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The Monster Conflict Of Interest, Too Easy To Understand...Impossible To Defend
Sep 25, 2019 13:31:41   #
woodguru
 
Patriots would agree on the importance of defending and aiding their allies, the honor and integrity of the country is at stake when it promises military aid in escalating situations. Ukraine is our ally, we consider it a crucial matter to send military aid to ward off attacks to this democracy by a dictator nation, in this case Russia. Russia doesn't want to take direct responsibility for taking over another country, one crucial to oil and gas supply lines, so it uses the weak subterfuge of using mercenaries so they can say this isn't Russia.

Regardless of whether you take sides and agree with supporting the Ukraine's democracy, or Russian forces is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the United States made a promise to support the Ukrainian efforts to fight off an attack with tanks and well armed mercenaries.

US state department, Intelligence, the pentagon, and congress deemed it crucial to national interests to aid the Ukraine's democracy in fighting Russia off. Congress authorized the funds, and neither the state department or pentagon could figure what the holdup was. While the Ukraine watched Putin gather tanks and forces and waited for the US military to deliver the promised anti tank weapons that would have allowed them to fight off the Russians, one man...Trump, was holding up the delivery of military aid.

The story is why he would do this, why he would defy congress in providing this support when it was not done through open channels at all. Then of course there would be the other monster in the room...

Putin...what do you think Putin thought about the US sending hundreds of millions in advanced weapons such as anti tank weapons?

So Trump slow walks desperately crucial military aid, and the Ukrainian forces are forced to withdraw and Russia overtakes this hotly contested region.

How can we trust this president to fulfill his duties to the country, when he defies congress and pulls something that was so damaging to our ally and benefitted Putin so much? You can wail and cry about Biden and corruption and no quid pro quo all you want, Trump defied the will of this country when it promised military aid and support, and did Putin a huge military strategic favor...nothing changes that or makes any difference.

Now he's pulled military funds from other allied nations that are designed specifically to defend against Russian attacks. There is a disturbing pattern here.

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Sep 25, 2019 13:42:53   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
woodguru wrote:
Patriots would agree on the importance of defending and aiding their allies, the honor and integrity of the country is at stake when it promises military aid in escalating situations. Ukraine is our ally, we consider it a crucial matter to send military aid to ward off attacks to this democracy by a dictator nation, in this case Russia. Russia doesn't want to take direct responsibility for taking over another country, one crucial to oil and gas supply lines, so it uses the weak subterfuge of using mercenaries so they can say this isn't Russia.

Regardless of whether you take sides and agree with supporting the Ukraine's democracy, or Russian forces is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the United States made a promise to support the Ukrainian efforts to fight off an attack with tanks and well armed mercenaries.

US state department, Intelligence, the pentagon, and congress deemed it crucial to national interests to aid the Ukraine's democracy in fighting Russia off. Congress authorized the funds, and neither the state department or pentagon could figure what the holdup was. While the Ukraine watched Putin gather tanks and forces and waited for the US military to deliver the promised anti tank weapons that would have allowed them to fight off the Russians, one man...Trump, was holding up the delivery of military aid.

The story is why he would do this, why he would defy congress in providing this support when it was not done through open channels at all. Then of course there would be the other monster in the room...

Putin...what do you think Putin thought about the US sending hundreds of millions in advanced weapons such as anti tank weapons?

So Trump slow walks desperately crucial military aid, and the Ukrainian forces are forced to withdraw and Russia overtakes this hotly contested region.

How can we trust this president to fulfill his duties to the country, when he defies congress and pulls something that was so damaging to our ally and benefitted Putin so much? You can wail and cry about Biden and corruption and no quid pro quo all you want, Trump defied the will of this country when it promised military aid and support, and did Putin a huge military strategic favor...nothing changes that or makes any difference.

Now he's pulled military funds from other allied nations that are designed specifically to defend against Russian attacks. There is a disturbing pattern here.
Patriots would agree on the importance of defendin... (show quote)


The disturbing pattern was that "before Trump" other presidents allowed our allies to c***t on paying their fair share for European defense. Trump got many of them to pony up and pay. You can be certain Putin did not like it. Before you go to bed tonight check under your bed to make certain there is no Russian hiding there.

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Sep 25, 2019 13:43:56   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
woodguru wrote:
Patriots would agree on the importance of defending and aiding their allies, the honor and integrity of the country is at stake when it promises military aid in escalating situations. Ukraine is our ally, we consider it a crucial matter to send military aid to ward off attacks to this democracy by a dictator nation, in this case Russia. Russia doesn't want to take direct responsibility for taking over another country, one crucial to oil and gas supply lines, so it uses the weak subterfuge of using mercenaries so they can say this isn't Russia.

Regardless of whether you take sides and agree with supporting the Ukraine's democracy, or Russian forces is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the United States made a promise to support the Ukrainian efforts to fight off an attack with tanks and well armed mercenaries.

US state department, Intelligence, the pentagon, and congress deemed it crucial to national interests to aid the Ukraine's democracy in fighting Russia off. Congress authorized the funds, and neither the state department or pentagon could figure what the holdup was. While the Ukraine watched Putin gather tanks and forces and waited for the US military to deliver the promised anti tank weapons that would have allowed them to fight off the Russians, one man...Trump, was holding up the delivery of military aid.

The story is why he would do this, why he would defy congress in providing this support when it was not done through open channels at all. Then of course there would be the other monster in the room...

Putin...what do you think Putin thought about the US sending hundreds of millions in advanced weapons such as anti tank weapons?

So Trump slow walks desperately crucial military aid, and the Ukrainian forces are forced to withdraw and Russia overtakes this hotly contested region.

How can we trust this president to fulfill his duties to the country, when he defies congress and pulls something that was so damaging to our ally and benefitted Putin so much? You can wail and cry about Biden and corruption and no quid pro quo all you want, Trump defied the will of this country when it promised military aid and support, and did Putin a huge military strategic favor...nothing changes that or makes any difference.

Now he's pulled military funds from other allied nations that are designed specifically to defend against Russian attacks. There is a disturbing pattern here.
Patriots would agree on the importance of defendin... (show quote)


Ukraine is not one of our allies….they are a CHAIRTY case and do not offer any strategic benefit to the USA! Indeed, they and Russia are in a ceasefire agreement right now and both have sued for peace.


You can spin things any way you want, it does not change facts.

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Sep 25, 2019 13:44:11   #
Liberty Tree
 
woodguru wrote:
Patriots would agree on the importance of defending and aiding their allies, the honor and integrity of the country is at stake when it promises military aid in escalating situations. Ukraine is our ally, we consider it a crucial matter to send military aid to ward off attacks to this democracy by a dictator nation, in this case Russia. Russia doesn't want to take direct responsibility for taking over another country, one crucial to oil and gas supply lines, so it uses the weak subterfuge of using mercenaries so they can say this isn't Russia.

Regardless of whether you take sides and agree with supporting the Ukraine's democracy, or Russian forces is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the United States made a promise to support the Ukrainian efforts to fight off an attack with tanks and well armed mercenaries.

US state department, Intelligence, the pentagon, and congress deemed it crucial to national interests to aid the Ukraine's democracy in fighting Russia off. Congress authorized the funds, and neither the state department or pentagon could figure what the holdup was. While the Ukraine watched Putin gather tanks and forces and waited for the US military to deliver the promised anti tank weapons that would have allowed them to fight off the Russians, one man...Trump, was holding up the delivery of military aid.

The story is why he would do this, why he would defy congress in providing this support when it was not done through open channels at all. Then of course there would be the other monster in the room...

Putin...what do you think Putin thought about the US sending hundreds of millions in advanced weapons such as anti tank weapons?

So Trump slow walks desperately crucial military aid, and the Ukrainian forces are forced to withdraw and Russia overtakes this hotly contested region.

How can we trust this president to fulfill his duties to the country, when he defies congress and pulls something that was so damaging to our ally and benefitted Putin so much? You can wail and cry about Biden and corruption and no quid pro quo all you want, Trump defied the will of this country when it promised military aid and support, and did Putin a huge military strategic favor...nothing changes that or makes any difference.

Now he's pulled military funds from other allied nations that are designed specifically to defend against Russian attacks. There is a disturbing pattern here.
Patriots would agree on the importance of defendin... (show quote)


You will try anything to divert attention from the real problem, but it will not work. People are on to the partisan t***h ignoring fraud you are.

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Sep 25, 2019 13:50:33   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Castigate Barack Obama if you're looking for a culprit. This was on his watch.

It is decidedly easy to blame President Trump at this late stage, but dishonest and untrue.

Quote verifiable sources for each of your claims against the current president of the United States. - even one would be an improvement.

Ukraine had deposed of their l********e p*******t, and until recently had no legitimate government.

"From the end of February 2014, demonstrations by pro-Russian and anti-government groups took place in major cities across the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine, in the aftermath of the Euromaidan movement and the 2014 Ukrainian revolution.

"During the first stage of the unrest, Crimea was annexed by the Russian Federation after a Russian military intervention, and an internationally criticized (based on UN resolution) Crimean referendum. Protests in Donetsk and Luhansk regions (oblasts) escalated into an armed pro-Russian separatist insurgency.

"From late 2014, cities outside of the Donbass combat zone, such as Kharkiv, Odessa, Kiev and Mariupol, were struck by bombings that targeted pro-Ukrainian unity organizations. To maintain control over southeastern territories Ukraine's government started "antiterrorist operation" (ATO) sending armed forces to suppress separatists. The armed conflict between Ukraine's government forces and pro-Russian rebels is known as War in Donbass."

Wikipedia



woodguru wrote:
Patriots would agree on the importance of defending and aiding their allies, the honor and integrity of the country is at stake when it promises military aid in escalating situations. Ukraine is our ally, we consider it a crucial matter to send military aid to ward off attacks to this democracy by a dictator nation, in this case Russia. Russia doesn't want to take direct responsibility for taking over another country, one crucial to oil and gas supply lines, so it uses the weak subterfuge of using mercenaries so they can say this isn't Russia.

Regardless of whether you take sides and agree with supporting the Ukraine's democracy, or Russian forces is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the United States made a promise to support the Ukrainian efforts to fight off an attack with tanks and well armed mercenaries.

US state department, Intelligence, the pentagon, and congress deemed it crucial to national interests to aid the Ukraine's democracy in fighting Russia off. Congress authorized the funds, and neither the state department or pentagon could figure what the holdup was. While the Ukraine watched Putin gather tanks and forces and waited for the US military to deliver the promised anti tank weapons that would have allowed them to fight off the Russians, one man...Trump, was holding up the delivery of military aid.

The story is why he would do this, why he would defy congress in providing this support when it was not done through open channels at all. Then of course there would be the other monster in the room...

Putin...what do you think Putin thought about the US sending hundreds of millions in advanced weapons such as anti tank weapons?

So Trump slow walks desperately crucial military aid, and the Ukrainian forces are forced to withdraw and Russia overtakes this hotly contested region.

How can we trust this president to fulfill his duties to the country, when he defies congress and pulls something that was so damaging to our ally and benefitted Putin so much? You can wail and cry about Biden and corruption and no quid pro quo all you want, Trump defied the will of this country when it promised military aid and support, and did Putin a huge military strategic favor...nothing changes that or makes any difference.

Now he's pulled military funds from other allied nations that are designed specifically to defend against Russian attacks. There is a disturbing pattern here.
Patriots would agree on the importance of defendin... (show quote)

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Sep 25, 2019 13:57:38   #
Lonewolf
 
woodguru wrote:
Patriots would agree on the importance of defending and aiding their allies, the honor and integrity of the country is at stake when it promises military aid in escalating situations. Ukraine is our ally, we consider it a crucial matter to send military aid to ward off attacks to this democracy by a dictator nation, in this case Russia. Russia doesn't want to take direct responsibility for taking over another country, one crucial to oil and gas supply lines, so it uses the weak subterfuge of using mercenaries so they can say this isn't Russia.

Regardless of whether you take sides and agree with supporting the Ukraine's democracy, or Russian forces is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the United States made a promise to support the Ukrainian efforts to fight off an attack with tanks and well armed mercenaries.

US state department, Intelligence, the pentagon, and congress deemed it crucial to national interests to aid the Ukraine's democracy in fighting Russia off. Congress authorized the funds, and neither the state department or pentagon could figure what the holdup was. While the Ukraine watched Putin gather tanks and forces and waited for the US military to deliver the promised anti tank weapons that would have allowed them to fight off the Russians, one man...Trump, was holding up the delivery of military aid.

The story is why he would do this, why he would defy congress in providing this support when it was not done through open channels at all. Then of course there would be the other monster in the room...

Putin...what do you think Putin thought about the US sending hundreds of millions in advanced weapons such as anti tank weapons?

So Trump slow walks desperately crucial military aid, and the Ukrainian forces are forced to withdraw and Russia overtakes this hotly contested region.

How can we trust this president to fulfill his duties to the country, when he defies congress and pulls something that was so damaging to our ally and benefitted Putin so much? You can wail and cry about Biden and corruption and no quid pro quo all you want, Trump defied the will of this country when it promised military aid and support, and did Putin a huge military strategic favor...nothing changes that or makes any difference.

Now he's pulled military funds from other allied nations that are designed specifically to defend against Russian attacks. There is a disturbing pattern here.
Patriots would agree on the importance of defendin... (show quote)


Putin must be very happy with his purchase!!

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Sep 25, 2019 14:20:18   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Putin must be very happy with his purchase!!


My goodness, Lone; you actually spelled and punctuated everything correctly! I'm glad you are back on your meds again. Now go get your pudding.

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Sep 25, 2019 15:04:00   #
rebob14
 
woodguru wrote:
Patriots would agree on the importance of defending and aiding their allies, the honor and integrity of the country is at stake when it promises military aid in escalating situations. Ukraine is our ally, we consider it a crucial matter to send military aid to ward off attacks to this democracy by a dictator nation, in this case Russia. Russia doesn't want to take direct responsibility for taking over another country, one crucial to oil and gas supply lines, so it uses the weak subterfuge of using mercenaries so they can say this isn't Russia.

Regardless of whether you take sides and agree with supporting the Ukraine's democracy, or Russian forces is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the United States made a promise to support the Ukrainian efforts to fight off an attack with tanks and well armed mercenaries.

US state department, Intelligence, the pentagon, and congress deemed it crucial to national interests to aid the Ukraine's democracy in fighting Russia off. Congress authorized the funds, and neither the state department or pentagon could figure what the holdup was. While the Ukraine watched Putin gather tanks and forces and waited for the US military to deliver the promised anti tank weapons that would have allowed them to fight off the Russians, one man...Trump, was holding up the delivery of military aid.

The story is why he would do this, why he would defy congress in providing this support when it was not done through open channels at all. Then of course there would be the other monster in the room...

Putin...what do you think Putin thought about the US sending hundreds of millions in advanced weapons such as anti tank weapons?

So Trump slow walks desperately crucial military aid, and the Ukrainian forces are forced to withdraw and Russia overtakes this hotly contested region.

How can we trust this president to fulfill his duties to the country, when he defies congress and pulls something that was so damaging to our ally and benefitted Putin so much? You can wail and cry about Biden and corruption and no quid pro quo all you want, Trump defied the will of this country when it promised military aid and support, and did Putin a huge military strategic favor...nothing changes that or makes any difference.

Now he's pulled military funds from other allied nations that are designed specifically to defend against Russian attacks. There is a disturbing pattern here.
Patriots would agree on the importance of defendin... (show quote)


Care to comment on the US buildup in Poland, at their request, of tanks and artillery units and other forces, as part of NATO? Wasn’t too long ago that O’flim.flam.bama castigated the right for clinging to a “second rate regional power” (Russia) as an enemy that no longer rated being feared by the nuanced and global west. Now, because a guy without a secret decoder ring owns the narrative, the Russians are suddenly re-empowered. Now they are an unstoppable juggernaut that we ignore at our peril. There’s a “disturbing pattern” here all right.............: the ignorance and situational necessity that obliterates history and reason, and causes us to stand, frozen in indecision, in the face of enemies that have had us in their crosshairs for over one hundred years! The mortal threat is not Russia...........it is us!!! We have disempowered our institutions of education and substituted a a system of mental and spiritual fluff. We have created a couple of generations of blank slates.....and.......those of us who should be writing on them are not. Everyone derides “Hillary’s village”, but, I’m afraid we’re living in it.

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Sep 26, 2019 13:23:02   #
Auntie Dee
 
rebob14 wrote:
Care to comment on the US buildup in Poland, at their request, of tanks and artillery units and other forces, as part of NATO? Wasn’t too long ago that O’flim.flam.bama castigated the right for clinging to a “second rate regional power” (Russia) as an enemy that no longer rated being feared by the nuanced and global west. Now, because a guy without a secret decoder ring owns the narrative, the Russians are suddenly re-empowered. Now they are an unstoppable juggernaut that we ignore at our peril. There’s a “disturbing pattern” here all right.............: the ignorance and situational necessity that obliterates history and reason, and causes us to stand, frozen in indecision, in the face of enemies that have had us in their crosshairs for over one hundred years! The mortal threat is not Russia...........it is us!!! We have disempowered our institutions of education and substituted a a system of mental and spiritual fluff. We have created a couple of generations of blank slates.....and.......those of us who should be writing on them are not. Everyone derides “Hillary’s village”, but, I’m afraid we’re living in it.
Care to comment on the US buildup in Poland, at th... (show quote)


SO TRUE!

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Sep 26, 2019 14:23:20   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Putin must be very happy with his purchase!!


Stop tooting your own horn. I would have taken you back for a refund long ago.

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Sep 26, 2019 14:26:01   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
Patriots would agree on the importance of defending and aiding their allies, the honor and integrity of the country is at stake when it promises military aid in escalating situations. Ukraine is our ally, we consider it a crucial matter to send military aid to ward off attacks to this democracy by a dictator nation, in this case Russia. Russia doesn't want to take direct responsibility for taking over another country, one crucial to oil and gas supply lines, so it uses the weak subterfuge of using mercenaries so they can say this isn't Russia.

Regardless of whether you take sides and agree with supporting the Ukraine's democracy, or Russian forces is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the United States made a promise to support the Ukrainian efforts to fight off an attack with tanks and well armed mercenaries.

US state department, Intelligence, the pentagon, and congress deemed it crucial to national interests to aid the Ukraine's democracy in fighting Russia off. Congress authorized the funds, and neither the state department or pentagon could figure what the holdup was. While the Ukraine watched Putin gather tanks and forces and waited for the US military to deliver the promised anti tank weapons that would have allowed them to fight off the Russians, one man...Trump, was holding up the delivery of military aid.

The story is why he would do this, why he would defy congress in providing this support when it was not done through open channels at all. Then of course there would be the other monster in the room...

Putin...what do you think Putin thought about the US sending hundreds of millions in advanced weapons such as anti tank weapons?

So Trump slow walks desperately crucial military aid, and the Ukrainian forces are forced to withdraw and Russia overtakes this hotly contested region.

How can we trust this president to fulfill his duties to the country, when he defies congress and pulls something that was so damaging to our ally and benefitted Putin so much? You can wail and cry about Biden and corruption and no quid pro quo all you want, Trump defied the will of this country when it promised military aid and support, and did Putin a huge military strategic favor...nothing changes that or makes any difference.

Now he's pulled military funds from other allied nations that are designed specifically to defend against Russian attacks. There is a disturbing pattern here.
Patriots would agree on the importance of defendin... (show quote)


The only conflict of interest I see was in sending Biden to Ukraine to extort Ukraine into firing their states prosecutor who was investigating his son's company. That, by the way, is an ACTUAL case of obstruction of justice.

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Sep 27, 2019 03:59:21   #
Auntie Lulu
 
padremike wrote:
The disturbing pattern was that "before Trump" other presidents allowed our allies to c***t on paying their fair share for European defense. Trump got many of them to pony up and pay. You can be certain Putin did not like it. Before you go to bed tonight check under your bed to make certain there is no Russian hiding there.



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Sep 27, 2019 04:04:26   #
Auntie Lulu
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
The only conflict of interest I see was in sending Biden to Ukraine to extort Ukraine into firing their states prosecutor who was investigating his son's company. That, by the way, is an ACTUAL case of obstruction of justice.


Amen and amen! I have to laugh when I see the film clip of Biden bragging about giving the Ukranian's a six hour time limit to "fire the prosecutor." For those who may not know, John Kerry's son was also a sitting member of that Board of Directors. I am left wondering how many other children of political power houses have reaped the benefits of their parental efforts of extortion?

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