Another Massacre that you Probably Never Heard About
Sep 21, 2019 07:22:53 #
The Facts:
A U.S. drone attack k**led 30 pine nut farmers and wounded at least 40 others in Afghanistan Wednesday night, the latest k*****g of innocent civilians by American forces as the "war on terror" enters its 19th year.
The farmers had just finished work and were sitting by a fire when the strike happened, according to tribal elder Malik Rahat Gul.
Reteurs reported that there may be more farmers missing:
Haidar Khan, who owns the pine nut fields, said about 150 workers were there for harvesting, with some still missing as well as the confirmed dead and injured.
A survivor of the drone strike said about 200 laborers were sleeping in five tents pitched near the farm when the attack happened.
In a statement, Colonel Sonny Leggett, the spokesman for the U.S. campaign in Afghanistan, said the attack was aimed at "Da’esh (IS) terrorists in Nangarhar" province.
"We are aware of allegations of the death of non-combatants and are working with local officials to determine the facts," said Leggett.
However, Leggett said, the blame for the massacre is squarely on IS and the Taliban — not U.S. forces.
"We are fighting in a complex environment against those who intentionally k**l and hide behind civilians, as well as use dishonest claims of noncombatant casualties as propaganda weapons," Leggett said.
The Questions:
1. Who is responsible for the death of 30 innocent civilians, and the wounding of at least 40 more, the US who bombed the civilians, or IS and the Taliban who the US states "to hide behind civilians"?
2. Why is the US still fighting in Afghanistan after 19 years, and do you feel this action is defending our country from military attack by Afghanistan?
3. Picture your husband, brother, or son as one of the dead or injured. How do you think the people of Afghanistan view the US? Let me re-phrase that. If Afghanistan occupied the US for the past 19 years, with the end result of so many civilian deaths and destruction, how would you regard the US?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/another-total-massacre-ignored-mainstream-us-drone-strike-k**ls-30-farmers-afghanistan
A U.S. drone attack k**led 30 pine nut farmers and wounded at least 40 others in Afghanistan Wednesday night, the latest k*****g of innocent civilians by American forces as the "war on terror" enters its 19th year.
The farmers had just finished work and were sitting by a fire when the strike happened, according to tribal elder Malik Rahat Gul.
Reteurs reported that there may be more farmers missing:
Haidar Khan, who owns the pine nut fields, said about 150 workers were there for harvesting, with some still missing as well as the confirmed dead and injured.
A survivor of the drone strike said about 200 laborers were sleeping in five tents pitched near the farm when the attack happened.
In a statement, Colonel Sonny Leggett, the spokesman for the U.S. campaign in Afghanistan, said the attack was aimed at "Da’esh (IS) terrorists in Nangarhar" province.
"We are aware of allegations of the death of non-combatants and are working with local officials to determine the facts," said Leggett.
However, Leggett said, the blame for the massacre is squarely on IS and the Taliban — not U.S. forces.
"We are fighting in a complex environment against those who intentionally k**l and hide behind civilians, as well as use dishonest claims of noncombatant casualties as propaganda weapons," Leggett said.
The Questions:
1. Who is responsible for the death of 30 innocent civilians, and the wounding of at least 40 more, the US who bombed the civilians, or IS and the Taliban who the US states "to hide behind civilians"?
2. Why is the US still fighting in Afghanistan after 19 years, and do you feel this action is defending our country from military attack by Afghanistan?
3. Picture your husband, brother, or son as one of the dead or injured. How do you think the people of Afghanistan view the US? Let me re-phrase that. If Afghanistan occupied the US for the past 19 years, with the end result of so many civilian deaths and destruction, how would you regard the US?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/another-total-massacre-ignored-mainstream-us-drone-strike-k**ls-30-farmers-afghanistan
Sep 21, 2019 08:10:50 #
ACP45 wrote:
The Facts: br br A U.S. drone attack k**led 30 pi... (show quote)
It must be true. It’s on the internet.
Sep 21, 2019 08:42:44 #
If we can not defeat Afganistan who has no army, navy od airforce how do we expect to defeat Iran with 90 million people who h**e us and can fightback?
Sep 21, 2019 09:46:19 #
jim_shipley wrote:
If we can not defeat Afganistan who has no army, navy od airforce how do we expect to defeat Iran with 90 million people who h**e us and can fightback?
We never think of those things jim or not until its to late that is
Sep 21, 2019 09:55:24 #
Before Jimmy Carter's human rights disaster of ignorance in Iran, the U.S. was loved in a very westernized Iran.
In the mid twentieth century, US-Iran relations prospered. Many Americans celebrated Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as a model ruler/king. President Lyndon B. Johnson pronounced in 1964: "What is going on in Iran is about the best thing going on anywhere in the world."
During the 1970's Iran's Shah propelled Iran into becoming a dynamic middle-east regional power. The Shah implemented broad economic and social reforms, including enhanced rights for women, and religious and ethnic minorities. Economic and educational reforms were adopted, initiatives to cleanse politics of social upheaval were systematized, and the civil service system was reformed. When sectors of society r**ted to demand even greater freedom, the Shah promised constitutional reform to favor democracy.
During that period of the 1970's under the Shah, the U.S. had more Iranian students in this country acquiring degrees than from any other country on earth. They loved the U.S.
In the face of Soviet and fundamentalist Islamic pressures, constitutional reform remained on the back burner, as the Shah built what on paper was the world's fifth or sixth largest armed force. In 1976, it had an estimated 3,000 tanks, 890 helicopter gunships, over 200 advanced fighter aircraft, the largest fleet of hovercraft in any country and 9,000 anti-tank missiles.
The Shah used Iran's military might to address regional crises consistent with foreign relations goals of the United States. The Nixon and Ford administrations endorsed these efforts and allowed the Shah to acquire virtually unlimited quantities of any non-nuclear weapons in the American arsenal.
In accord with the pleasant US-Iran relations then-existing, President Carter spent New Year's Eve in 1977 with the Shah and toasted Iran as "an island of stability in one of the more troubled areas of the world". Nonetheless, between 1975 and 1978, the Shah's popularity fell due to the Carter administration's misguided implementation of human rights policies.
The e******n of Mr. Carter as president of the United States in 1976, with his vocal emphasis on the importance of human rights in international affairs, was a turning point in US-Iran relations. The Shah of Iran was accused by his enemies of torturing over 3000 prisoners.
Under the banner of promoting human rights, Carter made excessive demands of the Shah, threatening to withhold military and social aid. Carter pressured the Shah to release "political prisoners", whose ranks included radical fundamentalists, c*******ts and terrorists. Many of these individuals are now among the opponents we face in our "war on terrorism".
The Carter Administration insisted that the Shah disband military tribunals, demanding they be replaced by civil courts. The effect was to allow trials to serve as platforms for anti-government propaganda. Carter pressured Iran to permit "free assembly", which encouraged and fostered fundamentalist anti-government rallies.
Moreover, within a year of the Shah's ouster, Iran on its western flank was locked into the Iran-Iraq War, in which the U.S. sided with secular Iraq and its military dictator Saddam Hussein.
In retrospect, the Iran-Iraq War would never have occurred had Jimmy Carter not weakened the Shah's regime. This conflict cost the two nations more than 500,000 lives, including thousands of Iranians k**led by Saddam Hussein's use of chemical weapons. The Iran-Iraq war triggered the rise of Saddam Hussein as a major power whose invasion of Kuwait was repelled by Desert Storm. The United States refrained from deposing Saddam Hussein in a continuation of the Desert Storm operation out of concern that the resulting "power vacuum" would be filled by Iran's Ayatollahs.
Thus Jimmy Carter's misguided busybody implementation of western human rights policies in a nation he did not understand, not only indirectly led to the o*******w of the Shah of Iran, but also paved the way for the loss of more than 600,000 lives, Iran's dictatorial rule by Ayatollahs, the incredibly bloody Iran-Iraq War, Iraq's Invasion of Kuwait and Desert Storm, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, and subsequently, the mass murder of 3,000 Americans and the destruction of the World Trade Center towers on September 11, 2001.
The British government and its MI6 intelligence agency also heightened the Shah's precariousness. The government-controlled BBC presented Iranians with a dossier of twenty hour newscasts detailing the location of all anti-Shah demonstrations and consistent interviews with the exiled outcast Ayatollah Khomeini, making a tyrannical, fundamentalist, religious scholar few Iranians knew about into an overnight sensation.
When the Shah was unable to meet the Carter Administration and British demands, the Carter Administration reportedly ordered the Central Intelligence Agency to stop $4 million per year in funding to religious Mullahs who then became outspoken and vehement opponents of the Shah. Unfortunately, the Shah's efforts to defuse the volatile situation in Iran failed, despite the grant even of free and democratic e******ns. Confronted with lack of US support and unleashed Mullah fury, the Shah of Iran fled the country.
Subsequent to the Carter Administration's ill-conceived foreign policy initiative, Iran is now a dungeon. Ayatollah Khomeini's dictatorship executed the Shah's prisoners, predominantly c*******t militants, along with more than 20,000 pro-Western Iranians. Women were sent back into servitude. Citizens were arrested merely for owning satellite dishes that could tune to Western programs.
Iran has no shortage of oil in the ground or cash in hand.
Its oil reserves are estimated at second only to Saudi Arabia's, and Iran is OPEC's fourth-biggest producer of crude.
What Iran lacks are sufficient refineries to keep pace with its thirst for fuel. Iran is almost fully dependent on trucks to move goods. The number of cars is rising each year as drivers from the baby boom decade after the 1979 Islamic Revolution take the wheel.
Iran imports more than 40 percent of its gasoline and diesel needs. It comes mostly from the Middle East but also from as far away as Venezuela.
Iran has nurtured and expanded its military and terrorist activities, including the development of nuclear weapons, at the expense of such basic expenditures as the development of it's own refineries, so how efficiently and for what length could they sustain a war with the U.S.?
The Iranian parliament has now been dutifully chanting "Death to America," for five decades, but it is doubtful that the majority of the people feel this way, as they long for their own freedom from the oppressive Ayatollahs.
In the mid twentieth century, US-Iran relations prospered. Many Americans celebrated Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as a model ruler/king. President Lyndon B. Johnson pronounced in 1964: "What is going on in Iran is about the best thing going on anywhere in the world."
During the 1970's Iran's Shah propelled Iran into becoming a dynamic middle-east regional power. The Shah implemented broad economic and social reforms, including enhanced rights for women, and religious and ethnic minorities. Economic and educational reforms were adopted, initiatives to cleanse politics of social upheaval were systematized, and the civil service system was reformed. When sectors of society r**ted to demand even greater freedom, the Shah promised constitutional reform to favor democracy.
During that period of the 1970's under the Shah, the U.S. had more Iranian students in this country acquiring degrees than from any other country on earth. They loved the U.S.
In the face of Soviet and fundamentalist Islamic pressures, constitutional reform remained on the back burner, as the Shah built what on paper was the world's fifth or sixth largest armed force. In 1976, it had an estimated 3,000 tanks, 890 helicopter gunships, over 200 advanced fighter aircraft, the largest fleet of hovercraft in any country and 9,000 anti-tank missiles.
The Shah used Iran's military might to address regional crises consistent with foreign relations goals of the United States. The Nixon and Ford administrations endorsed these efforts and allowed the Shah to acquire virtually unlimited quantities of any non-nuclear weapons in the American arsenal.
In accord with the pleasant US-Iran relations then-existing, President Carter spent New Year's Eve in 1977 with the Shah and toasted Iran as "an island of stability in one of the more troubled areas of the world". Nonetheless, between 1975 and 1978, the Shah's popularity fell due to the Carter administration's misguided implementation of human rights policies.
The e******n of Mr. Carter as president of the United States in 1976, with his vocal emphasis on the importance of human rights in international affairs, was a turning point in US-Iran relations. The Shah of Iran was accused by his enemies of torturing over 3000 prisoners.
Under the banner of promoting human rights, Carter made excessive demands of the Shah, threatening to withhold military and social aid. Carter pressured the Shah to release "political prisoners", whose ranks included radical fundamentalists, c*******ts and terrorists. Many of these individuals are now among the opponents we face in our "war on terrorism".
The Carter Administration insisted that the Shah disband military tribunals, demanding they be replaced by civil courts. The effect was to allow trials to serve as platforms for anti-government propaganda. Carter pressured Iran to permit "free assembly", which encouraged and fostered fundamentalist anti-government rallies.
Moreover, within a year of the Shah's ouster, Iran on its western flank was locked into the Iran-Iraq War, in which the U.S. sided with secular Iraq and its military dictator Saddam Hussein.
In retrospect, the Iran-Iraq War would never have occurred had Jimmy Carter not weakened the Shah's regime. This conflict cost the two nations more than 500,000 lives, including thousands of Iranians k**led by Saddam Hussein's use of chemical weapons. The Iran-Iraq war triggered the rise of Saddam Hussein as a major power whose invasion of Kuwait was repelled by Desert Storm. The United States refrained from deposing Saddam Hussein in a continuation of the Desert Storm operation out of concern that the resulting "power vacuum" would be filled by Iran's Ayatollahs.
Thus Jimmy Carter's misguided busybody implementation of western human rights policies in a nation he did not understand, not only indirectly led to the o*******w of the Shah of Iran, but also paved the way for the loss of more than 600,000 lives, Iran's dictatorial rule by Ayatollahs, the incredibly bloody Iran-Iraq War, Iraq's Invasion of Kuwait and Desert Storm, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, and subsequently, the mass murder of 3,000 Americans and the destruction of the World Trade Center towers on September 11, 2001.
The British government and its MI6 intelligence agency also heightened the Shah's precariousness. The government-controlled BBC presented Iranians with a dossier of twenty hour newscasts detailing the location of all anti-Shah demonstrations and consistent interviews with the exiled outcast Ayatollah Khomeini, making a tyrannical, fundamentalist, religious scholar few Iranians knew about into an overnight sensation.
When the Shah was unable to meet the Carter Administration and British demands, the Carter Administration reportedly ordered the Central Intelligence Agency to stop $4 million per year in funding to religious Mullahs who then became outspoken and vehement opponents of the Shah. Unfortunately, the Shah's efforts to defuse the volatile situation in Iran failed, despite the grant even of free and democratic e******ns. Confronted with lack of US support and unleashed Mullah fury, the Shah of Iran fled the country.
Subsequent to the Carter Administration's ill-conceived foreign policy initiative, Iran is now a dungeon. Ayatollah Khomeini's dictatorship executed the Shah's prisoners, predominantly c*******t militants, along with more than 20,000 pro-Western Iranians. Women were sent back into servitude. Citizens were arrested merely for owning satellite dishes that could tune to Western programs.
Iran has no shortage of oil in the ground or cash in hand.
Its oil reserves are estimated at second only to Saudi Arabia's, and Iran is OPEC's fourth-biggest producer of crude.
What Iran lacks are sufficient refineries to keep pace with its thirst for fuel. Iran is almost fully dependent on trucks to move goods. The number of cars is rising each year as drivers from the baby boom decade after the 1979 Islamic Revolution take the wheel.
Iran imports more than 40 percent of its gasoline and diesel needs. It comes mostly from the Middle East but also from as far away as Venezuela.
Iran has nurtured and expanded its military and terrorist activities, including the development of nuclear weapons, at the expense of such basic expenditures as the development of it's own refineries, so how efficiently and for what length could they sustain a war with the U.S.?
The Iranian parliament has now been dutifully chanting "Death to America," for five decades, but it is doubtful that the majority of the people feel this way, as they long for their own freedom from the oppressive Ayatollahs.
jim_shipley wrote:
If we can not defeat Afganistan who has no army, navy od airforce how do we expect to defeat Iran with 90 million people who h**e us and can fightback?
Sep 21, 2019 09:59:48 #
ACP45 wrote:
The Facts: br br A U.S. drone attack k**led 30 pi... (show quote)
We are responsible for those death we pulled the trigger I don't know what the hurry was the strike that Target possibly waiting for daylight could have prevented that
I have no idea why we're still there some say to guard the poppies some say we have mining interest there I know as long as we're there and as long as we accidentally k**ls civilians the world is going to become far more dangerous by the day
How do we feel about the people that perpetrated 911 well that's exactly the way they feel about us. This argument that they hide behind Pain is ridiculous what would they expect them to do they wear sandals I have no tanks no planes no high-tech or sophisticated weaponry so it wouldn't make sense for them to walk out in the middle of the battlefield and meet us they do what they have to do. Afghanistan is called the graveyard of the armies of the world and put a lie to me I don't no I would think we would fare any better
Sep 21, 2019 10:18:07 #
jim_shipley wrote:
If we can not defeat Afganistan who has no army, navy od airforce how do we expect to defeat Iran with 90 million people who h**e us and can fightback?
It is the leaders who h**e us because we represent freedom to an ens***ed people. Most of those 90 million would love for the U. S. to free them from religious s***ery and tyranny.
Sep 21, 2019 10:19:36 #
Because claiming that "only innocent civilians were k**led" is the routine response of al-Quaeda, the Taliban, and Isis, also known as D'aish, whenever they are successfully attacked by the U.S., we do not yet know who was k**led.
They always attempt to inflame their own population and easily conned liberal westerners with lies, spread through our duplicitous and accommodating media.
It is a remote area, and verification of fatalities by those we can trust requires time.
If enemies, in daylight they would have been gone, or at least hidden from view.
They always attempt to inflame their own population and easily conned liberal westerners with lies, spread through our duplicitous and accommodating media.
It is a remote area, and verification of fatalities by those we can trust requires time.
If enemies, in daylight they would have been gone, or at least hidden from view.
Lonewolf wrote:
We are responsible for those death we pulled the t... (show quote)
Sep 21, 2019 10:24:33 #
ACP45 wrote:
The Facts: br br A U.S. drone attack k**led 30 pi... (show quote)
Mistakes happen in war, especially when the enemy hides among civilians. Why is it that you never seem to remember the deliberate attacks by the Taliban and IS on there own people. Just last month there was a deliberate suicide bomb at a wedding that k**led way over 50 and maimed over 200. Why is it that you forget what the Taliban did the last time they got in charge. They k**led at will, ens***ed women and went on a rampage as put the country unwillingly into extremist persecution to their totalitarian religious beliefs.
And IS was even worse in Iraq and what is left it i Afganistan.
Sep 21, 2019 10:31:31 #
JFlorio
Loc: Seminole Florida
Zemirah wrote:
Because claiming that "only innocent civilian... (show quote)
Also people like lonewuss would rather believe the Taliban's version.
Sep 21, 2019 11:21:23 #
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
Mistakes happen in war, especially when the enemy ... (show quote)
You just made a good case to get out let them k**l each other but as long as they target us in anyway I would deny the the right to travel by air!
Sep 22, 2019 10:47:45 #
Zemirah wrote: Before Jimmy Carter's human rights disaster of ignorance in Iran, the U.S. was loved in a very westernized Iran.
What you wrote is your own or you took it from someone. If it is yours I ask permission to use the data; and if not, I beg you to tell me where you took it. It is very important to have this story at hand.
What you wrote is your own or you took it from someone. If it is yours I ask permission to use the data; and if not, I beg you to tell me where you took it. It is very important to have this story at hand.
Sep 22, 2019 11:40:23 #
My words are my own, Alber, from my own memories, enhanced with online readily available statistics from government or news reports from years ago.
I lived through Jimmy Carter's reign of ignorance and incompetence.
During the 80's I knew graduate students who were unable to return to Iran after the Shah fell, for they would have been summarily and cruelly executed. They were also, for the most part, unable to receive funds from wealthy parents in Iran, and thus tried desperately to maintain their status as students in order to remain in this University town containing 49,000 students, often holding on by their fingernails...
For example, a doctoral student who survived by driving a taxi, or a graduate music student in classical cello waiting tables. Even this was iffy, as their student visas allowed little employment...
You are welcome to use the information.
I lived through Jimmy Carter's reign of ignorance and incompetence.
During the 80's I knew graduate students who were unable to return to Iran after the Shah fell, for they would have been summarily and cruelly executed. They were also, for the most part, unable to receive funds from wealthy parents in Iran, and thus tried desperately to maintain their status as students in order to remain in this University town containing 49,000 students, often holding on by their fingernails...
For example, a doctoral student who survived by driving a taxi, or a graduate music student in classical cello waiting tables. Even this was iffy, as their student visas allowed little employment...
You are welcome to use the information.
Alber wrote:
Zemirah wrote: Before Jimmy Carter's human rights disaster of ignorance in Iran, the U.S. was loved in a very westernized Iran.
What you wrote is your own or you took it from someone. If it is yours I ask permission to use the data; and if not, I beg you to tell me where you took it. It is very important to have this story at hand.
What you wrote is your own or you took it from someone. If it is yours I ask permission to use the data; and if not, I beg you to tell me where you took it. It is very important to have this story at hand.
Sep 22, 2019 12:18:56 #
ACP45 wrote:
The Facts: br br A U.S. drone attack k**led 30 pi... (show quote)
30 innocents! What about the more than 2000 on 911? Casualties of war! They can look like anyone!
Sep 22, 2019 16:37:49 #
ACP45 wrote:
The Facts: br br A U.S. drone attack k**led 30 pi... (show quote)
1. I don't care.
2. Nope, it hasn't been since we got there.
3. I was almost k**led myself multiple times both there and in the US., that's why I h**e the muzzies. I suppose if I was one I'd h**e the US., but I'm not so f**k the towelheads!
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