be sure is rather telling.

Sam Westrop is director of Islamist Watch, a project of the Middle East Forum.

https://spectator.org/defining-true-islam-is-harder-than-progressives-think/?utm_source=American%20Spectator%20Emails&utm_campaign=c207469800-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_10_08_02_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_797a38d487-c207469800-104385953

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Oct 8, 2019 13:00:00   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
informative Jake
thanks for posting

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Oct 8, 2019 13:01:38   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
badbobby wrote:
informative Jake
thanks for posting


My pleasure Bobby~

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Oct 8, 2019 15:40:58   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
badbobby wrote:
informative Jake
thanks for posting


Excellent post. Thank you so much for getting it out there.
NPP

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Oct 8, 2019 16:09:02   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Excellent post. Thank you so much for getting it out there.
NPP


Thanks NPP. There is a problem with muslims in the the US~

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Oct 8, 2019 17:11:18   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Thanks NPP. There is a problem with muslims in the the US~


yup, and it will get worse

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Oct 8, 2019 17:26:32   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
badbobby wrote:
yup, and it will get worse


I'm sure~

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Oct 8, 2019 18:16:11   #
woodguru
 
Try defining true christianity, it sure as hell isn't right wing white nationalist extremists, but they think they are.

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Oct 8, 2019 18:30:56   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Explaining away some Muslims’ beliefs on jihad, oppression of women, and more only makes them more difficult to combat.

When the Washington Corrections Center in Shelton, Washington, last week decided to hire its first Muslim chaplain — referred to obliquely as a “religious coordinator” — it also published an “infographic” that explains “true Islam.”

“Jihad,” we are told, “does not mean ‘holy war.’ Often mist***slated in Westernized media, the term simply means ‘to struggle’ or ‘to strive.’ ” Moreover, “Islam in its true form grants women man rights, and any Muslim man who oppresses women is not following the true words of Allah.”

Based on the original source for this text, “man rights” is supposed to be “many rights.” In fact, the text for the infographic was not copied and pasted, but edited and condensed. It seems that a state government official saw fit to review and alter the text before publishing.

Should a state governmental body be dictating what “true Islam” is?

For a start, Islam is not, of course, a monolith. Sunni Islam alone comprises hundreds of competing religious sects, political movements, schools of jurisprudence and theology, and various sets of mystical beliefs. Within that pandemonium, there is an enormously diverse array of views. Some are violent, some radical, some quietist, some moderate, some reformist; and then there are all those groupings in between these categories.

Thus, there are indeed some Islamic clerics and activists who may agree with the Washington state government’s explanation of “true Islam.” But others certainly do not.

Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, one of the most prominent clerics in the Middle East (and the spiritual leader of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood), wrote a long book on the jurisprudence of jihad, in which the term refers clearly to support for armed struggle.

As a review of the book published on Qaradawi’s own website (islamonline.net) explains, jihad is not about “spiritual values and behavioral virtues”; it is an armed struggle, and that “without jihad, the Ummah’s boundaries will be violated, the blood of its people will be as cheap as dust, its sanctuaries will be less worthy than a handful of desert sand, and it will be insignificant in the eyes of its enemies.”

Qaradawi’s work, by the way, is frequently cited by leading American clerics.

A 200-year-old book republished in 2016 by Al-Azhar — the most important Islamic seminary in the world — only refers to jihad as an “armed struggle.” And when, as NPR put it in 2003, “around the Muslim world, mainstream Muslim clerics are calling on their followers to make jihad, or holy war, against American troops” in Iraq, were they only asking for Muslims to practice a quiet internal struggle?

There are indeed Muslims — often from Sufi sects — who believe jihad to be a peaceful pursuit. And this is the point: there are myriad interpretations of Islam. From a non-Muslim standpoint, there can evidently be no “true Islam.”

It is certainly not up to government bodies to determine whether beliefs are religiously valid or not. Unless, that is, the illustrious officials of Washington state government are declaring Qaradawi and the leaders of Al-Azhar to be outside the fold of Islam.

Similarly, there are clerics who believe that women should be oppressed, in clear contradiction to the mighty infographic’s declarations. Take Yusuf Estes, for example, a prominent American Salafi cleric and a regular presenter on the American Islamic speaker circuit. Estes claims that “women do have a responsibility to obey their men, whether their fathers, brothers, husbands, or even grown-up sons.” He instructs Muslim men with disobedient wives to “roll up a newspaper and give her a crack. Or take a yardstick, something like this, and you can hit [her].”

Once again, there are also many Muslims who find such rulings abhorrent. So, is Estes no longer a “true” Muslim? Of course not.

Washington state officials are not the first to offer such absurdities. They’re everywhere. Barack Obama frequently spoke about Islam as a “religious that preaches peace.” George W. Bush made similar remarks. Theresa May, when Britain’s Home Secretary, told the Conservative Party conference that ISIS has “nothing to do with Islam.” Even H. R. McMaster, while serving as Trump’s national security adviser, reportedly stated that ISIS was “un-Islamic.”

In fact, Washington state’s source for its proclamations about Islam is rather peculiar. The infographic cites “Swedish Nomad,” a blog published by a “Professional Travel Blogger and Photographer from Sweden.” He is also very much a non-Muslim.

Relying on non-Muslims to explain “true Islam” to the world on behalf of Muslims everywhere is enormously helpful to the non-violent Islamists. These duplicitous extremists may spout hatred behind closed doors, but they too offer these infographic-themed platitudes in front of the cameras. This distances them from the jihadists and legitimizes them as examples of “true Islam.”

By denying the diversity of Islamic thought and speaking only of a dichotomy featuring true Muslims on one side and ISIS on the other, politicians and government officials homogenize Islam, making it impossible to separate moderate Muslim partners from the dangerous Islamist networks that operate lawfully within the “true Islam” of Western Muslim communities. This obfuscates counter-extremism and counter-terror work and hurts efforts by Muslim reformists to challenge Islamist influence within their own communities.

The inanity of such rhetoric also leads to fascinating uncertainties. In September, flyers posted around the town of Winchester, Massachusetts, contained only the text, “Islam is RIGHT about women.”

Local residents thought hardline Islamists were behind the message; a few online commentators thought progressivist activists were responsible; while the local Islamist organization, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, thought it might be the work of a mocking “Islamophobe.”

The fact that no one could be sure is rather telling.

Sam Westrop is director of Islamist Watch, a project of the Middle East Forum.

https://spectator.org/defining-true-islam-is-harder-than-progressives-think/?utm_source=American%20Spectator%20Emails&utm_campaign=c207469800-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_10_08_02_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_797a38d487-c207469800-104385953
b Explaining away some Muslims’ beliefs on jihad,... (show quote)


Nice post...

Wish to see more like it

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Oct 8, 2019 18:31:20   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
woodguru wrote:
Try defining true christianity, it sure as hell isn't right wing white nationalist extremists, but they think they are.


Now you're getting it

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Oct 8, 2019 18:32:27   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
badbobby wrote:
yup, and it will get worse


Not under Trump

Just need a few more people around him to step up to the plate

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Oct 8, 2019 22:26:36   #
JustMPat
 
badbobby wrote:
yup, and it will get worse


Good post. I have been asking this same question for a couple of years now: With Sharia Law being so anti-feminist; carrying out female g*****l m********n, beatings of women who do not obey their husbands and honor k*****gs of women who do not adhere to Sharia Law... Where is Gloria Steinem on all of this? Why is she being so silent and why isn't she speaking out against the Muslims and their Sharia practices? Just asking.

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Oct 9, 2019 17:14:58   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Explaining away some Muslims’ beliefs on jihad, oppression of women, and more only makes them more difficult to combat.

When the Washington Corrections Center in Shelton, Washington, last week decided to hire its first Muslim chaplain — referred to obliquely as a “religious coordinator” — it also published an “infographic” that explains “true Islam.”

“Jihad,” we are told, “does not mean ‘holy war.’ Often mist***slated in Westernized media, the term simply means ‘to struggle’ or ‘to strive.’ ” Moreover, “Islam in its true form grants women man rights, and any Muslim man who oppresses women is not following the true words of Allah.”

Based on the original source for this text, “man rights” is supposed to be “many rights.” In fact, the text for the infographic was not copied and pasted, but edited and condensed. It seems that a state government official saw fit to review and alter the text before publishing.

Should a state governmental body be dictating what “true Islam” is?

For a start, Islam is not, of course, a monolith. Sunni Islam alone comprises hundreds of competing religious sects, political movements, schools of jurisprudence and theology, and various sets of mystical beliefs. Within that pandemonium, there is an enormously diverse array of views. Some are violent, some radical, some quietist, some moderate, some reformist; and then there are all those groupings in between these categories.

Thus, there are indeed some Islamic clerics and activists who may agree with the Washington state government’s explanation of “true Islam.” But others certainly do not.

Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, one of the most prominent clerics in the Middle East (and the spiritual leader of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood), wrote a long book on the jurisprudence of jihad, in which the term refers clearly to support for armed struggle.

As a review of the book published on Qaradawi’s own website (islamonline.net) explains, jihad is not about “spiritual values and behavioral virtues”; it is an armed struggle, and that “without jihad, the Ummah’s boundaries will be violated, the blood of its people will be as cheap as dust, its sanctuaries will be less worthy than a handful of desert sand, and it will be insignificant in the eyes of its enemies.”

Qaradawi’s work, by the way, is frequently cited by leading American clerics.

A 200-year-old book republished in 2016 by Al-Azhar — the most important Islamic seminary in the world — only refers to jihad as an “armed struggle.” And when, as NPR put it in 2003, “around the Muslim world, mainstream Muslim clerics are calling on their followers to make jihad, or holy war, against American troops” in Iraq, were they only asking for Muslims to practice a quiet internal struggle?

There are indeed Muslims — often from Sufi sects — who believe jihad to be a peaceful pursuit. And this is the point: there are myriad interpretations of Islam. From a non-Muslim standpoint, there can evidently be no “true Islam.”

It is certainly not up to government bodies to determine whether beliefs are religiously valid or not. Unless, that is, the illustrious officials of Washington state government are declaring Qaradawi and the leaders of Al-Azhar to be outside the fold of Islam.

Similarly, there are clerics who believe that women should be oppressed, in clear contradiction to the mighty infographic’s declarations. Take Yusuf Estes, for example, a prominent American Salafi cleric and a regular presenter on the American Islamic speaker circuit. Estes claims that “women do have a responsibility to obey their men, whether their fathers, brothers, husbands, or even grown-up sons.” He instructs Muslim men with disobedient wives to “roll up a newspaper and give her a crack. Or take a yardstick, something like this, and you can hit [her].”

Once again, there are also many Muslims who find such rulings abhorrent. So, is Estes no longer a “true” Muslim? Of course not.

Washington state officials are not the first to offer such absurdities. They’re everywhere. Barack Obama frequently spoke about Islam as a “religious that preaches peace.” George W. Bush made similar remarks. Theresa May, when Britain’s Home Secretary, told the Conservative Party conference that ISIS has “nothing to do with Islam.” Even H. R. McMaster, while serving as Trump’s national security adviser, reportedly stated that ISIS was “un-Islamic.”

In fact, Washington state’s source for its proclamations about Islam is rather peculiar. The infographic cites “Swedish Nomad,” a blog published by a “Professional Travel Blogger and Photographer from Sweden.” He is also very much a non-Muslim.

Relying on non-Muslims to explain “true Islam” to the world on behalf of Muslims everywhere is enormously helpful to the non-violent Islamists. These duplicitous extremists may spout hatred behind closed doors, but they too offer these infographic-themed platitudes in front of the cameras. This distances them from the jihadists and legitimizes them as examples of “true Islam.”

By denying the diversity of Islamic thought and speaking only of a dichotomy featuring true Muslims on one side and ISIS on the other, politicians and government officials homogenize Islam, making it impossible to separate moderate Muslim partners from the dangerous Islamist networks that operate lawfully within the “true Islam” of Western Muslim communities. This obfuscates counter-extremism and counter-terror work and hurts efforts by Muslim reformists to challenge Islamist influence within their own communities.

The inanity of such rhetoric also leads to fascinating uncertainties. In September, flyers posted around the town of Winchester, Massachusetts, contained only the text, “Islam is RIGHT about women.”

Local residents thought hardline Islamists were behind the message; a few online commentators thought progressivist activists were responsible; while the local Islamist organization, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, thought it might be the work of a mocking “Islamophobe.”

The fact that no one could be sure is rather telling.

Sam Westrop is director of Islamist Watch, a project of the Middle East Forum.

https://spectator.org/defining-true-islam-is-harder-than-progressives-think/?utm_source=American%20Spectator%20Emails&utm_campaign=c207469800-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_10_08_02_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_797a38d487-c207469800-104385953
b Explaining away some Muslims’ beliefs on jihad,... (show quote)


Islamaphobe is a made up word by HRC. I'll give you my take on them. There is no 'moderate muzzie." They are all liars who want to k**l you. I have no problem with them well maybe it's the ISIS f**g h*****g in my backyard. If they say "Are you an ISIS supporter too?" One less will be home for dinner. Read the letter I left.

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Oct 9, 2019 17:19:54   #
2quick4u Loc: Somewhere in central Tx...
 
JB..great reminder of the obvious and inevitable suicide mission which our pompously ignorant liberals are eagerly trying to commit and/or force upon us (and our entire modern Western culture)... In their typical arrogant fashion, these conceited snobs actually feel they're capable of 'striking a deal' and appeasing a barbaric culture that is openly dedicated to wiping every last one of us off the face of this earth-i***t liberals included.

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Oct 9, 2019 19:23:38   #
Radiance3
 
JustMPat wrote:
Good post. I have been asking this same question for a couple of years now: With Sharia Law being so anti-feminist; carrying out female g*****l m********n, beatings of women who do not obey their husbands and honor k*****gs of women who do not adhere to Sharia Law... Where is Gloria Steinem on all of this? Why is she being so silent and why isn't she speaking out against the Muslims and their Sharia practices? Just asking.


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Islam is deceptive. It will show the best of who they are at the start, once they are at the upper hand, then they take over. Their main objective is global conquest. That is how Europe and most parts of the world was taken over. They spread so fast, in 2015, 1.8 billion. Perhaps now more than that.
Deception and lying in taqiyya.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

If they are peaceful people, why is the Middle East the most troubled parts of the world? They slaughtered millions of Christians the most painful ways. Now few hundreds of Christians are left in the Middle East.

Obama said, Islam is a religion of peace. Tlaib and Omar want the Jewish people exterminated. Omar demands that US must worship Islam.

If you guys love Islam, perhaps, try living in the Middle East, and familiarize with your brethren. You may feel living comfortably with Islam.

US is a Christian country, and will always be. No Tlaib or Omar, can dictate and replace our Christian faith.
Those who love Islam can join Omar and Tlaib.

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