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Jun 9, 2014 10:18:27   #
Brian Devon
 
Patty wrote:
Brian calling me "stupid, gullible and telling me to move to Iran" Is not the way to back up your claims.



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I cut no slack for anyone who prevents this country from becoming a first world nation, with first world effective gun restrictions and first world gun fatality rates.

It's time our nation had gun death rates more like Japan than El Salvador.

I have strong feelings about the Isla Vista murders. I went to college at UC Santa Barbara as did my eldest daughter.

My mother and eldest sister were robbed at gun point by a man with an easily concealable hand gun. It was in the shadows of my mother's front entry. He possessed the element of surprise. By the time they saw him, his gun was already aimed at them. If they had reached for a concealed weapon they would have been dead.

Time to put some of these gun manufacturers and their patrons out of business. Like I said, unless you are a member of a state m*****a I don't want to hear your lies about God given gun rights with no infringements.

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Jun 9, 2014 10:20:21   #
Patty
 
Please post where I said it was? I understand if you need to rant this morning but it sure doesn't do your argument much good.
None of the 3 branches have the power to make laws where the power to do so is not directly given to them. Constitutional Law 101.
Brian Devon wrote:
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Nice try Einstein. The mention of a creator is from the Declaration of Independence, not the U.S. Constitution. Only the constitution is a governing legal document.

The U.S. Constitution is not one and the same with state constitutions.

Like I said, if you want to live in a country run on religious principles move to Iran. You can find lots of God talk in their rules for living.

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Jun 9, 2014 10:23:05   #
Patty
 
"I cut no slack for anyone who prevents this country from becoming a first world nation" That is obviously not true since you don't call out Obama for his use of his cell phone and pen. Nowhere in the constitution does it saying anything about executive orders either.
Why would you blame the gun and excuse the criminal. Your thinking that if only criminals have guns then they will show us mercy as the rob and rape us is seriously flawed.
Brian Devon wrote:
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I cut no slack for anyone who prevents this country from becoming a first world nation, with first world effective gun restrictions and first world gun fatality rates.

It's time our nation had gun death rates more like Japan than El Salvador.

I have strong feelings about the Isla Vista murders. I went to college at UC Santa Barbara as did my eldest daughter.

My mother and eldest sister were robbed at gun point by a man with an easily concealable hand gun. It was in the shadows of my mother's front entry. He possessed the element of surprise. By the time they saw him, his gun was already aimed at them. If they had reached for a concealed weapon they would have been dead.

Time to put some of these gun manufacturers and their patrons out of business. Like I said, unless you are a member of a state m*****a I don't want to hear your lies about God given gun rights with no infringements.
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Jun 9, 2014 10:24:40   #
MrEd Loc: Georgia
 
Patty wrote:
“We hold these t***hs to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. – That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, – That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it…”
Generally, the word "God" will appear in two places in most constitutions. The first place is in the preamble to the constitution. The second place is in the religion clauses in the bill of rights. For example, the word "God" appears in the preamble in eight state constitutions. In four states, the "Supreme Ruler of the Universe" is used instead. By far, the most popular divine reference in a preamble is "Almighty God." This appears in the preamble of 30 state constitutions. In some states, the state constitution does not have a preamble. However, a divine reference can be found in the religion clauses in the bill of rights in each instance. There is only one state constitution which has a preamble that does not have a divine reference of any kind. This is the Constitution of Oregon. But here the words "Almighty God" appear in the state religion clauses.
“We hold these t***hs to be self-evident, that all... (show quote)



Patty, one minor correction. The REAL Declaration of Independence says "inalienable", not unalienable. I know, all, or most, of the reprints have unalienable in them, but that is incorrect. Just a thought.

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Jun 9, 2014 10:26:04   #
Patty
 
Thanks.
MrEd wrote:
Patty, one minor correction. The REAL Declaration of Independence says "inalienable", not unalienable. I know, all, or most, of the reprints have unalienable in them, but that is incorrect. Just a thought.

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Jun 9, 2014 10:27:12   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
Brian Devon wrote:
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Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein are highly educated compassionate women. They both have been our state's senators for 22 years, easily and repeatedly winning re-e******n. The v**ers of this state are quite proud of them.

I support them both 100% in their desire to reign in some of the gun disease in this nation, where our firearms death rates are dramatically higher than Canada, Japan, and Europe.

Many of us don't care to dine with Yosemite Sam goobers fondling their AR-15s.

Gun restraining orders would be a small but good step for bringing us online with the gun restrictions of the other first world developed nations, who have significantly lower gun death rates.

Kudos to Barbara and Diane. I have v**ed for both of them many times.

Many of us feel that our right to live trumps your right to be paranoid and have a gun arsenal.

Unless you are a member of a state m*****a (they disappeared in the 1860s), you can shut up about your 2nd amendment right to have no infringements on your guns.

The overwhelming majority of this nation wants sensible gun control. Most of the gun owners want sensible gun control. Most are not members of the NRA, the honey bucket carriers, for the gun manufacturers. Those manufacturers? Their motto is, "Buy our products to protect yourself from the other users of our products".

Hey, what could go wrong if Americans are stupid enough to buy that line of thinking?

The casket makers are rooting for Americans to continue to be that gullible.
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Brian-education and common sense are two different things-many have a great education but no common sense. Since a large majority of these shootings have been by members of liberal democrat families maybe we need to look at how these children were raised. Were they given everything they wanted and allowed to do what they pleased or was there a modicum of discipline in the home. Seems like every time something like this occurs the democrats want to pass a new law which most democrats will not read or enforce. People need to be educated about mental illness and society needs to remove the stigma often attached to that illness so young children can be treated before it is too late. Our society has become too politically correct in that one can be charged if he/she dares spank his/her child. As a result we have a generation of whiny brats who are allowed to run amok . Gun control laws are a facade used by democrats who are incapable of addressing the real problem which is total lack of discipline in the home. The person who is intent on committing gun violence does not read gun laws and he can find a gun of his choice on many of our streets. Scenario-a teenager wants to buy a gun but someone informs authorities that he may be dangerous so they refuse to sell him a gun. He then finds out through the grapevine who ratted on him, buys a gun from a street gang and k**ls the person who ratted on him. Far fetched ? Maybe, but remember that the only way three people can keep a secret is if two of them are dead. Good Luck America !!!

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Jun 9, 2014 10:43:37   #
BearK Loc: TN
 
Just received this email which does a good job of showing how absurd some of these nuts are about getting rid of guns;

Subject: Absurd Conclusions?

Today I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington 30.06
right in my doorway. I left 6 shells beside it, then left it alone
and went about my business. While I was gone, the mailman delivered my
mail, the neighbor boy across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked
her dog down the street, and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign
near the front of our house. After about an hour, I checked on the
gun. It was still sitting there, right where I had left it. It hadn't
moved itself outside. It certainly hadn't k**led anyone, even with the
numerous opportunities it had been presented to do so. In fact, it
hadn't even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all
the media hype about how dangerous guns are and how they k**l people.
Either the media is wrong or I'm in possession of the laziest gun in
the world.


The United States is 3rd in Murders throughout the World. But if you
take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and New Orleans, the United
States is 4th from the bottom for Murders. These 4 Cities also have
the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States. All 4 are
controlled by Democrats.

It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data – right?


Well, I'm off to check on my spoons.
I hear they're making people fat.


OH YES, Michelle Obama is now going after the spoons!

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Jun 9, 2014 10:53:00   #
Brian Devon
 
BearK wrote:
Just received this email which does a good job of showing how absurd some of these nuts are about getting rid of guns;

Subject: Absurd Conclusions?

Today I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington 30.06
right in my doorway. I left 6 shells beside it, then left it alone
and went about my business. While I was gone, the mailman delivered my
mail, the neighbor boy across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked
her dog down the street, and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign
near the front of our house. After about an hour, I checked on the
gun. It was still sitting there, right where I had left it. It hadn't
moved itself outside. It certainly hadn't k**led anyone, even with the
numerous opportunities it had been presented to do so. In fact, it
hadn't even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all
the media hype about how dangerous guns are and how they k**l people.
Either the media is wrong or I'm in possession of the laziest gun in
the world.


The United States is 3rd in Murders throughout the World. But if you
take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and New Orleans, the United
States is 4th from the bottom for Murders. These 4 Cities also have
the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States. All 4 are
controlled by Democrats.

It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data – right?


Well, I'm off to check on my spoons.
I hear they're making people fat.


OH YES, Michelle Obama is now going after the spoons!
Just received this email which does a good job of ... (show quote)



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If you research the gun deaths from firearms you will find the highest rates in the "guns everywhere" states of the old confederacy. Maybe you don't mind dining next to Yosemite Sam, but a whole lot of us do. In Calif. Ronald Reagan signed a law making sure we don't have to. The rest of the nation deserves the same.

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Jun 9, 2014 10:58:08   #
Patty
 
It must be defective is all I can think of.
BearK wrote:
Just received this email which does a good job of showing how absurd some of these nuts are about getting rid of guns;

Subject: Absurd Conclusions?

Today I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington 30.06
right in my doorway. I left 6 shells beside it, then left it alone
and went about my business. While I was gone, the mailman delivered my
mail, the neighbor boy across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked
her dog down the street, and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign
near the front of our house. After about an hour, I checked on the
gun. It was still sitting there, right where I had left it. It hadn't
moved itself outside. It certainly hadn't k**led anyone, even with the
numerous opportunities it had been presented to do so. In fact, it
hadn't even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all
the media hype about how dangerous guns are and how they k**l people.
Either the media is wrong or I'm in possession of the laziest gun in
the world.


The United States is 3rd in Murders throughout the World. But if you
take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and New Orleans, the United
States is 4th from the bottom for Murders. These 4 Cities also have
the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States. All 4 are
controlled by Democrats.

It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data – right?


Well, I'm off to check on my spoons.
I hear they're making people fat.


OH YES, Michelle Obama is now going after the spoons!
Just received this email which does a good job of ... (show quote)


:roll: :roll:

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Jun 9, 2014 11:01:32   #
Patty
 
According to data from the FBI’s uniform crime reports, California had the highest number of gun murders in 2011 with 1,220 — which makes up 68 percent of all murders in the state that year and equates to 3.25 murders per 100,000 people.

The irony of such a grisly distinction is evident when you look at which state was named the state with the strongest gun control laws in 2011 by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. You guessed it — it was California.

“What is very unusual is that California also has a program by which we can remove guns, recover guns from people who have a gun and then subsequently become prohibited or dangerous,” Brady Campaign spokeswoman Amanda Wilcox said at the time.

It should be noted, though, that California is also one of the biggest states in the country, with a population of about about 37 million. Therefore, it might make sense that it would have a high number of murders but its murder rate is still high as gun control has had a seemingly inconsequential impact. In comparison, Texas has a population of about 25.6 million and saw 699 total gun murders in 2011 — nearly half that of California — and a firearms murder rate of 2.91 per 100,000.
Brian Devon wrote:
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If you research the gun deaths from firearms you will find the highest rates in the "guns everywhere" states of the old confederacy. Maybe you don't mind dining next to Yosemite Sam, but a whole lot of us do. In Calif. Ronald Reagan signed a law making sure we don't have to. The rest of the nation deserves the same.

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Jun 9, 2014 16:10:25   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Patty wrote:

Of course we have the God-given right to keep and bear arms, to self-defense, etc., etc. Our Declaration of Independence recognizes that our Rights come from God and are unalienable.

The 2nd Amendment to our federal Constitution recognizes that this God-given right to keep and bear arms is to be free from any interference WHATSOEVER from the federal government.


I'm going to get to your bizarro statements above, because I'm tired of hearing MY RIGHTS being misquoted.

California already has laws on the books: see information here http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/pdf/cfl2013.pdf Look on Page 2 to wit: Any person while he or she is either a voluntary patient in a mental health
facility or under a gravely disabled conservatorship (due to a mental
disorder or impairment by chronic alcoholism) and if he or she is found
to be a danger to self or others. (Welf. & Inst. Code, § 8103, subd. (e).)
They don't need a special moratorium, it's their law enforce it.

...and Moses came down from Mount Ararat, he told the Jews, get thee guns, because it is your God given right and God told you to get some guns...

...Jesus spoke to the people and reminded them, they deserve guns, because it is their right, as heavenly father created a world in which everyone is entitled to a gun...

Sounds a little stupid doesn't Patty?

And from the Declaration of independence:...the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them...this is not quoted from scripture it is hyperbole. I can't "walk" to God given right from this, first because it sounds like, science, that's what I call Laws of Nature and then it sounds like Nature created God? It is very strange wording indeed. There is no reference in scripture, therefore it is hyperbole.

The second amendment word for word: A well regulated m*****a, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

There is no caveat, God given right, it simply states the Federal Government has no right to infringe upon your right to firearms.

Please stop talking nonsense.

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Jun 9, 2014 16:17:29   #
Patty
 
If you want people to start reading your posts then you might want to consider a new opening. Run along now dummy.
"I'm going to get to your bizarro statements above" :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Jun 10, 2014 05:37:38   #
Harpooner1
 
Brian Devon wrote:
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Nice try Einstein. The mention of a creator is from the Declaration of Independence, not the U.S. Constitution. Only the constitution is a governing legal document.

The U.S. Constitution is not one and the same with state constitutions.

Like I said, if you want to live in a country run on religious principles move to Iran. You can find lots of God talk in their rules for living.


Brian, seriously.....Mommy hasn't changed your diapers yet?
Poor baby. It must be tough to grow up and have no friends.
Bitterness and cynical thoughts do wear you down over time...So sad. You write words without meaning just read your own tripe.

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Jun 10, 2014 05:53:36   #
Patty
 
I think that Cali. would be a great test state. Let them confiscate every law abiding citizens guns and lets see what happens when the gangs realize there will be no resistance to them.
Do they really7 think this guy is going to protect them. They will be to busy enforcing the ban on open toed shoes on the beach after 7:00 pm.
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/new-jersey-dress-code/
Harpooner1 wrote:
Brian, seriously.....Mommy hasn't changed your diapers yet?
Poor baby. It must be tough to grow up and have no friends.
Bitterness and cynical thoughts do wear you down over time...So sad. You write words without meaning just read your own tripe.



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Jun 10, 2014 09:25:17   #
Babsan
 
Patty wrote:
How Orwellian of them.

Like clockwork, just a couple of weeks after 22-year-old La Isla Shooter Elliot Rodger — who had been taking the psychotropic mediation Xanax for at least six months prior — reportedly k**led seven people and injured another 13 — vehement anti-gun Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein joined fellow Dem. California Senator Barbara Boxer and Dem. Representative Lois Capps to introduce “The Pause for Safety Act”.

The legislation would limit a person’s ability to purchase or possess a gun if that person’s family member(s) or “others” believe him or her to pose a threat to him/herself or others should he/she purchase or have a gun.




According to the press release on Sen. Barbara Boxer’s website, The Pause for Safety Act would “empower families to prevent gun violence” three ways:
One, ensure that families and others can go to court to seek a gun violence prevention order to temporarily stop someone close to them who poses a threat to himself, herself or others from purchasing a firearm.
Two, ensure that a court can issue a gun violence prevention warrant that would allow law enforcement to take temporary possession of firearms that are in an individual’s possession if the court determines that the individual poses a threat to himself, herself or others.
Three, ensure that law enforcement makes full use of all existing state and local gun databases when assessing a tip, warning or request from a concerned family member or other close associate. [emphasis added]

“It is haunting that the family of the gunman who committed this massacre in Isla Vista was desperate to stop a tragedy, and yet they lacked the tools to do so,” Senator Boxer said in her statement. “My bill would give families and associates who fear someone close to them could commit violence new tools to help prevent these tragedies.”

Her statement goes on to say the bill would essentially bribe states via a grant program:


The measure would create a new grant program – the Pause for Safety Grant Program – to help support these efforts. States that take action to enact these preventive measures would be eligible for the grants to provide resources for courts and law enforcement as they implement these measures.




Clearly you can see where this act would (quite easily) lead to potential abuse and outright subversion of a person’s 2nd Amendment rights.

If anyone who is a family member or claims to be a “close associate” can submit a tip that someone else poses a potential threat (wh**ever that criteria is), that person’s gun purchasing and ownership rights can apparently be (at least temporarily, if not longer) stripped.

Every time someone hopped up on psych meds k**ls a bunch of people, our supposed public servants use it as an excuse to go after the general public at large’s Constitutional rights.

Sad, but typical.


Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/06/anti-gunner-dianne-feinstein-barbara-boxer-push-gun-confiscation-pause-safety-act/#LwCcgYBADt4VGqgT.99
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California C****es/DEMONcrats,self explanatory

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