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Sep 11, 2019 06:17:38   #
Big Kahuna
 
TommyRadd wrote:
You l*****t murders have blood on your hands. When you can’t even find it in you to protect the most innocent who are born into your care... the time for your lying excuses is simply over. Your morality ratings register deep into negative figures...

“Nurse Found Baby Left to Die in After Surviving A******n, This “Suffering Child Was Dying All Alone” https://www.lifenews.com/2019/09/10/nurse-found-baby-left-to-die-in-after-surviving-a******n-this-suffering-child-was-dying-all-alone/

All your stupid little anti-Trump memes that you think are so cute and clever and effective... while they mask the blood that’s dripping on the ground, directly because of your collective “democratic socialism” choices... while your politicians promise “don’t worry, the babies will be kept comfortable until the mother and the hired henchman (for these aren’t real doctors they actually end up consulting) decide what is to be done...”

That blood dripping on the ground is on your hands, while you cry “choice, choice, choice” and babies die for the choice you demand...

“Republican members of Congress held a hearing today on the Born Alive bill that would provide medical care and treatment for babies who survive a******ns. During the hearing, nurse Jill Stanek talked about her experience discovering a baby who had survived an a******n procedure...
“Stanek was working in a hospital in Chicago at the time when she discovered the newborn infant left to die in a soiled utility room. She conveyed her experience during the testimony portion of the hearing today:
“When I heard Virginia Governor Ralph Northam, a pediatric neurologist, describe during an interview the process by which doctors determine to shelve unwanted newborns to die, it hit painfully home to me.”
“He said, quoting, “If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired.”
“Governor Northam was right. That is exactly what happens.
“I know because I cared for a dying baby who was on the other side of that decision. My experience was 20 years ago, but as Governor Northam made clear, it could have happened yesterday.
“I was a Registered Nurse at Christ Hospital in Illinois, when I learned it committed a******ns into the second and third trimesters. The procedure, called induced labor a******n,sometimes resulted in babies being aborted alive.In the event a baby was aborted alive, he or she received no medical assessments or care but was only given what my hospital called“comfort care”-made comfortable, as Governor Northam indicated...
“Christ Hospital readily admitted babies there survived a******ns. A spokesman told the Chicago Sun-Times (article submitted with testimony)“between 10 percent and 20 percent” of aborted babies “survive for short periods.”
From what I observed, it was not uncommon for a live aborted baby to linger for an hour or two or even longer. One a******n survivor I was aware of lived for almost eight hours.
“Of 16 babies Christ Hospital aborted during the year 2000, four that I knew of were aborted alive.
Each of those babies –two boys and two girls –lived between 1-1/2 and 3 hours.One baby was 28 weeks’ gestation –7 months old–and weighed two pounds, seven ounces.”

Talk about using the lord’s name in vain; “Christ Hospital”!???

While the blood of those babies across the country drips on the ground like so much road k**l, while you l*****ts chant, “choice, choice, choice...”

Yes, we see your choice. The Creator sees your choice.

Don’t even begin to tell us about your opinion of morals or right or wrong... you willingly sacrificed any semblance of moral ground with the babies you justified murdering for your sick, l*****t causes!

And you dare call us deplorable! It is a badge of honor considering the source.
You l*****t murders have blood on your hands. When... (show quote)


The demonic demonrat party supports policies that are similar to the Na$i' s during WW2. Babies were put in creamatoriums and some survived but those that survived would be murdered anyway. The demonrat party is no better than these murdering Na$i' s who h**ed with a vengence any one who did not believe in their demonic political ideology.

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Sep 11, 2019 07:18:41   #
Rose42
 
rumitoid wrote:
People who believe in a******n or choice, both Right or Left, did that not every democrat or liberal. That's vicious gossip. I do not believe in a******n and have posted threads and comments against it here. This propensity from both sides, and me included at times, to label each other with a broad brush will destroy this nation. Tommy, you are just being pulled along by the present political trend to demonize each other. Judge not, my friend.


Judge not? A favorite verse of non believers who don’t really know what it means.

The left owns this evil. Like it or not. You’ve railed against guns and said many stupid, groundless things about gun owners yet against a******n barely a peep. You have so many times demonized others and now since anger is aimed at the left you hypocritically say don’t demonize.

Your party owns this and other depravity. Too bad if you don’t like being confronted with it.

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Sep 11, 2019 08:30:17   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
Rose42 wrote:
Judge not? A favorite verse of non believers who don’t really know what it means.

The left owns this evil. Like it or not. You’ve railed against guns and said many stupid, groundless things about gun owners yet against a******n barely a peep. You have so many times demonized others and now since anger is aimed at the left you hypocritically say don’t demonize.

Your party owns this and other depravity. Too bad if you don’t like being confronted with it.



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Sep 11, 2019 09:51:17   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
marinevet73 wrote:
I personally am against a******n, but I do believe that a woman has a right to choose. The problem that I see is not that the woman is the one stuck with the problem, but a solution has to include the man who helped create the fetus.

I am also a Catholic, and I remember when Vatican I (or II) v**ed to make a******n a mortal sin. I always wondered how many Cardinals had paid their mistresses to have an a******n of the fetus that they helped to create. Personally, I'm betting about half.

If you can figure out a way to make the man pay for the problem of not allowing an a******n, then I think that you may have solved the problem. To lay the problem of a******ns at only the feet of the women who are getting the a******n completely misses the issue. WOMEN HAVE A RIGHT TO CHOOSE, just as the man has a right to walk away from his creation. When the man is saddled with the raising of his offspring just as the woman is, then, and only then, should we outlaw a******n. Until then, A WOMAN HAS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
I personally am against a******n, but I do believe... (show quote)


If you believe that a fetus is a human life, as I do then you don't have the right (or shouldn't) to decide who lives or dies. Exactly why this subject is so volatile. I agree with making the man pay for any child he helps bring into the world. Unfortunately I have seen way to many men who know how to buck their child support obligations. Always seem to pay just enough to stay out of jail.

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Sep 11, 2019 09:55:45   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
rumitoid wrote:
To stop the k*****g of innocents with a civil war that most definitely will k**l many innocent lives and maybe lead to a global conflict, is a poor choice. Your daughter, and you included, may die.



How long does this slaughter have to go on before the pro-choicers, including Kevyn & PeterS & other liberals on OPP, face the fact that the fetus is far more than a blob of tissue to be flushed down a toilet?

Historically, clashes of rights have always resulted in the bloodiest of conflicts. Our secession from the Crown, the attempted secession of The Confederacy and the Civil Rights movement. The right-to-life battle is likely the next one.


Pro-lifers see a******n as wholesale slaughter. Science is increasingly on their side. It was noted to be considered ‘tantamount to murder’ when then Sen. Al Gore spoke against federal funding for Planned Parenthood, but then later he saw the light.


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Sep 11, 2019 10:05:48   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
marinevet73 wrote:
I personally am against a******n, but I do believe that a woman has a right to choose. The problem that I see is not that the woman is the one stuck with the problem, but a solution has to include the man who helped create the fetus.

I am also a Catholic, and I remember when Vatican I (or II) v**ed to make a******n a mortal sin. I always wondered how many Cardinals had paid their mistresses to have an a******n of the fetus that they helped to create. Personally, I'm betting about half.

If you can figure out a way to make the man pay for the problem of not allowing an a******n, then I think that you may have solved the problem. To lay the problem of a******ns at only the feet of the women who are getting the a******n completely misses the issue. WOMEN HAVE A RIGHT TO CHOOSE, just as the man has a right to walk away from his creation. When the man is saddled with the raising of his offspring just as the woman is, then, and only then, should we outlaw a******n. Until then, A WOMAN HAS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
I personally am against a******n, but I do believe... (show quote)




No matter how many cardinals may have had their mistresses have a******ns (and I think it will be far less that 50%), it doesn't make it right. If a cop murders or rapes, that doesn't make it right.

As far as you being 'personally … against a******n, but... (believing) that a woman has a right to choose,' that is one of the most mealy-mouthed sell outs I've ever encountered. Would you be personally against discrimination in employment or renting but think it was the prerogative of the employer or landlord to discriminate.

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Sep 11, 2019 10:30:19   #
JoyV
 
teabag09 wrote:
My Granddaughter was 2lbs 8oz. She fit entirely in my hand. Her hands together weren't as big as my thumb nail. She spent two weeks in an incubator and more weeks in intensive care. Most people don't understand just how hard a new born fights for life.

I H**E these MFers who support this FKed up way of thinking. Maybe it's time for the civil war and let's get this s**t hashed out. MIKE!!!


I agree with you. I was born nearly 2 months premature. I weighed under 4 pounds. This was in the 50s when the technology we have today for helping premature babies didn't exist. I was put in an oxygen incubator and provided the care available in an average city hospital at the time; And my family told I wouldn't make it. Against the odds, I survived. There are many late term a******ns done when the baby is even older than I was, yet a friend of mine who is pro choice insists that even at 8 and a half months it is just a mass of cells. Well aren't we all?!

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Sep 11, 2019 10:35:08   #
JoyV
 
marinevet73 wrote:
I personally am against a******n, but I do believe that a woman has a right to choose. The problem that I see is not that the woman is the one stuck with the problem, but a solution has to include the man who helped create the fetus.

I am also a Catholic, and I remember when Vatican I (or II) v**ed to make a******n a mortal sin. I always wondered how many Cardinals had paid their mistresses to have an a******n of the fetus that they helped to create. Personally, I'm betting about half.

If you can figure out a way to make the man pay for the problem of not allowing an a******n, then I think that you may have solved the problem. To lay the problem of a******ns at only the feet of the women who are getting the a******n completely misses the issue. WOMEN HAVE A RIGHT TO CHOOSE, just as the man has a right to walk away from his creation. When the man is saddled with the raising of his offspring just as the woman is, then, and only then, should we outlaw a******n. Until then, A WOMAN HAS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
I personally am against a******n, but I do believe... (show quote)


Only rape victims did not get the right to choose. What the pro choice people want is the right to take back their choice regardless of the life of the one who was never given a choice in the first place. 1st they choose to start a life, then they want to change their mind and to end another human being's life.

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Sep 11, 2019 12:38:28   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
JoyV wrote:
Only rape victims did not get the right to choose. What the pro choice people want is the right to take back their choice regardless of the life of the one who was never given a choice in the first place. 1st they choose to start a life, then they want to change their mind and to end another human being's life.


I notice all the people for a******n have already been born.

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Sep 11, 2019 13:32:31   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
You agree that the civil war stopped s***ery? Today the Mexican cartels bring the sex s***e trade to America yet the Progressives are more interested in defeating any efforts Trump desires to stop illegal border crossings. Furthermore, I believe the loss of life during the civil war was 400,000+. The k*****g of unborn children is already 60,000,000+. Now tell me how every life is sacred! Yet you birds justify a******n as a woman's right. I'm confident that only people with a deformed conscience can come to that conclusion. No doubt that they accept other evils as "rights" primarily because they are confused between right and wrong..

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Sep 11, 2019 16:12:15   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
teabag09 wrote:
My Granddaughter was 2lbs 8oz. She fit entirely in my hand. Her hands together weren't as big as my thumb nail. She spent two weeks in an incubator and more weeks in intensive care. Most people don't understand just how hard a new born fights for life.

I H**E these MFers who support this FKed up way of thinking. Maybe it's time for the civil war and let's get this s**t hashed out. MIKE!!!


Mike, since 2016 we've been in a civil war without a shot being fired. I've very often wanted obewith live rounds too. Most people simply aren't up to the challenge. As I see it only veterans will fire first rather than just defensively. Why? That is why we are still alive and can be called veterans.

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Sep 11, 2019 16:23:42   #
Tug484
 
Rose42 wrote:
Judge not? A favorite verse of non believers who don’t really know what it means.

The left owns this evil. Like it or not. You’ve railed against guns and said many stupid, groundless things about gun owners yet against a******n barely a peep. You have so many times demonized others and now since anger is aimed at the left you hypocritically say don’t demonize.

Your party owns this and other depravity. Too bad if you don’t like being confronted with it.

For a country that has 319 million guns owned by the people, you'd think there would be more shooting.
Not every gun owner is wired to go off that way .

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Sep 11, 2019 17:26:22   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
How long does this slaughter have to go on before the pro-choicers, including Kevyn & PeterS & other liberals on OPP, face the fact that the fetus is far more than a blob of tissue to be flushed down a toilet?

Historically, clashes of rights have always resulted in the bloodiest of conflicts. Our secession from the Crown, the attempted secession of The Confederacy and the Civil Rights movement. The right-to-life battle is likely the next one.


Pro-lifers see a******n as wholesale slaughter. Science is increasingly on their side. It was noted to be considered ‘tantamount to murder’ when then Sen. Al Gore spoke against federal funding for Planned Parenthood, but then later he saw the light.

How long does this slaughter have to go on before ... (show quote)


He saw the light when his party pushed all his buttons and made him change his position stay in line or else

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Sep 11, 2019 19:58:29   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
rumitoid wrote:
Repeal a******n. With a few exceptions.


There is actually a pretty simple solution in my mind.

Consider a******n as homicide, which it is. And then, just as with any other type of taking a human life, there is a category called “justifiable homicide.”

Intentionally k*****g someone for no other reason than that person is an inconvenience is premeditated (first degree) murder.

Intentionally k*****g someone, but not planned, is second degree murder.

And so on. And then there is:

“justifiable homicide. n. a k*****g without evil or criminal intent, for which there can be no blame, such as self-defense to protect oneself or to protect another, or the shooting by a law enforcement officer in fulfilling his/her duties.”

So we already have the legal instrument that would absolve someone for taking the life of an unborn human being when the mother’s life is endangered.


In the case of rape, I know of no other “crime” where an innocent party is condemned to death for no fault of their own. The very suggestion reveals the fact that whoever would suggest such a thing does NOT consider the unborn human a human life. Imagine that being okay with the life of a two year old. That is, in fact, the thinking of l*****ts that caused me to post this topic: that l*****ts are perfectly willing to murder human beings without any remorse, whether in the womb, or out of the womb, and what is the difference between an hour old baby and a two year old, morally speaking?

Whether k*****g an unborn child is a “justifiable” homicide or not, I, personally, would say no, and I believe most Christians would agree. But I would feel a lot better if at least the case, if it couldn’t clearly be categorized as justifiable homicide, had to be tried individually in a court of law, tried by a jury of peers, like our legal system was designed to handle such social injustices people inflict on others.

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Sep 11, 2019 22:32:42   #
Ricktloml
 
marinevet73 wrote:
I personally am against a******n, but I do believe that a woman has a right to choose. The problem that I see is not that the woman is the one stuck with the problem, but a solution has to include the man who helped create the fetus.

I am also a Catholic, and I remember when Vatican I (or II) v**ed to make a******n a mortal sin. I always wondered how many Cardinals had paid their mistresses to have an a******n of the fetus that they helped to create. Personally, I'm betting about half.

If you can figure out a way to make the man pay for the problem of not allowing an a******n, then I think that you may have solved the problem. To lay the problem of a******ns at only the feet of the women who are getting the a******n completely misses the issue. WOMEN HAVE A RIGHT TO CHOOSE, just as the man has a right to walk away from his creation. When the man is saddled with the raising of his offspring just as the woman is, then, and only then, should we outlaw a******n. Until then, A WOMAN HAS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
I personally am against a******n, but I do believe... (show quote)



I'm sorry, but I cannot disagree more. NO ONE has the "right" to arbitrarily decide if a baby gets to live or die. The fact that there are worthless men who abandon their responsibilities does not give any woman the "right" to murder a baby for lack of support. While the original post was presented from a God based point of view, you don't have to be religious to oppose a******n, (full disclosure, I am a devout Christian,) you merely have to be civilized. A******n is one of the most savage, barbaric acts that one human being can commit against another, (and that other is the most innocent, helpless, defenseless human being there is.) It is "legal" in America for a woman to k**l her own child through a******n, however IMHO there is NOTHING "right" about a******n. Both the 'doctor' and the woman, along with a corrupted society are to blame for this a*********n, which has resulted in more than 60 MILLION dead babies.

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