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Sep 20, 2019 06:43:53   #
Big Kahuna
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
This is another in the mountains of evidence the Hitler was a progressive. He was a darling of the progressives of the early part of the twentieth century. Of course, people like PeterS, Kevyn, moldyoldy, wood guru, factnotfiction, Lone Wolf, etc. will never admit it but they can't escape the t***h and the t***h is that Hitler's eugenics (extermination) program was modeled after American progressives such as Planned Parenthood's Margaret Sanger and Lother Stoddard. In America it lead to the forced sterilizations that were performed well into the 1960s.

Progressives do not care about human rights because they worship themselves through their stand-in, government. PeterS, Kevyn, moldyoldy, wood guru, factnotfiction, Lone Wolf, etc. will not answer this but they might respond with an avoidance but they will not address the facts. They have more in common with the F*****ts and the N**is than conservatives do. They have to answer for Hitler. We don't.

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HITLER THE PROGRESSIVE



Has the mass murder of Europe’s Jews eclipsed the other significant horrors of Hitler’s Germany? Does it matter? And is it possible to address this without being accused by the thought police of belittling the Holocaust? Let me try.
These questions are raised in the greatest film released in the past year, Never Look Away. Made by the aristocrat Florian von Donnersmarck, the director who created the masterpiece The Lives of Others, it has yet to attract the cult following rightly achieved by his first major work. I think it ought to. It is beautiful, immensely powerful, and packed with thoughts about goodness, the temptations of power and evil, and the nature of art. The film’s depictions of the morally complicated yet triumphant birth of a baby amid misery and ruin, and of the cynical use of a******n in a father’s evil attempt to end his daughter’s love affair, are firmly on the side of humanity, and should be treasured in their own right.
At the heart of the story is a Dickensian mystery of unrevealed guilt, quite unbelievable but based upon a true story. The original evil act destroys a beautiful young woman, suffering from some unknown mental illness, who is caught by Hitler’s eugenics program. Even if you think you know about this sordid corner of National Socialism, which begins with steely pseudo-rationalism and ends in rank murder, the relatively gentle portrayal of this crime and the others happening alongside it will greatly shock and distress you. But it, and other elements of this film, ought also to waken the consciences of many on the self-described progressive left.
For these progressives, the N**i era has been both a sort of moral scripture and a source of certainties. With increasing force since the 1970s, the left has managed to associate the Hitler period with the political and moral right. Here, they insist, is every aspect of conservatism in full power. Behold, they say, the evils which follow from conservative thought, from love of country and martial strength. See here how the ideas behind immigration controls or sexual conservatism also lead inescapably to the Yellow Star and the Pink Triangle, the death camp, the gas chamber, and the crematorium.
Above all, when it studies the mass murder of Europe’s Jews it can assert with relief that nothing of this kind stains our hygienic and enlightened society, which put an end to everything of this sort nearly eighty years ago. Indeed, we all can assert this—which is interesting given that many conservative European societies, wh**ever their faults, never engaged in racial mass murder and in many cases bravely resisted and frustrated it when it was imposed on them by occupying invaders.
This fact complicates the simple logic which has permitted so many liberals, for so long, to cry “F*****t!” at conservatives, and so silence and marginalize them. It might cause the more intelligent progressives to consider, with a little more care, what National Socialism actually was. If it was what they say it was, why was it so hostile to the Christian church, a body which modern liberals tend to see as a force for conservatism? And why did N**is and C*******ts cooperate, most spectacularly in that great ignored spasm of cynicism, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of August 1939—the most astonishing political event of the twentieth century and the least known?
We are told that Stalin did it out of bitter necessity, to buy time, and that there was no true friendship or alliance in it. The awkward t***h is that it was far warmer than that. There was a joint N**i-Soviet victory parade in Brest Litovsk. Everyone in the pictures of this event looks happy (the unhappy people had already been shot or locked up). And the Soviet NKVD secret police, the essence of C*******m, the sword and shield of the C*******t Party, then staged a prisoner exchange with Hitler’s Gestapo, likewise the very core of National Socialist fervor. If you admit these things, then you are in historical trouble, and it is trouble which the film Never Look Away helps to foment.
For some background it is worth turning to Julia Boyd’s fascinating Travellers in the Third Reich. This work is unusual in that it discusses just how similar C*******m and National Socialism were, in some respects. She quotes Denis de Rougemont, a Christian Swiss writer and cultural theorist. De Rougemont began by thinking that Hitler’s state was a regime of the right. But during a lengthy stay in Frankfurt as a visiting professor, he found himself involuntarily questioning this. “What unsettled him,” writes Boyd, “was the fact that those who stood most naturally on the right—lawyers, doctors, industrialists and so on—were the very ones who most bitterly denounced National Socialism. Far from being a bulwark against C*******m, they complained, it was itself c*******m in disguise” [my emphasis].
De Rougemont recounted: “They pointed out that only workers and peasants benefited from N**i reforms, while their own values were being systematically destroyed by devious methods. They were taxed disproportionately, their family life had been irreparably harmed, parental authority sapped, religion stripped and education eliminated.”
A lawyer’s wife complained to him, “Every evening my two children are taken over by the Party.” This experience was not all that different from what was happening at the same time to the children of Soviet parents. The N**is, being utopian fanatics more concerned with the future than the present, were prepared to pay quite a high price for taking over the minds of the young. As Thomas Mann’s daughter Erika pointed out in her excoriating book on the subject, School for Barbarians, the quality of education was gravely damaged under the Hitler regime, which (as left-wing regimes also often do) promoted or protected bad but politically acceptable teachers, and polluted the teaching of all arts and historical subjects. It believed it was more urgent to teach the young what to think than to show them how to think.
Hitler himself taunted his opponents for their powerlessness against him. They might rage at him as much as they liked, but “When an opponent declares ‘I will not come over to your side’ I say calmly ‘Your child belongs to us already . . . What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing but this new community.’” He was so nearly right.
As for the defeated left, a startling number of them came over to the new camp almost immediately. De Rougemont spoke to a renegade C*******t who had switched sides and joined the Hitlerites, who said,
Now that [Hitler] has won, he has only to implement his programme. It was almost the same as ours. But he has been more cunning, he reassured the bourgeois by not immediately [my emphasis] attacking religion . . . I will tell you one thing: if they abandon him, all these fat pigs who are around him . . . I will go and fight for him! He at least is a sincere man; he is the only one.
National Socialism was egalitarian and horribly modern. It sided with children against parents and (often) teachers. It built super-highways, gigantic holiday camps, space rockets, and jet engines. It planned to create mass car ownership—though tanks, in the end, came first. In military matters it was open to the newest ideas and encouraged innovation and initiative. It poured resources into the movie industry, developed television, and sponsored a type of Godless modern architecture which can still be seen in the Berlin Olympic Stadium and the remnants of the Nuremberg parade grounds. Its leaders embraced sexual freedom.
And then there were Hitler’s eugenics schemes, portrayed so heartbreakingly in Never Look Away. These were conducted in public at the beginning, and even endorsed by noisy propaganda campaigns in the media. And they were far from unique: N**i Germany, in this case, was following the democracies. Hitler’s eugenics squads began in ways that the rest of the world (at the time) could not easily object to. Compulsory sterilization of the supposedly mentally unfit was introduced in Germany a few months after National Socialism came to power. But several free and enlightened countries—including Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, and the U.S.—had also permitted it in various forms, and would in some cases carry on doing so into our own era.
It was a progressive cause, embraced at the time by the progressives’ progressive, H. G. Wells. Marie Stopes, the great apostle of contraception in interwar Britain, was also—like many among the progressives of the time—a keen eugenicist. In 1935, she attended a Congress for Population Science in N**i Berlin. In August 1939, she even sent Hitler a volume of her dreadful poems, accompanied by a treacly epistle about love. Yet all this has been forgotten amid continuing progressive admiration for Marie Stopes’s embrace of what are nowadays known as “reproductive rights.” Marie Stopes International, a powerful and flourishing modern organization, still bears her name as it campaigns for and defends those “reproductive rights.”
Am I saying (someone will accuse me of this) that modern a******n and contraception campaigners are N**is, or inheritors of N**is? Certainly not. I regard any such claim as ridiculous rubbish—as ridiculous as the claim that modern patriotic conservatives, skeptical about mass immigration, are N**is or inheritors of N**is.
My point is wholly different. It is that all ideas must be argued on their merits, and that all attempts to establish guilt by association should be regarded with suspicion. And that those who wish to use the Hitler era as a way of depriving others of legitimacy should understand that this period, precisely because it cast aside the restraints of Christian morality and duty, liberated many ideas from ancient, sometimes despised limits which turned out, in the end, to be wise and kind.
Peter Hitchens is a columnist for the Mail on Sunday.
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This is another in the mountains of evidence the H... (show quote)


And don't forget about the other socialist progressives; Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Che, Chavez, Maduro, Kim Un, Trotsky, Ovommit. The most murders in the history of the world is wrapped up in this gang of fools.

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Sep 20, 2019 06:53:56   #
Big Kahuna
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Good good luck with that but I'm sad to say that Trump and the new Trump party are F*****t r****t and quite similar to N**is


Then quit wearing that SS emblem on your lapels every time you venture outside!!

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Sep 20, 2019 06:58:54   #
Big Kahuna
 
proud republican wrote:
No, its DumboRat Party that you belong to are f*****ts,r****ts and belong to N**i Party


I always suspected lonelyone was a f*****t, N**i, mysogenist, r****t, infanticidist, and small bully. Probably a member of the #Metoo movement and Pink Pu$$y group. Throw in that he is probably a sharia loving islamist with ties to Hamas and the rock throwing Palestinians and we have the complete biography of lonelyone.

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Sep 20, 2019 07:02:41   #
Big Kahuna
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
As soon as I read Slatten, I knew this ignorance was coming. Trump is not a f*****t nor is he the rebirth of Hitler. Get off this kick.

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Sep 20, 2019 11:08:45   #
ReverseDiversity
 
Despite having some Rightist beliefs, Hitler opposed the Old Right and structured his party after the C*******t model. Like neoconservatives and libertarians, National Socialists tried to find a way of being Right-wing by applying Left-wing methods, and it failed spectacularly.

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Sep 20, 2019 12:38:00   #
debeda
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Good good luck with that but I'm sad to say that Trump and the new Trump party are F*****t r****t and quite similar to N**is


Interesting perspective. I am a conservative and have no desire to control anyone's speech, actions, wh**ever so long as it doesnt impact others in a TANGIBLE negative way.
Proglibs want to control everything and everyone, even down to their thoughts.....

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Sep 20, 2019 12:38:38   #
debeda
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
As soon as I read Slatten, I knew this ignorance was coming. Trump is not a f*****t nor is he the rebirth of Hitler. Get off this kick.



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Sep 20, 2019 13:01:04   #
ReverseDiversity
 
debeda wrote:
Proglibs want to control everything and everyone, even down to their thoughts.....


When you argue for a conjectural belief ("e******y") you have an unstable position, which is why L*****ts are threatened by deviation from conformity.

As has been said before, extremist conservatives censor the opposite; L*****ts censor anyone who is not L*****t enough.

We all endorse some level of censorship (child porn, nuclear bomb-making instructions, etc) but the Left wants to shape thought so that only L*****t ideas can be allowed.

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Sep 20, 2019 13:18:27   #
debeda
 
ReverseDiversity wrote:
When you argue for a conjectural belief ("e******y") you have an unstable position, which is why L*****ts are threatened by deviation from conformity.

As has been said before, extremist conservatives censor the opposite; L*****ts censor anyone who is not L*****t enough.

We all endorse some level of censorship (child porn, nuclear bomb-making instructions, etc) but the Left wants to shape thought so that only L*****t ideas can be allowed.


Well, honestly, I'm not sure that they can be successful at that. Because 95% of their ideas are insane - and aren't practically applicable. If their ideas WERE practically applicable, Chicago and Baltimore, for instance, would both be Utopian, being long time dem cities (Chicago 80 years)
I worked for some time for an educational foundation. Education as a whole is quite "progressive" (l*****t). ALL they know how to do is throw money at things, and when those things don't work throw MORE money at them. That appears to be the dem solution for everything, homelessness in CA being a good example. BILLIONS thrown at it and the problem keeps growing cuz core issues not addressed. The dems' leadership and mindset as a whole appears to be bereft of creativity or three dimensional thinking, IMO.

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Sep 20, 2019 16:13:30   #
Carol Kelly
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Good good luck with that but I'm sad to say that Trump and the new Trump party are F*****t r****t and quite similar to N**is


Only if you’re wearing blinders.

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Sep 20, 2019 16:14:16   #
debeda
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Only if you’re wearing blinders.



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Sep 20, 2019 16:29:22   #
ReverseDiversity
 
debeda wrote:
If their ideas WERE practically applicable, Chicago and Baltimore, for instance, would both be Utopian, being long time dem cities (Chicago 80 years)


It helps to remember that their first foray, the French Revolution, set that country onto a path to being not a superpower as it was but a political non-entity.

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Sep 20, 2019 16:32:45   #
debeda
 
ReverseDiversity wrote:
It helps to remember that their first foray, the French Revolution, set that country onto a path to being not a superpower as it was but a political non-entity.


Somewhat true. The French, I believe, after the revolution set out to be a pure democracy, not socialist. Thank goodness the United States was set up as a Republic.

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Sep 20, 2019 17:27:12   #
Tug484
 
debeda wrote:
Interesting perspective. I am a conservative and have no desire to control anyone's speech, actions, wh**ever so long as it doesnt impact others in a TANGIBLE negative way.
Proglibs want to control everything and everyone, even down to their thoughts.....


Same here.

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Sep 20, 2019 17:36:15   #
debeda
 
Tug484 wrote:
Same here.



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