We know for sure. We will attack (Page 2): They ALL make decisions as much for future campaigns as the benefit of the country. Hell, the l*****t democrats would love to see a...

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

DASHY wrote:

And that decision will be based on if it will help or hurt his e******n campaign. It has always been all about Trump and keeping his previous e******n promises. Trump has shown no other interest in dealing with the rest of the world. How wrong he was when he said "I alone can fix it."

They ALL make decisions as much for future campaigns as the benefit of the country. Hell, the l*****t democrats would love to see a recession take us before the next e******n or some other disaster just so they can use it against Trump in 2020.

That being said, I think Trump is different from that. He is the same now as he was when he first started campaigning. He campaigned on a consistent platform which really hasn't changed. And he has done quite a bit of what he said he would and is working on more.

As for dealing with the world, he certainly seems willing to engage with the rest of the world, not always to their liking, but he is engaged, none the less. For the most part, he is supported still by his original following and many of those who were on the middle ground of many issues related to the rest of the world. As for fixing it alone, well, he has come closer than all of his predecessors of recent years, that's for sure!

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Carol Kelly wrote:

They’re stupid, hung up on making the entire world bow to Muhammad. It may not be a war they can win, but an awful lot of people can be hurt and we can be pushed back to the dark ages. Put blame on Obama. He was well educated in pulling the wool over our eyes.

Oh yeah. 9/10's of the problems in the ME are a direct result of Obama's efforts.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Pariahjf wrote:

Who were actually working for the Mossad.

Who ya talking to??

Pariahjf

Actually, NOT. They are a direct result of Reagan's failed policies in the Middle East. After his e******n, he started removing civilian assets from the field (many who had been there for over 10 years) and replaced them with others. After having assets that those nations counted on to work with them, they had to start all over from scratch in the intelligence game. Our former allies felt that we had turned our backs on them, and they couldn't trust us anymore. That's what started the fallout. I was one of those replaced under Reagan's policies---I know.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Pariahjf wrote:

Actually, NOT. They are a direct result of Reagan... (show quote)

Well, then you probably also know that it goes back even further to the installation of the Shah on behalf of British Petroleum, over throwing a democratically elected Iranian leader to protect BP's interests in the region.

That being said, Reagan did some messing around, no doubt about it. However, Obama was the one who stirred the post the most in the period from Reagan, allowing ISIS to flourish. His Arab spring and turning a blind eye to the annihilation of the Coptic Christians set the tone; that and his phony "line in the sand."

DASHY

nwtk2007 wrote:

They ALL make decisions as much for future campaig... (show quote)

I hope he is working on the belief that future wars would hurt his chances of being reelected. Bill Maher is the only person who has said it outright: "I really do want a recession. We have survived many recessions. We can't survive another Donald Trump term." Do you believe Bill Maher represents the feelings of all democrats and most Americans? Trump followers are decreasing in numbers.

Pariahjf

ALL of the last five presidents were complicit---not just Obama.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Pariahjf wrote:

Actually, NOT. They are a direct result of Reagan... (show quote)

The day that Reagan was inaugurated, Iran immediately released the American hostages that they had imprisoned for 444 days.

Bill Clinton is the one who defanged the CIA. You can read all about it in "See No Evil" by Robert Baer.

In his explosive New York Times bestseller, top CIA operative Robert Baer paints a chilling picture of how terrorism works on the inside and provides startling evidence of how Washington politics sabotaged the CIA’s efforts to root out the world’s deadliest terrorists, allowing for the rise of Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda and the continued entrenchment of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

A veteran case officer in the CIA’s Directorate of Operations in the Middle East, Baer witnessed the rise of terrorism first hand and the CIA’s inadequate response to it, leading to the attacks of September 11, 2001. This riveting book is both an indictment of an agency that lost its way and an unprecedented look at the roots of modern terrorism, and includes a new afterword in which Baer speaks out about the American war on terrorism and its profound implications throughout the Middle East.

“Robert Baer was considered perhaps the best on-the-ground field
officer in the Middle East.”
–Seymour M. Hersh, The New Yorker

From The Preface

This book is a memoir of one foot soldier’s career in the other cold war, the one against terrorist networks. It’s a story about places most Americans will never travel to, about people many Americans would prefer to think we don’t need to do business with.

This memoir, I hope, will show the reader how spying is supposed to work, where the CIA lost its way, and how we can bring it back again. But I hope this book will accomplish one more purpose as well: I hope it will show why I am angry about what happened to the CIA. And I want to show why every American and everyone who cares about the preservation of this country should be angry and alarmed, too.

The CIA was systematically destroyed by political correctness, by petty Beltway wars, by careerism, and much more. At a time when terrorist threats were compounding globally, the agency that should have been monitoring them was being scrubbed clean instead. Americans were making too much money to bother. Life was good. The White House and the National Security Council became cathedrals of commerce where the interests of big business outweighed the interests of protecting American citizens at home and abroad. Defanged and dispirited, the CIA went along for the ride. And then on September 11, 2001, the reckoning for such vast carelessness was presented for all the world to see.

Pariahjf

T***H....

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

DASHY wrote:

I hope he is working on the belief that future wars would hurt his chances of being reelected. Bill Maher is the only person who has said it outright: "I really do want a recession. We have survived many recessions. We can't survive another Donald Trump term." Do you believe Bill Maher represents the feelings of all democrats and most Americans? Trump followers are decreasing in numbers.

Like I said, I don't think Trump thinks in terms of any future e******ns or at least he says he doesn't and his actions bear him out on that.

As for Maher, I've yet to hear any l*****ts disagree with him and ceertainly it is the perception of most of us on the right that the l*****ts are of that mindset.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Pariahjf wrote:

T***H....

Use the quote reply tab so we will know exactly who you are talking to.

woodguru

nwtk2007 wrote:

We knew Iran was behind the attack on the Saudi Oi... (show quote)

You just passed a great big pile of steaming horse manure, talking about things we know that you don't have a clue about, and Trump sure as hell does not know. He would attack on false pretenses and launch another coverup.

woodguru

Pariahjf wrote:

Actually, NOT. They are a direct result of Reagan... (show quote)

Insider views, the things nobody sees rarely seem to jive with the official alternative facts.

woodguru

nwtk2007 wrote:

We knew Iran was behind the attack on the Saudi Oi... (show quote)

And if we attack it needs to be after congress hears from pentagon and intelligence services and they make the call with the support of the american people.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

woodguru wrote:

You just passed a great big pile of steaming horse manure, talking about things we know that you don't have a clue about, and Trump sure as hell does not know. He would attack on false pretenses and launch another coverup.

LOL! I get that from time to time from those who simply do not know what I was. LOL! It's ok. You couldn't know so don't feel badly.

Are you saying we don't now know that the missiles came from a launch point in Iran? Do your best now woody, talk some of that laced up jargon. Tell us how we don't actually know what we know.