Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

There have been a lot of media buzz about impeaching Trump, but I don't understand the reason why. What crime did he commit?

Andrew Johnston, Richard Nixon, and Bill Clinton committed crimes. Infact each one of these presidents were convicted in a court of law, long before the House sought impeachment.

In all three cases, a v**e was called in the house for an inquiry before the investigations started. This is not happening here.

The Constitution says the House not the Speaker has the power to call for impeachment. If the House wants to exercise their power then doesn't it have to come to a v**e?

Nancy Pelosi claims a fair process, if that claim is true, why has Adam Schiff been appointed to be lead man in the inquiry?

Now Schiff is now suspected in coordinating the whistleblower claim. Now Trump is president and is charged with protecting this nation. For three years the press exploited false information on the president which was found by Muller to be insufficient evidence to bring charges against the president. Why can't the commander in chief, ask a foreign nation to look into the situation?

Now, Rudy Guelioni, Bill Barr, and Durum have been called to "investigate the investigators". Where's the State department?

I don't understand this ludicrous talk of impeachment. I hear accusations without convictions. I don't get it.

Kevyn

[quote=Ranger7374]There have been a lot of media buzz about impeaching Trump, but I don't understand the reason why. What crime did he commit?

Andrew Johnston, Richard Nixon, and Bill Clinton were not convicted of anything prior to impeachment, and Nixon was not impeached he resigned for the good of the country as Trump should. Mueller didn’t charge the president because justice department policy doesn’t allow a sitting president to be indicted, Trump clearly obstructed justice and committed ten criminal acts according to the Mueller report and would have been and likely will be charged when he leave’s or is removed from office.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

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On the contrary Nixon was convicted for covering up the Watergate burglary. Bill Clinton was convicted for perjury. It's been a while but I believe Johnston was convicted for ..... I don't remember let me look it up....

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Tenure of Office Act. He violated this law.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Also, Trump has not been accused of anything in a court of law. He has been accused in the court of public opinion and the jury has not yet made a decision. Therefore the president has not been charged with a crime in a court of law.

Radiance3

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The radical DEMS are impeaching president Trump for various reasons.
1. Hillary Clinton was defeated via the e*******l college v**es of 306 Trump, vs Hillary 272. Hillary got the popular v**e of 3 million more. There were 63 million who elected president Trump. Review discovered that there were about 5 million fraudulent v**es in favor or Hillary. That is not the reason.

2. When Obama left, he wanted Hillary Clinton to continue his plan for the US to t***sform and to realize the Hope and Change he had envisioned for America. Obama wanted Hillary to continue that. But Hillary lost. Despite of their aggressive attempts to defeat candidate Trump, he still won.

3. When Obama was at the WH, he started changing the constitution to "hope and change" of "Political Correctness". Now that is still carried on by the democrat radicals thru violence. A****a, MSGang13, and B*M, attacking the conservatives where ever they find them. They started destroying the statues of the Founders, like Jefferson and George Washington. And also, that of Gen. Lee, one of the most brilliant generals in history. They wanted to change history and replaced with their own. It was reported that they installed a huge bronze statue of Obama. I am not sure where it was set up.

Currently the 20 socialist democrat primary contenders are all Socialists. They want to bring this country to Socialism., perhaps that was the "Hope and Change" of Obama. . To enlarge the power of the leader, and minimize the peoples'. To confiscate assets of the people who've earned, while the leaders take most of the wealth, and the rest distributed to the people. This is similar in China, NK, and Cuba, Russia, and Venezuela’s Maduro. Except in China they engage in a moderate use of Capitalism. Honkong now is fighting against the c*******t rule of China.

If Socialism succeeds, our Christian faith will be so adversely affected. Most of the radical DEMS are not Christians. Many of them are Muslims like the members of the 4 Squad demanding that US must obey Islam faith.

The radical DEMS have used all kinds of fabricated efforts accusing the president of crimes that he never committed. Thus 4 of them imposed but their impeachment did not succeed.

This latest one in Ukraine is the slightest. The president did the right thing communicating with Zelensky, The Ukraine leader verbally stated that the president did not pressure him. There was no quid-pro-quo.

It was president Trump’s executive duty to communicate with foreign leaders to maintain security of both countries. Others are for mutual economic policy.

It was found out that Schiff had received the early Whistle Blower's report but Schiff lied. . The Whistle Blower asked him how to handle the process. I am sure Schiff doctored the report, because the transcript appeared professionally done by a lawyer compared to the original. I believe Schiff did that to f**e the report in order to blame the president.

I suppose the Dossier/FISA/and Russia Collusion report may be released soon. I hope all the named parties of the Deep State will be held accountable. I wonder why they are so slow.

PeterS

In the constitution, it's called "crimes and misdemeanors" so an outright crime doesn't have to be committed but to sum it up it goes basically like this.

1) CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATION

It’s a crime for an American to ask a foreigner for help winning a U.S. e******n. The assumption here is that the favor Trump was asking for was dirt that he could use to smear Biden during an e******n.

A theoretical future prosecutor would need to demonstrate that Trump sought something of value for his ree******n from Ukraine’s president and that he knew the law says he shouldn’t.

2) BRIBERY

Trump’s interaction with the Ukrainian president could potentially count as soliciting a bribe. The same law that makes it a crime to offer a bribe also makes it a crime to ask for one.

3) HONEST SERVICES FRAUD

Trump’s behavior toward Ukraine could count as honest services fraud, according to Barbara McQuade, Detroit’s former top federal prosecutor.

“The theory is that by performing an official act in exchange for personal gain, a public official defrauds his constituents of his honest services to make decisions and take actions that are in the best interests of the public,” McQuade wrote Wednesday on the Just Security blog.

4) EXTORTION

There’s a fine line between bribery and extortion, from the law’s point of view.

The difference generally hinges on whether the person being asked for a payout is more like an accomplice, or more like a victim. If the person is being threatened, then it may be extortion.

The whistleblower said Trump personally issued instructions to suspend almost $400 million worth of security aid to Ukraine, shortly before pressing Zelensky to “look into” Biden.

5) WITNESS INTIMIDATION

After the whistleblower’s complaint emerged, Trump called the source “almost a spy,” before apparently making a dark allusion to capital punishment for treason.

6) OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
The whistleblower wrote that after Trump’s infamous July 25 phone call with Ukraine’s president, the White House went into “lockdown.”

At the advice of White House lawyers, officials took the unorthodox step of moving records of the call into a separate system for protecting highly classified documents.

7) CONSPIRACY

Reaching an agreement with others to commit any of these other crimes would set up the possibility of a conspiracy charge.

A conspiracy is just folks getting together to commit a crime. You could potentially have a conspiracy to commit honest services fraud, conspiracy to obstruct justice or conspiracy to solicit a bribe.

A conspiracy charge requires not just an agreement, however, but also at least one overt act.

All of this has to be proven and even if the house does manage to prove part or all it will still have to go through a Senate that has shown itself to be indifferent to Trump's behavior. In other words, I wouldn't worry too much about this as the e******n is what's important here so if Trump can avoid a meltdown he still should be favored to win his ree******n.

Gatsby

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Mueller clearly stated, under oath, that his investigation was NOT OBSTRUCTED!

What part of NOT do YOU not understand?

Radiance3

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You have bunch of FABRICATED LIES there, Pete. Not one of your claim is credible. Amazing how LIBS lie!

Seth

Simple.

The Democrats have taken massive amounts of money from George Soros and his g*******t and far left friends.

The g*******ts, fronted by Soros, need a weakened U.S. (economy, social cohesion, etc) because America is the one solid obstacle to their plans for a new world order.

Obama was their point man. He divided America with an overdose of identity politics and social justice s**mming, damaged our economy, empowered Iran and other disruptive countries, empowered terrorist orgs like ISIS and sent millions of U.S. jobs offshore.

Hillary would have completed what Obama began in "fundamentally t***sforming" America. She lost the 2016 e******n.

Trump represented a threat to all Obama had "accomplished," and the Democrats declared war on him as soon as he was elected. Since then, he has undone most of the damage perpetrated by the Obama Administration, and he isn't done yet -- in fact, he's overseen the growth of our healthiest economy in decades, made good trade deals with other countries, made a priority of building up our military and of supporting religious rights the Democrats were whittling away.

With his every success, the left and the g*******t factions are pulled increasingly farther from their goals for America, and as such they're also becoming more and more desperate to get Trump out of the picture.

That's why we now see what we see.

The Dems, however, have pushed President Trump too far, and now he's about to teach them what happens when you mess with a guy from Queens.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

I see a lot of accusations but no official crime, which is defined in a trial, with a judge, jury, prosecution and defense. That was not done here. The Constitution states "crimes and misdemeanors" what crime?

I don't know about anyone else here but a crime is one that is committed by the accused, the accused is charged in a court of law, and a judgement against the accused is found in a trial.

So again I ask: what crime was committed here?

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Trump has not been charged with any criminal act, the "progressives" just want to get rid of him, as h is a barrier to their goal of a Marxist Welfare state, nd that is all that matters to the Socialists.

Seth

I answered your question.

There are no crimes -- it is exactly the same as the Russia collusion accusation. The Dems are desperate to get rid of President Trump, enough so that they will invent a crime or attempt to turn a non-crime into a crime. Period.

Resident lefties will parrot the B.S. coming from Adam Schitt & Co, but that's about all you'll get.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Trump is not being impeached, an impeachment inquiry is underway.....................to determine if he needs to be impeached.

Here's a question; if Trump has done nothing wrong, why is everyone freaking out, wouldn't an inquiry show that he did nothing wrong?

Seth

To me, it's like a spectator sport or, more accurately, an endless Road Runner cartoon with the Dems as Wile E. Coyote.

As a conservative, I enjoy watching the Democrats continue to make complete asses of themselves in their desperation to annul a legitimate (now going on 3 year old) e******n result, their motives obvious to everyone but themselves and each attempt to unseat the president costing them additional v**es not only for whichever court jester wins their primaries, but for the House and Senate as well.

Dumb and Dumber have nothing on today's Democrats.